MisterHero
Super Member
I guess Iwata is quitting since he can only go back as far as programming baseball games for calculators
I don't know if he can handle punch card development
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I don't know if he can handle punch card development
AceBandage
Banned
Which is why the year head start and Nintendo's support of third party games are crucial.
Ah c'mon dude. lol
Nintendo aren't the only ones playing with tablets...
Regardless, you have at least double/triple the memory of the current gen systems in the Wii U and a much more modern GPU. You don't think that's going to allow for better/clearer texture work on its games?
antonz said:
Why would I play fps ports on a dual-analog controller (downgrade) when I can play it with a pointer? (and better visuals)
bgassassin
Member
Noooo! You're desensitizing yourself. Let the hype fade. It will naturally pick back up once E3 gets closer.
He was Arkham all along!
Fantastical
Death Prophet
I hope we get a small tease (IE see through covers on E3 booths) the night before E3.
To be honest, I was only expecting current gen ports to get better AA and AF, exclusives to look significantly better than than gen's best, and next-gen ports to look like low-medium setting at 720p or 540p compared to the other next consoles. Sounds like I'm getting what I expected.
Wuu = 3x360
PS4 = 3xWuu
XB8 = 1.1-1.25xPS4
Wuu = 3x360
PS4 = 3xWuu
XB8 = 1.1-1.25xPS4
:/ Ah well I'll have to get a 720 or whatever they call it to compliment the Wii U :/
AceBandage
Banned
Its going to be an absolutely fantastic machine on the Nintendo side of the spectrum. Zelda etc should be stunning. I just dont think it has the big chance of long term success when it comes to 3rd parties.
The "core" gamer is going to abandon the WiiU for COD12 on the Nextbox etc cause of the graphics11!!!111 etc.
Fourth Storm
Member
Ok, now that I'm back on my computer it's catch up time! 
Yup, those are my numbers and I'm sticking with them! haha. Really, my point rides on the assumption that it's a 32nm chip (IBM's eDRAM on board supports this). If AMD were achieving those numbers in their embedded line last year for casino machines, what are they possible of doing on Wii U (where much more graphics power is obviously utilized)? 640 spus at the same Mhz on the lower process seems plausible.
Then, there is the x-factor of the fixed function extension units (at least for lighting if not also other areas). I don't know to what extent they would take up die space, etc, so I can't say how much they'd affect the design of the chip. On the other hand, reducing the ROP performance from the presumed dev kits (if they were pretty much stock RV770LEs) might cause issues, unless Nintendo locked it out somehow. Not that more than 8 ROPs may even be necessary. Real performance numbers (vs theoretical) are hard to come by, but it doesn't seem to be a bottleneck in the current generation.
Your theory at 480 spus could work, but I am still holding out atm because of that rumor about overheating dev kits. If that is true, then the dev kit gpus were originally clocked higher and Nintendo's target performance would be more than 576 GFLOPS. I then assume that the "bump in performance" reported around January was when the first round of prototype Wii U GPUs went out, including the die shrink, bump in speed, and presumably this "hardwired" lighting unit.
I wouldn't go too far in clocking the chip over 600 Mhz, though. I expect clocks to be similar to 360 and Nintendo prefers to balance their systems carefully to avoid bottlenecks. There are also yields, I suppose, to take into account. My bet is on the chips being done at GF since there was just that story about their deal w/ IBM on the 32nm tech and they opened the new plant. They'll have the manpower. And the IBM eDRAM in question is specific to that technology it seems.
Yup, those are my numbers and I'm sticking with them! haha. Really, my point rides on the assumption that it's a 32nm chip (IBM's eDRAM on board supports this). If AMD were achieving those numbers in their embedded line last year for casino machines, what are they possible of doing on Wii U (where much more graphics power is obviously utilized)? 640 spus at the same Mhz on the lower process seems plausible.
Then, there is the x-factor of the fixed function extension units (at least for lighting if not also other areas). I don't know to what extent they would take up die space, etc, so I can't say how much they'd affect the design of the chip. On the other hand, reducing the ROP performance from the presumed dev kits (if they were pretty much stock RV770LEs) might cause issues, unless Nintendo locked it out somehow. Not that more than 8 ROPs may even be necessary. Real performance numbers (vs theoretical) are hard to come by, but it doesn't seem to be a bottleneck in the current generation.
Your theory at 480 spus could work, but I am still holding out atm because of that rumor about overheating dev kits. If that is true, then the dev kit gpus were originally clocked higher and Nintendo's target performance would be more than 576 GFLOPS. I then assume that the "bump in performance" reported around January was when the first round of prototype Wii U GPUs went out, including the die shrink, bump in speed, and presumably this "hardwired" lighting unit.
I wouldn't go too far in clocking the chip over 600 Mhz, though. I expect clocks to be similar to 360 and Nintendo prefers to balance their systems carefully to avoid bottlenecks. There are also yields, I suppose, to take into account. My bet is on the chips being done at GF since there was just that story about their deal w/ IBM on the 32nm tech and they opened the new plant. They'll have the manpower. And the IBM eDRAM in question is specific to that technology it seems.
AceBandage
Banned
I always find this argument amusing.
If this was the case, then why isn't every gamer PC exclusive?
Same here.
Tablets are awesome.
Buttons are awesome.
Tablets with buttons are awesomest.
You know people keep on saying the Kinect "stole" the casual's but where is the proof? Kinect software sales is just not that good and kinect hardware sales is unhealthy
You sure? I'm losing it over here. I really am.
I think that person cares more about having LIVE than graphics; otherwise they wouldn't be playing CoD in the first place.
How random.
DragonSworne
Banned
Do we even know if Sony will bother with a PS4?
So you get it for Nintendo games and the odd 3rd party exclusives but you keep another console for any actual third party games. Sounds like the pattern we have held since the N64.
AceBandage
Banned
They've already sent out target specs, so yes.
I think we'll see far more multiplatform games on the Wii U for this coming generation than we have for a Nintendo system in a long long time.
Naturally, it's because a gaming PC will cost you over $5000.
It is a rather simple matter the issue of 3rd party support. They support all devices or they die. Pretty clear cut.
And people would be missing out on exclusive titles they can only get on a console.
Antonz is a developer. Therefore, you lied. BURN THE WITCH
People still spew this bullshit?
*sees edit* Wait... *squints eyes*
DragonSworne
Banned
Hehe.. I'm getting a kick out of the press lately..
*titter*
*giggle*
I dare 'em to underestimate Nintendo again. Let's see how that works-out for them this time.
PCs are also hard to set up and crash every five hours.
AceBandage
Banned
Burntpork man calm down
you are gonna die young from heart explodingYou can be disappointed something isnt better while also accepting that things are how they are
DragonSworne
Banned
Sounds like a console.
Not really. I can see this being true for people who have no idea what they're doing. I'll tell ya that much.
Sounds like my 360.
MrBelmontvedere
Member
I couldn't presume to construct a dash-based benchmark system to represent Wii U Vs. PS4 and Xbox3, but I think (based on comments from Nintendo thus far) this will not be another case of Wii Vs. PS3 and Xbox2.
This time I believe the Wii U will be much closer to the other next-gen competition. Which truth be told (and based upon the rumors of rather anemic Xbox3 hardware choices) Nintendo could compete with while remaining their usual stingy selves. I think it goes without saying that Wii U will be the weaker of the three next-gen systems, but not so weak that it can't compete at all.
This time I believe the Wii U will be much closer to the other next-gen competition. Which truth be told (and based upon the rumors of rather anemic Xbox3 hardware choices) Nintendo could compete with while remaining their usual stingy selves. I think it goes without saying that Wii U will be the weaker of the three next-gen systems, but not so weak that it can't compete at all.
Burntpork man calm down
You can be disappointed something isnt better while also accepting that things are how they are
I thought that the "BURN THE WITCH" part would have made it clear that I was joking.
Hey, is that heart thing a fat joke?
Fixed.
If it was like a console, it would still be downloading patches to fix its crashing while it shows you ads.
(*sighs* I miss the consoles of old, where you put a game in the cartridge slow and it ... just works)
I thought that the "BURN THE WITCH" part would have made it clear that I was joking.
Hey, is that heart thing a fat joke?
Nah I dont make fat jokes was more of a you bounce off the walls so much it will explode trying to keep up with you.
boiled goose
good with gravy
there is no evidence. Wii died due to lack of suppot and 360 maintained its popularity mostly due to its core appeal, with a small boost from kinect.
Look at numbers for just dance 3 on wii vrs dance central 2 on kinect.
At its peak wii was a cultural phenomenon worldwide, with top selling titles reach 20-30million copies sold.
i think xbox did more to sell kinect than kinect did to sell xbox.
Just wondering. Guess not...
Okay, I know that was a fat joke.
Both this and my last post were cases of me kidding around and having fun.
lherre said that IdeaMan has good info, though some is subjective.
Okay, I know that was a fat joke.
Both this and my last post were cases of me kidding around and having fun.
Hey dont have to be fat to bounce
when I throw a baby at the wall it bounces.
joke!
I just found it odd that we don't have any major analysis on kinect and its software sales
Aww, you guys are no fun
EDIT: Ace and Stevie get it.
It took me a whole minute, to be honest. Case of the mondays
They're not so good. lol
Ideaman says his buds aren't impressed, but aren't dissapointed either. Which is a great way of saying NOTHING.
AceBandage
Banned
Hardware is booming. Software is flat-lining.
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