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[Daingurse]

Do you even have another system but the Wii U?
Ive never seen you in any non Nintendo thread.

He has a gaming rig aswell.

 

[krypt0nian]

How? It's the best.

First Party Nintendo games > generic FPS. The vast majority of the rest can be had better on PC. And Bayo 2 > Any Xbox One or PS4 game.

The PS4 and One are underpowered and overpriced. $60/year paywall for online multi is indefensible. And inferior multiplats to PC - objectively. Mods + framerates + free online + better graphics/framerate + cheaper games themselves + better controls (fps)/more control options etc...

I giggled all through this post. It's like he doesn't understand preferences.

 

[Dimmle]

I hear you, OP. Where is Nester's Funky Bowling 2?

 

[orthodoxy1095]

How? It's the best.

First Party Nintendo games > generic FPS. The vast majority of the rest can be had better on PC. And Bayo 2 > Any Xbox One or PS4 game.

The PS4 and One are underpowered and overpriced. $60/year paywall for online multi is indefensible. And inferior multiplats to PC - objectively. Mods + framerates + free online + better graphics/framerate + cheaper games themselves + better controls (fps)/more control options etc...

What the hell does this mean? Why do people need to go back to this stupid, bullshit "generic FPS" meme? Who even ever said that "generic FPS > first party Nintendo games"? Good God, stoppit.

And of course the Bayo2 remark is just a matter of preference.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

He has a gaming rig aswell.

Well then I can't hate he is master race after all.

I hear you, OP. Where is Nester's Funky Bowling 2?

Haha hell yeah.

 

[m0t0k1]

Its been a bit hit and miss for me lately loved the 1st year wiiu and the games it had to offer but the second year has been pretty lacklustre. Guess i really miss the quirky Japanese third party support although those also aren't really on ps4 or one yet.

 

[Mr Moose]

I love the Mario Kart games (had some of the previous ones) and I would love to try Bayonetta 2, but not enough to buy a Wii U for them There's not enough games that interest me on it. (I might try to get one of my family to get one so I can play Mario Kart...).

I feel the same way about PS4 and Xbox One OP. I dont need to make a thread about it.

You have a PS4 and an Xbox One?

 

[……forgetit]

I don't think I said I expected a Starfox or F Zero but I did expect one. Either SMG3 or Metroid which is completely reasonable.

I'll agree 3D world was out of left field and a similar game to galaxy would be nice, but honestly I never expected a metroid to come, Nintendo are weird that way. You can expect Mario, Zelda, Mario kart, and smash, but outside of those it's always a crap shoot. Hell metroid sat out a whole generation before it got revived, and after the Other M fiasco I kind of assumed it would take a break.

 

[Sadist]

Cod 1 - 91
Cod 2 - 89
Cod 4 - 94
Cod WaW - 85
Cod Mw2 - 94
Cod Mw3 - 88
Cod BO - 88
...

Everyone Buy a PC, Im sure the next CoD Will be awesome !

People believe what they want, and they see only what they want to. I wonder how many of you would cover for Xbox if 5/10 were Halo related games, and PS4 Uncharted games.
Wii U didnt save Bayonetta, actually the reverse.

My advice remains the same man, ease up on the rambling. I have no idea what your argument is right now.

The one thing I take away about your posts is that somehow Nintendo offers only one thing on their system and somehow you'd be a fool to defend this. Better yet, you're just playing becuz nostalgia! Which is basicly a shortsighted view.

 

[Your Entertainer]

I giggled all through this post. It's like he doesn't understand preferences.

I was employing hyperbole, but a couple of points I think ring true.

The fact is that so many PS4/One titles can be had on PC, but objectively better (and that gap will only grow). Like I also said, $60/year to play online multi, especially given devs' focusing their efforts on online portions of games, is nuts.

I prefer getting my Nintendo fix with a Wii U, then getting the rest (but better), on a PC.

 

[Arc Christelle]

You have a PS4 and an Xbox One?

Should he own one if he's not interested?

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

The games are objectively well made and reviewed very well.

I'm not sure you quite understand what objectivity is.

Here's a hint: The fact that reviews exist for it where opinions are expressed regarding its quality eliminates it from being called "objectively" anything (other than "it exists").

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

I don't think I said I expected a Starfox or F Zero but I did expect one. Either SMG3 or Metroid which is completely reasonable.

So of the four series you listed in the OP as being the only games you want, you are presumably very satisfied that one is out and another two are expected to be released next year?

 

[nomorenick]

Big problem with the WiiU for me is that it is not capable of standing on it's own like the other consoles. I don't know of anyone that owns a WiiU but does not own another console or a gaming pc. It just doesn't happen. People buy their WiiUs as a secondary console, not primary. Nintendo needs to change that. I have no idea how though. People just want more than what Nintendo offers.

 

[Astral Dog]

7/10 threads involving the Wii U is praise threads over 1 game (most recently the all mighty Bayonetta 2), and when Bayonetta 2 was announced exclusive, it was fine and "the console needs this", but when Tomb Raider was exclusive OMG, HELL !

The ramaining games are either best experienced elsewhere, or are indeed mostly passable. Some posts above, you will find a list, out of that list around half are Mario games. I guess its impossible to discuss this with the fans. Almost every thread when PS4/Xbone was released were about how the system is outdated on launch, same happened with Wii U, but in the Wii U case everyone says "Wii U doesnt need blah blah blah", why doesnt it need and the other systems do ?

This whole system is sustained by 4 or 5 OLD franchises, theres nothing new coming out of it, and if 3rd parties leave, what will sustain the system ? If you're gonna keep buying Mario Kart 100 because they added 10 new tracks and 15 new characters, do it, if you enjoy, good ! But that doesnt mean its a good system.

I wonder how many of you would protect the competition if they made the same thing.

Are you joking!? where you here when Bayonetta 2 was announced? shit that is exactly the contrary of what happened, and Nintendo funded and published Bayonetta 2, Tomb Raider was going to be made anyways.

People want them because they are quality, polished games on liked franchises, there is new, but rarely anybody mentions it because they are niche (Wonderful 101, Zombi U,Bayonetta 2, Monolith X, Devils Third, Splatoon)

 

[CentroXer]

I agree with the OP and I applaud him for having the guts telling how it is.

I have a Wii U as well, but it is my least played Nintendo console ever. The gamecube had loads of 3rd party games I wanted to play but with the Wii U it's a 1st party console. I am interested in Zelda and Xenoblade, but they're very far away.

 

[Always-honest]

Being a PC gamer I have a hard time even comprehending how anyone wouldn't gravitate towards Nintendo for their console fix.

The other 2 new gen platforms are little more than outdated/mid to low teir PCs with exclusive libraries that tend to be inferior to their multiplat competitors, and have multiplats that fail to live up to their PC counterparts. At the very least Nintendo offers games that don't have a direct comparison on other platforms. The other new gen platforms also continue to operate paywalls over services that have no additional cost on PC or the Wii U, so even any possible financial advantages wear increasing thin to nonexistent over time.

The only reason I almost get is the case where users are still K-12 and want to game with their peer groups, and don't necessarily have the skill set or financial opportunity to PC game.

Pretty condescending post.

 

[krypt0nian]

I was employing hyperbole, but a couple of points I think ring true.

The fact is that so many PS4/One titles can be had on PC, but objectively better (and that gap will only grow). Like I also said, $60/year to play online multi, especially given devs' focusing their efforts on online portions of games, is nuts.

I prefer getting my Nintendo fix with a Wii U, then getting the rest (but better), on a PC.

And you can prefer what you like. Makes no difference to others.

 

[Mr Moose]

Should he own one if he's not interested?

The OP owns a Wii U, does he not?

 

[schuelma]

I agree with the OP and I applaud him for having the guts telling how it is.
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Yeah, a lot of bravery and intestinal fortitude to speak truth to power. Really difficult environment now days to criticize Nintendo. They are really on top of the world.

 

[TwilightPrincess]

How? It's the best.

First Party Nintendo games > generic FPS. The vast majority of the rest can be had better on PC. And Bayo 2 > Any Xbox One or PS4 game.

The PS4 and One are underpowered and overpriced. $60/year paywall for online multi is indefensible. And inferior multiplats to PC - objectively. Mods + framerates + free online + better graphics/framerate + cheaper games themselves + better controls (fps)/more control options etc...

This. 3DS+WiiU+PC is the best combo. I will buy a PS3 in the next weeks to play the Tales of Games and sell it after that. No need for a PS4 or even Xbone at the moment cause they are driven only by 3rd party games which i can get cheaper and better on pc.

 

[Your Entertainer]

Pretty condescending post.

Who cares? Besides the preference (liking Nintendo first party or not), what he's saying is true.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

$60/year to play online multi, especially given devs' focusing their efforts on online portions of games, is nuts.

$60 to access multiplayer is nuts? Why? It comes with benefits (downloadable games) and can be found for $30-40 on sale easily.

Your post wasn't just hyperbole, it was ridiculous. You compared things no one is comparing.

 

[nomorenick]

I'm not sure you quite understand what objectivity is.

Here's a hint: The fact that reviews exist for it where opinions are expressed regarding its quality eliminates it from being called "objectively" anything.

There is a place for objectivity in games. You can not like a game but argue that the game is objectively well made. Most of Nintendo's games fall into this category. You can't argue that they are not well made, for the most part. Wether or not it resonates with you is a whole other issue.

 

[MisterHero]

Thanks for telling NeoGAF how much you don't care.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

So of the four series you listed in the OP as being the only games you want, you are presumably very satisfied that one is out and another two are expected to be released next year?

I was actually very happy with it at launch. Then remember how we all thought for sure we were seeing either SMG3, Metroid or Zelda at that following E3 and ummmm yeah.

Zelda being shown at this last E3 was huge for me. It looks amazing and its my most anticipated game. I am keeping the system for that game.

 

[JimiNutz]

Nintendo do def need to do more with their other IP.
So many of their games are set in the Mario universe (or star Mario).

Glad we're getting Splatoon and can't wait for Star Fox. Now just need to something from Metroid and F-Zero.

 

[The Horror the horror]

OP,

Slightly off topic, but I clicked on your tag for the first time, and good lord....that was an epic official post.

Anyway, I suspect the Wii U will produce the type of games you prefer, judging from the release schedule. I think it's a matter of timing, but I think your opinion will change completely by the end of next year.

 

[Arc Christelle]

Big problem with the WiiU for me is that it is not capable of standing on it's own like the other consoles. I don't know of anyone that owns a WiiU but does not own another console or a gaming pc. It just doesn't happen. People buy their WiiUs as a secondary console, not primary. Nintendo needs to change that. I have no idea how though. People just want more than what Nintendo offers.

Ironically despite my pc, I kinda see my Wii U as primary. I've gotten to the point where I just feel like people should have Steam by default. The WiiU's doing pretty well tho. Maybe not sales wise, but I'm satisfied with the content and consistent updates.

 

[Your Entertainer]

$60 to access multiplayer is nuts? Why? It comes with benefits (downloadable games) and can be found for $30-40 on sale easily.

Your post wasn't just hyperbole, it was ridiculous. You compared things no one is comparing.

What justifies charging for access to online multiplayer itself?

 

[TheMoon]

Cod 1 - 91
Cod 2 - 89
Cod 4 - 94
Cod WaW - 85
Cod Mw2 - 94
Cod Mw3 - 88
Cod BO - 88
...

Everyone Buy a PC, Im sure the next CoD Will be awesome !

People believe what they want, and they see only what they want to. I wonder how many of you would cover for Xbox if 5/10 were Halo related games, and PS4 Uncharted games.
Wii U didnt save Bayonetta, actually the reverse.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

OP,

Slightly off topic, but I clicked on your tag for the first time, and good lord....that was an epic official post.

Anyway, I suspect the Wii U will produce the type of games you prefer, judging from the release schedule. I think it's a matter of timing, but I think your opinion will change completely by the end of next year.

Honestly I expect it will. I know X Chronicles will be amazing as will Zelda and SMG3 (See we all know its coming right?)

I'm merely commenting on its current state. Like I said I'm definitely not selling it.

 

[Astral Dog]

Well Zelda is doing something new, as far as the open world thing goes. And it just looks amazing. I also love the Zelda theme. It is a IP I love.

I never played Xenoblade, and Xenoblade X also looks amazing. Also love JRPGs

Im not saying I will never play a sequel again, and I also said Im sure those games are great (Kart, Smask, DK....etc) I just cant get into them anymore is all.

Im not sure if they have been mentioned,but what about Splatoon, Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Zombi U, Devils Third,Sonic lost world, Hyrule Warriors?

you should try some the demos at least, Pikmin is the third sequel since the gamecube, and Smash Brothers is only once for generation, im sure you will find them fun.

 

[Daingurse]

You can't be serious.

It is a pretty tiring narrative. Just state that you tire of the same cast of characters, aesthetics, or franchises, basically anything that makes more sense than that old horseshit.

I simply see it used as some sort of shorthand for something, because it's not really accurate. Even I can see that the core Mario games are different on each platform.

 

[nomorenick]

Ironically despite my pc, I kinda see my Wii U as primary. I've gotten to the point where I just feel like people should have Steam by default. The WiiU's doing pretty well tho. Maybe not sales wise, but I'm satisfied with the content and consistent updates.

That's interesting way to see it. I certainly agree with Steam being a default though. I just can't see anybody that's serious about gaming only own a WiiU. I can see it being the case for a PS4 or an XBOX ONE however.

 

[Kodaman]

You don't like certain games, that's fine. Buy one when the games arive that you do like.
Not sure why this is a topic.. To be honest.

Wii U was getting too much praise. World order needed to be restablished

I agree with the OP and I applaud him for having the guts telling how it is.

not sure if serious...

 

[SSReborn]

I agree, the Last of Us is amazing and the best game Sony released this year (although one could argue the effort 343 put in the Halo 2 remaster outshines it and there's 3 other games ported there too). Infamous is also a great game (though personally I felt alignment choices didn't feel impactful compared to 1 and 2 and it felt unfinished, the last power had less animations and no super attack that the others had).

I'm not saying MS and Sony haven't released great games this year, they have, I love TLOU, I love Killer Instinct for instance I just feel they haven't done enough, especially Sony.

Well hopefully it'll get better next year for everyone(it's already looking that way) I mean that's how first years usually are. Wasn't wii u in this same position back when it launched before hitting it's stride?

 

[OmegaDL50]

This doesn't help me at all, what's your point?

It doesn't seem he has much of one.

I very much doubt any one can rightly criticize Nintendo with a straight face in claiming they release the same thing over and over and say this doesn't rightly apply to Sony or Microsoft or most of the major 3rd party publishers just the same.

If we look at any title such as Uncharted, inFamous, Forza, Gran Turismo, Halo, Assassin's Creed, CoD, Battlefield, FarCry, and several other series that have major presence on the Sony or Microsoft's consoles.

Each of these games do not deviate much from their previous installment, except by adding new aspects and mechanics in sequels or newer installments (Hey! this happens in Nintendo games too, imagine that!)

Just the same you have the occasional original release like DriveClub, Sunset Overdrive, or Shadow of Mordor.

Nintendo just the same has original releases that deviate from the typical formula as well (Splatoon, Capt. Toad, Hyrule Warriors)

It is a pretty tiring narrative. Just state that you tire of the same cast of characters, aesthetics, or franchises, basically anything that makes more sense than that old horseshit.

I simply see it used as some sort of shorthand for something, because it's not really accurate. Even I can see that the core Mario games are different on each platform.

You said the same thing I basically said but shorter but making more sense.

 

[chadboban]

I never once tried to attribute peoples enjoyment of the system as a deficiency on their part or something that I thought was questionable on account of taste. I merely presented a opinion from someone that has grown up on Nintendo games and buys Nintendo systems for Nintendo games that doesn't feel the same way.



I hope I dont sound pissy. I have tried to avoid several things in life and one of them was definitely for no one to describe my behavior as pissy.

No no man, that wasn't directed at you, just the general vibe I tend to get folks who post in threads like this. It almost always ends up as people trying to tear down one system or the other. Just getting kinda sick of that kind of behavior, that's all.

 

[Extra Sauce]

You should give me your Wii U OP. I'll make much better use of it.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

OP,

Slightly off topic, but I clicked on your tag for the first time, and good lord....that was an epic official post.

Anyway, I suspect the Wii U will produce the type of games you prefer, judging from the release schedule. I think it's a matter of timing, but I think your opinion will change completely by the end of next year.

Ha thanks. On a side point I don't know what it says about that series where even after becoming a walking wikipedia for MGS I still had no idea what was going on in 4.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

There is a place for objectivity in games. You can not like a game but argue that the game is objectively well made. Most of Nintendo's games fall into this category. You can't argue that they are not well made, for the most part. Wether or not it resonates with you is a whole other issue.

Look up the definition of objectivity. If you have to argue it, it's not objective.

 

[cheesekao]

I agree with the thread title but for different reasons.

I tried out several Nintendo games for the WiiU and while the games are fun, I can only play them in short bursts as I got easily bored of them. I used to spend ungodly amounts of time on my gameboy advance but for some reason, Nintendo games simply don't appeal to me anymore as I grew older. As for non-Nintendo games, W101 seems interesting whereas I hated Bayo1 so I doubt Bayo2 is gonna change my mind if its mechanics more or less the same. The number of third party offerings are also pretty terrible.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Pretty condescending post.

To who? Sony and Microsoft? Who is he going to offend here by saying that?

 

[Astral Dog]

Cod 1 - 91
Cod 2 - 89
Cod 4 - 94
Cod WaW - 85
Cod Mw2 - 94
Cod Mw3 - 88
Cod BO - 88
...

Everyone Buy a PC, Im sure the next CoD Will be awesome !

People believe what they want, and they see only what they want to. I wonder how many of you would cover for Xbox if 5/10 were Halo related games, and PS4 Uncharted games.
Wii U didnt save Bayonetta, actually the reverse.

Bayonetta 2 was throw to the trash by SEGA and other publishers, Nintendo gave it a second chance and bundled the first with it, its not a "commercially viable" franchise.

 

[Verendus]

I'm not sure which audience Nintendo was targeting with the Wii U, but I'm sure it wasn't anyone from the human race. Maybe penguins since I know they're amused by doing nothing. So with that in mind, I can definitely understand your opinion Bruce. It makes complete sense to me.

 

[pinkurocket]

^ cool name tag

I get the only gaming fix I need from Wii U + some minor PC gaming. I see potential in the PS4 but I wouldn't purchase one for at least another year, probably at least two years. It's a console that will no doubt have a good future with titles considering it's popularity. Nintendo however has the games I want to play now. And their library will only improve. Personal preference blah blah. Why does Wii U in particular always get these kinds of threads that are such polar opposites by different individuals?

 

[Krustentier7]

Thats ok.

I don´t give a flying fuck about all the western AAA games on the PS4/XBone and absolutely love the games you mentioned in your "don´t care for" section, so both are incredibly undesirable for me right now.

Which is absolutely fine.

.

 

[Wreck-It Ralph]

I don't understand how somebody could not like Tropical Freeze. It's just so good, man. I can't think of a single bad thing to say about it.

 

[evilromero]

I agree it hasn't been as impressive as the Wii:

-fewer exclusive must-have games
-poor third party support (No Boom Blox, Deadly Creatures, Zak & Wiki stuff)
-painfully clunky and slow OS
-Netflix app just sucks bad
-The Wii pad has a shitty battery, crap range
-The VC is very shitty compared to Wii's

But it's my most played system this gen and we love it.

I will say I turned on the Wii for the first time in two years and wow- the OS is super snappy and fast. It's actually far more intuitive than Wii U's. You can get in and out of games and apps really quickly. Oh, and the Netflix app kicks ass here too. The Wii Shop is also faster than the Wii U eShop. For those of you with a Wii I recommend checking it out again. It kinda bummed me out because the Wii U's is so slow in comparison.