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Did we learn something new about the system, because after reading this I'm confused.
Smiles and Cries
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I did not believe there could be anything worst Retro could waste time and resources on than to be working on Star Fox
but THIS
THIS is insane, Star Wars is a dead thing...
Smiles and Cries
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no one in these threads in the know what been willing to accept 5x more than 360
it has been talked to death though, no one really knows but everyone here expects this thing to be weakest among the next consoles because it is not a "true leap" forward
meh... this is why I wish we knew even less so at least I would feel some hope of Nintendo pushing this thing
Main reason to go for tech is to ensure that it doesn't become a limiter, my hope is that whatever they go with is enough for most devs. I'm not too worried about the GPU since stuff can generally be scaled down for performance there*, but stuff like RAM or CPU might be an issue with the more complex stuff like AI and physics or something...but I'm not sure how many devs will even push that.
*I'm hoping MS/Sony require 1080p (and/or 3D) cause the requirement for that over 720p is 2.25x the pixels, almost 3x for 640p (like some 360/PS3 games ran in).
Endless Excite Steel Wave Race
Smiles and Cries
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was it not Miyamoto that started this Retro Zelda madness in the first place by saying Retro could be a good choice for it?
He certainly added fuel to the fire, yes
nintendors
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This is.................REALLY A GREAT IDEA !!! I APPROVE !!!
Freezie KO
Banned
Chris Nolan already made this.
Smiles and Cries
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fans have made it impossible for Nintendo not to talk about Zelda
I really don't want to hear about another Zelda anytime soon we won't see HD Zelda until 2014 if not later so teasing it now is cruel
but because of the fans they are going to be forced to give us a bullshit trailer about that the theme of the next one will be like
I really don't want to hear about another Zelda anytime soon we won't see HD Zelda until 2014 if not later so teasing it now is cruel
but because of the fans they are going to be forced to give us a bullshit trailer about that the theme of the next one will be like
I'm kinda glad that expectations are low (or more realistic) around here. Fewer Nintendo fans are going to be banned from meltdowns when the final verdict is rendered in about 609 hours; we've already lost too many.
I'm also very relieved that Nintendo hasn't been baited into Microsoft's very deadly e-peen measuring game. Nintendo doesn't have the luxury of essentially buying/moneyhatting their way into the industry, and thankfully, they realize this. We might be seeing how that path works out for Sony at some point in the future.
I know one thing.. we've waited a long time for HD Nintendo games. The jump from GameCube to Wii U is going to be a real treat.
Smiles and Cries
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HT night shift or insomnia?
I hear ya and agree with the sentiment. I think I said it a few weeks back but this arse tight secrecy just can't have a payoff of big enough value as far as I'm concerned. I guess some here are really looking forward to some secret Nintendo IP ressurection but for me, all games I can think of that I'd want on Wii U, I already expect to be coming (Primarily third party). If Nintendo hit us with some sort of big power boost from what we expected I might be surprised but at this point it would have to be something monumental to blow me away and I just can't think of anything monumental.
I guess by showing nothing, I am assuming they're thinking that things we consider meh are "megatons" in their book so I'm preparing for some nice and interesting things but that's it.
I'll still be up at 4am though!
Smiles and Cries
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the problem is we have spoiled Nintendo into thinking everything they say to use is Megaton
they could have called Nintendo Direct "Megaton Time" as to how much we hype ourselves up for them now...
I need a coma until the 5th
they could have called Nintendo Direct "Megaton Time" as to how much we hype ourselves up for them now...
I need a coma until the 5th
Smiles and Cries
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A bit of both. I got called in about two hours ago for a stroke activation.. 35 years old, and he really was having a stroke. Scary. Too young. But we caught it early, so... good.
I've taken all of the call this month so that I'm free in June. About a week before E3, I'll start working towards getting onto a nighttime sleeping schedule.
Ubisoft is just sloppy. They tried to cover it up real quickly but by then we had already seen everything.
The other I don't want to be cynical but I kinda seeming like a ploy to get support. They have announced they dont have the cash to finish the title and are doing a kickstarter. Might be trying to get future Wii U owners to chip in to make sure it happens
This is silly. Their Nintendo Direct streams are deliberate means towards avoiding this hype, they announce it the day before and specifically say it's about releases in the near future. People are just dumb and hype everything up.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=473643
I suppose that makes sense, I was just surprised when I checked for updates today and saw that two games had been 'confirmed'.
And yeah, the Avengers one was probably unintentional, I think someone in the thread said that the official site doesn't mention Wii U at all, though I don't know that myself.
I have mixed feelings about this kickstarter thing. It could be an incredible way to get third parties who are leery of a Nintendo platform to reduce the risk of undertaking a project for that platform. But for those paying in, there's little guarantee that the end product will fit their wishes.
Still, I'd be willing to kick in a chunk of money for my thief/stealth/1920s/European capital cities AAA masterpiece idea.
I wish there were a way to vote on what game a third party works on next.
Yeah initially it all said Wii U then they quickly changed stuff. Really the biggest implication of this is the platforms. Its being touted as a Kinect title for 360. They could of course totally redesign it for the Wii U but that doesn't seem likely so does that then imply kinect like functionality.
I was curious about the platforms as well, I think it most likely means that the Wii U version will be using the Wii remote + Nunchuck as the primary control scheme, guess we'll see at E3.
Looking at NPD data tonight, and I have to wonder how long MS and Sony are going to give Nintendo "alone" on the market with the U. More and more, folks seem bored of this generation, even though, to me, it seems more like a "we-want-more-new-game-releases" thing rather than a "we-need-more-polygons" thing. Nintendo could snag some on-the-fence buyers if the others decide to wait.
I read here and there that one or both of the others are looking at 2014. Seems like a long time. And giving the U two holiday seasons alone? Insane!
I read here and there that one or both of the others are looking at 2014. Seems like a long time. And giving the U two holiday seasons alone? Insane!
HD console gaming is dying is that what you are trying to say?
Dreamwriter
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That doesn't mean anything. Skyrim is a Kinect title for 360 as well, just like Heavy Rain is a Move title for PS3, and Twilight Princess is a Wii Remote title.
MAtgS
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Smiles and Cries
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WiiU could get a 4G version
Oh no. I'd bet that more new HD games, well-made, well-advertised would result in better sales. But more than anything in that post, I just wonder how long until either the PS4 or 720 launch..
ColdBlooder
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Why is the power disucssion starting like every day?
The first dev kits already had more power than the Xbox 360 (Garden/Bird demo in the showfloor with effects not possible on current gen + rendered 2 diffrent scenes)
Do you belive that there were NO power upgrades since the first dev kit? These demos also were pretty rushed, so, yeah...
1.3x Xbox360 confirmed i guess :/
The first dev kits already had more power than the Xbox 360 (Garden/Bird demo in the showfloor with effects not possible on current gen + rendered 2 diffrent scenes)
Do you belive that there were NO power upgrades since the first dev kit? These demos also were pretty rushed, so, yeah...
1.3x Xbox360 confirmed i guess :/
nintendo always makes underpowered systems. the best they had in 1994 when saturn and playstation had 3d games was donkey kong country, and in 2000 when the ps2 had the bouncer, nintendo was releasing some zelda game (which needed more power to run because the system was too weak).
and then there's the wii, which should have been what the wii u is because at least that way nintendo would have made money (i think they lost like two billion dollars this year?)
Bluemercury
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Me too....im confused....
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
There were no effects in the garden/bird demo that are 'not possible' on the current gen.
I think the traditional "generations" of consoles is going to change, if MS & Sony decide to wait. Phones don't have to release in the same time-frame as their competitors; there are always new phones coming out, despite the fact that people keep their phone for years. Same with TV, speakers, PCs... pretty much EVERY consumer electronic releases without regard for their competitors' "generations." They just release a better version of their own product as soon as they need the boost in sales.
The Dreamcast suffered because it fell in-between generations, but if UE4 ends up being as scalable as we think it will, I doubt the same fate would befall the Wii U, and I doubt the PS4720 would suffer by letting the Wii U get two holidays all to itself. A good example is the Wii; even though it nearly outsold both of its competitors combined for the first few years, eventually Xbox 360 hit its own stride.
Gamers used to buy consoles based on who got the great 3rd party titles. This mindset led to buying the market leader's console, because they would get the support. But now, EVERYONE gets the 3rd party titles (except the Wii). And if UE4 is super scalable, all 3 consoles will get all big 3rd party titles, so consumers aren't going to buy the market leader in order to get the biggest library; they'll just buy their preference of controls, graphics, and exclusive 1st-party titles, regardless of sales.
TL;DR: Mucho sales used to lead to more sales, but I doubt that will be the case much longer, and hence, the need for "generations" will dampen, and MS and Sony may put off their consoles. All speculation, and I could be wrong, of course.
ColdBlooder
Banned
SNES, N64 and NGC wer NOT underpowered!
You got to be kidding. They make ONE underpowered system and then they automatically "always made underpowered systems"?
You also compare games of diffrent generations. WTF???
I do expect the PS4 and Durango to outperform WiiU but i don´t think WiiU is just a souped up Xbox 360.
My revised E3 prediction list:
Wii U (release 3rd week of September)
- Pikmin 3 (Nov 2012)
- F-Zero U (launch)
- New Super Mario Bros. 2 for Wii U and 3DS. Cross-platform play, On-stage demo. Release Oct 2012.
- New Wii fit game (balanceboard/Upad interaction)
- Wii U demo games(showing Upad functionality) included with the system. On-stage demo
- Wii U Sports (launch)
- New Nintendo IP game 1 (launch)
- New Nintendo IP game 2 (Nov 2012)
- Retro game (Metroid or new IP)
- Mario 3D gametrailer (release 2013)
- Icarus (cell shaded adventure game)
- Lego City Stories (dec 2012)
- No Zelda Wii U will be shown
- No Smash bros. will be shown
- Batman Arkham City: 10 of 10 edition (launch)
- Assassins creed III (end of Oct)
- BLOPS 2 (Nov 2012)
- Resident Evil 6 (Oct 2012)
- Ninja Gaiden 3 (launch)
- Tekken game (Q4 2012)
- Dirt game (Q4 2012)
- Darksiders 2 (launch)
- Ghost Recon Online (launch)
- Project CARS (2013)
- Mortal Kombat Wii U edition (launch)
- Street Fighter 4 Wii U edition (launch)
- Aliens Colonial Marines (Oct 2012)
- Rayman Legends (Nov 2012)
- Killer Freaks from Outer Space (launch)
- Epic Mickey 2 (Q4 2012)
- Dragon Quest X (Q4 in Japan)
- Final Fantasy XIV... online (Q4 in Japan)
- New Kingdom Hearts game (2013)
- Maybe GTA V (I am giving it 50% chance) (2013)
- Maybe Bioshock Infinite (was 0% before delay, after delay to 2013, I am giving it 25% chance now)
- Metro: Last Light (2013)
- NBA Live 13 (Oct 2012)
- Fifa 13 (launch)
- Madden NFL 13 (launch)
- Dead Space 3 (2013)
- Need for Speed: Most wanted 2 (2013)
Hell of a list
Wii U (release 3rd week of September)
- Pikmin 3 (Nov 2012)
- F-Zero U (launch)
- New Super Mario Bros. 2 for Wii U and 3DS. Cross-platform play, On-stage demo. Release Oct 2012.
- New Wii fit game (balanceboard/Upad interaction)
- Wii U demo games(showing Upad functionality) included with the system. On-stage demo
- Wii U Sports (launch)
- New Nintendo IP game 1 (launch)
- New Nintendo IP game 2 (Nov 2012)
- Retro game (Metroid or new IP)
- Mario 3D gametrailer (release 2013)
- Icarus (cell shaded adventure game)
- Lego City Stories (dec 2012)
- No Zelda Wii U will be shown
- No Smash bros. will be shown
- Batman Arkham City: 10 of 10 edition (launch)
- Assassins creed III (end of Oct)
- BLOPS 2 (Nov 2012)
- Resident Evil 6 (Oct 2012)
- Ninja Gaiden 3 (launch)
- Tekken game (Q4 2012)
- Dirt game (Q4 2012)
- Darksiders 2 (launch)
- Ghost Recon Online (launch)
- Project CARS (2013)
- Mortal Kombat Wii U edition (launch)
- Street Fighter 4 Wii U edition (launch)
- Aliens Colonial Marines (Oct 2012)
- Rayman Legends (Nov 2012)
- Killer Freaks from Outer Space (launch)
- Epic Mickey 2 (Q4 2012)
- Dragon Quest X (Q4 in Japan)
- Final Fantasy XIV... online (Q4 in Japan)
- New Kingdom Hearts game (2013)
- Maybe GTA V (I am giving it 50% chance) (2013)
- Maybe Bioshock Infinite (was 0% before delay, after delay to 2013, I am giving it 25% chance now)
- Metro: Last Light (2013)
- NBA Live 13 (Oct 2012)
- Fifa 13 (launch)
- Madden NFL 13 (launch)
- Dead Space 3 (2013)
- Need for Speed: Most wanted 2 (2013)
Hell of a list
GhostTrick
Banned
walking fiend
Member
That doesn't mean a geforce 520 is as powerful as 580 just because the latter can't do something the former can't
NinjaTehFish
Banned
My revised E3 prediction list:
Wii U (release 3rd week of September)
- Pikmin 3 (Nov 2012)
- F-Zero U (launch)
- New Super Mario Bros. 2 for Wii U and 3DS. Cross-platform play, On-stage demo. Release Oct 2012.
- New Wii fit game (balanceboard/Upad interaction)
- Wii U demo games(showing Upad functionality) included with the system. On-stage demo
- Wii U Sports (launch)
- New Nintendo IP game 1 (launch)
- New Nintendo IP game 2 (Nov 2012)
- Retro game (Metroid or new IP)
- Mario 3D gametrailer (release 2013)
- Icarus (cell shaded adventure game)
- Lego City Stories (dec 2012)
- No Zelda Wii U will be shown
- No Smash bros. will be shown
- Batman Arkham City: 10 of 10 edition (launch)
- Assassins creed III (end of Oct)
- BLOPS 2 (Nov 2012)
- Resident Evil 6 (Oct 2012)
- Ninja Gaiden 3 (launch)
- Tekken game (Q4 2012)
- Dirt game (Q4 2012)
- Darksiders 2 (launch)
- Ghost Recon Online (launch)
- Project CARS (2013)
- Mortal Kombat Wii U edition (launch)
- Street Fighter 4 Wii U edition (launch)
- Aliens Colonial Marines (Oct 2012)
- Rayman Legends (Nov 2012)
- Killer Freaks from Outer Space (launch)
- Epic Mickey 2 (Q4 2012)
- Dragon Quest X (Q4 in Japan)
- Final Fantasy XIV... online (Q4 in Japan)
- New Kingdom Hearts game (2013)
- Maybe GTA V (I am giving it 50% chance) (2013)
- Maybe Bioshock Infinite (was 0% before delay, after delay to 2013, I am giving it 25% chance now)
- Metro: Last Light (2013)
- NBA Live 13 (Oct 2012)
- Fifa 13 (launch)
- Madden NFL 13 (launch)
- Dead Space 3 (2013)
- Need for Speed: Most wanted 2 (2013)
- Far Cry 3*
- Dishonored (?)
- Ghost Recon: Futre Soldier (?)
-Dead Space 3 (?)
-THI4FThief 4 (?)
Hell of a list
A couple additions. Who can add more?
*Why no (?), Because in the E3 reveal thread for this last year i noted the onscreen A button prompts were white and grey. I argued this is because it was an Wii U build, Furthermore all footage since has shown the Xbox A button prompt.....
GhostTrick
Banned
Are you serious ?
I mean, you're saying that Nintendo made underpowered systems because in 1994, they didn't launched a new system ? I mean, seriously, SNES was a 4 years old system at this time.
So, by your logic, Sony made underpowered systems, because in 2005/2006, Gamecube and Xbox/360 made far better graphics ?
This is a non sense !
Edit: Yep, it seems you were sarcastic
Read his tag
ColdBlooder
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Cosmonaut X
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He is.
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