Cerebral Assassin
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You seem to be forgetting a few things, one most 20-yr-olds likely grew up playing on Playstation consoles, not Nintendo ones, & 2 Nintendo have probably the most important franchise aimed at kids; Pokemon.
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You seem to be forgetting a few things, one most 20-yr-olds likely grew up playing on Playstation consoles, not Nintendo ones, & 2 Nintendo have probably the most important franchise aimed at kids; Pokemon.
Shadow Hog
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I know I'm going to give myself many unneeded aneurysms fretting over this, but it always annoys me when people treat Wii U as not-next-gen. Generations are determined by timeframe, not stuff under the hood. Besides, I'd imagine the stuff under the hood is still going to be your typical generational leap, if not as far as MS and Sony go. I just hope we don't have a Wii situation again, where the technology clearly was merely of the same calibur as the generation before it.
I see. 24, here.
Chet Rippo
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Whatever old man.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Bad frame rate.
You're right on this part. Handhelds skewer to younger age (10 and below) groups. So in that perspective, Nintendo still has an iron grip on the younger market.
But what about 13-16 year old age groups? When I was 13, I remember seeing kids smoking and drinking because they wanted to look more adult.
It's an age group that cares a lot about "image" and what people think of them.
lordfroakie
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No need to steal his thread without telling him first. Be patient
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
That's a myth. Kids never respect their elders. It takes coming of age to start respecting people older than yourself.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
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Maybe you could have your room on the subscreen, and you could arrange/decorate it from anywhere, instead of actually having to go to your room.
It could also be used as a map, so you could see where everyone is at any given moment in real time.
fabric designing could possibly become a much less time consuming and potentially a more creative affair.
Yeah, but your point was that Nintendo doesn't have the "80s babies" who grew up playing Nintendo anymore and need to worry about kids today who play XBox. But you also admit that Nintendo has an iron grip on young players.
I don't disagree that Nintendo's image is decidedly less edgy than Xbox, but I dont think a consumer electronics product is generational. People will play on anything with fun software.
I always thought Animal Crossing should be something that is pre-installed on the console so everyone has access to it like PlayStation Home. But because it sells so well, that will never happen.
I also feel like there's so much online potential involving communities that hasn't been fully explored with Animal Crossing.
I also feel like there's so much online potential involving communities that hasn't been fully explored with Animal Crossing.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
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That's a good idea too. Make it something like Colors! 3D (maybe not as full featured, obviously), and some amazing stuff could happen.
I'm not really expecting a Wii U animal crossing though. I feel like it's better suited for a handheld, and now that 3DS has perfectly capable online technology, I don't see the reason for making a new console one, at least not in the foreseeable future.
I was born in 1985; NES is in my earliest memories. My much older brother, parents, and extended family loved playing games like Fighting Golf, Tetris, and Dr. Mario. I have fond memories of Mario 3, Adventure of Lolo, Kirby's Adventure, Marble Madness, etc.
One day in like 1991 I went to some kid's house and he had a Genesis. Games like Golden Axe, I felt, were quite boring, but Sonic had me hooked and I begged my parents for one.
I lived in a 1 console family, so I naturally developed a hatred of Nintendo to relieve cognitive dissonance. Sega made some bad decisions with my favorite franchises that lost them my loyalty, but I still had leftover illogical dislike for Nintendo partially backed by peer pressure as most peers saw Nintendo as uncool. Thus I picked PS1 next generation and followed through to PS2.
Like with Sega before, PS2 was like a betrayal to me. My favorite PS1 franchises had a lot of issues on PS2 and the hardware was pretty cheap. Plus I was more open-minded as I matured. I got a GCN around 2002/03 and got to play OoT after I preordered Wind Waker. Now I'm hooked on Nintendo again. The make bad decisions sometimes, but I value the consistency, quality, and sheer fun of their games. They're very dependable while also not providing stagnant experiences.
I got a PS3, too, as Sony got a few new franchises I couldn't resist.
One day in like 1991 I went to some kid's house and he had a Genesis. Games like Golden Axe, I felt, were quite boring, but Sonic had me hooked and I begged my parents for one.
I lived in a 1 console family, so I naturally developed a hatred of Nintendo to relieve cognitive dissonance. Sega made some bad decisions with my favorite franchises that lost them my loyalty, but I still had leftover illogical dislike for Nintendo partially backed by peer pressure as most peers saw Nintendo as uncool. Thus I picked PS1 next generation and followed through to PS2.
Like with Sega before, PS2 was like a betrayal to me. My favorite PS1 franchises had a lot of issues on PS2 and the hardware was pretty cheap. Plus I was more open-minded as I matured. I got a GCN around 2002/03 and got to play OoT after I preordered Wind Waker. Now I'm hooked on Nintendo again. The make bad decisions sometimes, but I value the consistency, quality, and sheer fun of their games. They're very dependable while also not providing stagnant experiences.
I got a PS3, too, as Sony got a few new franchises I couldn't resist.
fabricated backlash
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Ubisoft was one of the only ones really willing to support the Wii with unique games. Too bad these games were either shit or not very interesting for many gamers.
But they had a lot of great concepts on Wii as well.
Now that they can just port everything, they would be idiots not to.
Yeah my nephew (...I think he's 8?) grew up with the DS, along with Xbox/360, Wii, and now 3DS. He and his friends play the various Mario games (NSMB and Mario Kart from what I've seen) along with Halo. Some of his friends' parents let them play the more "mature" shooters (CoD and stuff) while I've shown him some Lost Planet and Vanquish. Lately we've played Gunstar Heroes and River City Ransom on Wii VC.
I figure the main thing is game variety across ages. Mario and whatever are great as you skew younger, but the shooters and other stuff need to be there to keep interest in the system as the players get into other genres vs needing to switch consoles for them and leaving Nintendo for only the "kiddie" stuff.
Nintendo should launch an ad campaign where the focus is on the gamers who group up with Nintendo consoles. (NES and/or SNES specifically). The ads could feature adults ranging from their late 20s to early 40s with them playing a contemporary version of a Nintendo franchise they grew up with. They could possibly be playing with their kids and sharing the memories. Call it the "Nintendo Generation(s)". I'd buy whatever Nintendo was selling based on nostalgia alone.
Yes Nintendo has an iron grip on young players, but for how long?
My point is, as generations go by, that iron grip will loosen up.
Handhelds are the holy grail for Nintendo's ability to attract young gamers. But who says handheld gaming will continue to be successful for Nintendo? With the rise of smartphone gaming and tablets, are you 100 percent positive that Nintendo will keep making handheld systems 10 years from now? If the standalone handheld industry goes the way of the dinosaur, does Nintendo lose younger gamers because of it?
This idea that as long as Nintendo has handhelds, they'll always have a new generation of young gamers, is kind of sketchy to me. Because you can't guarantee they'll always make handhelds.
Same here, at least if they never include it it'll be avaiable as a download game so I might stick with it for once. How were sales of the DS and Wii ones?
Hell they kind of did that for the first New Super Mario (and DS lite), just showed the original, then blammo NEW! Immediately recognizeable to anyone that played NES before turning it into the new one.
60_gig_PS3
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I'm losing interest in the WiiU Nintendo need to learn how to manage their PR better.
You can't kill off the Wii a year early and have next to no info on what's coming down the pipe.
You can't kill off the Wii a year early and have next to no info on what's coming down the pipe.
Not many days left till E3.
Someone mentioned earlier about Nintendo parents who originally grew-up with the NES amd SNES now raising their kids with Nintendo systems.. I see it within my own family. My sister has what I'd call a "Nintendo household," and my sister-in-law and brother-in-law have four kids who regularly get Nintendo presents from us like clockwork. We're all raising these kids to be Nintendo freaks, and you can see it working, from young young age to late teens.
We call it "Nindoctrination." You should see these kids' bedrooms. Plush animals, posters, toys.. it's almost comparable to parents passing-down their religious or political values. I can definitely see parallels.
Meanwhile, there's one brother-in-law who doesn't want our Nintendo presents and has only a Playstation for his kids. When Nintendo Monopoly is brought out at a family gathering, they don't know who half the characters are - poor things!
We call it "Nindoctrination." You should see these kids' bedrooms. Plush animals, posters, toys.. it's almost comparable to parents passing-down their religious or political values. I can definitely see parallels.
Meanwhile, there's one brother-in-law who doesn't want our Nintendo presents and has only a Playstation for his kids. When Nintendo Monopoly is brought out at a family gathering, they don't know who half the characters are - poor things!
SaintMadeOfPlaster
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You can if you plan on having a major media blowout later.
You're new to Nintendo, aren't you?
I don't blame 'em one bit. Heck, as far as ports are concerned, I'll borrow a line from an NBC marketing campaign from the late 1990s: if I haven't played it, it's "new" to me!
Every once in a while, we end-up with a diamond in the rough. This time, I'm hoping it's a decent Assassin's Creed game. Hell, they should consider bringing the others over, too; it can only help their reputation among Nintendo-only core gamers, as far as I can tell.
That's just your body regulating hype.
lordfroakie
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Look at his name
That should be a very basic expectation. I mean, that's a huge feature of the system, advertised front-and-center in that first highlight reel. I'm guessing that Nintendo will have some sort of icon on the box for games like this.
I'm aware it is fake but I'm curious as to where was the post that debunked it is.
To really drive the point home this E3, Nintendo needs to have a congregation of prominent third party figures on stage.
Have Newell showing off Steam intergration, Ken Levine demoing Bioshock Infinite, Cliffy B with his next project etc would demonstrate the serious effort Ninty's giving to cater to every nook and cranny of the market.
Have Newell showing off Steam intergration, Ken Levine demoing Bioshock Infinite, Cliffy B with his next project etc would demonstrate the serious effort Ninty's giving to cater to every nook and cranny of the market.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37629861&postcount=66
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37630684&postcount=86
Banned site helps spread fake news >_>
Gamer @ Heart
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Must be. Nintendo doesnt show things until they are ready. And there is a lot to get ready for a new console reveal.
That's not really what I was saying though. My point is that there is nothing generational about game consoles' install base. Nostalgia is an effective tool at times, but Nintendo software doesn't sell just because of nostalgia. (It sells because it's generally great). My point is that software sells consoles. I only brought up handhelds as a counter argument to your point that Nintendo is losing its younger audience to Xbox.
And then the four horsemen would ride down on their horses and end the world
I think they might have different third party personalities on stage, though. They've done it before, and they were mighty proud of having John Riccitiellio on stage last year.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
First person "bat eyes" view of the world.
Or maybe all of that is associated with ports... lots and lots of ports.
And I know that this isn't very Nintendo-like to be this way, but I'd like to see dig or two at certain other companies.. saying things like, "here at Nintendo, you can rest assured that gaming is always king!" and "We will never lose sight of the fact that you come to us for games" and "gaming is in our DNA. It isn't a side-interest for us - it's all we think about."
It wouldn't happen, I don't think, because I don't see this as something that Iwata would push, but it'd be hysterical to see it happen. (then again, I could see Reggie being a little bit snarky..)
StAidan
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Pretty much this. Nintendo's success with the NES (and the Wii, for that matter) stemmed from a game library that quite literally had something for everybody in the family.
I lived through the NES/Gameboy days as a child (I was 6 years old when we got our NES in 1986), but my siblings and parents alike enjoyed "playing Nintendo." Successive Big N consoles never quite achieved that level of appeal (for a number of reasons), until finally the DS and Wii one-two punch came out, and suddenly it was family fun time again. My parents, after a couple decades of not playing video games anymore, were excited as heck to get a Wii.
Back then, I always thought it was funny to see my 30- and 40-year-old aunts and uncles gather around for Dr. Mario tournaments. Now that I've reached that age group, I realize more and more just how timeless/ageless those games are.
As long as Nintendo retains that winning software strategy, they will always have an audience -- and they'll be able to draw in even those people who didn't grow up with Nintendo.
Nintendo talked a lot of shit at e3 2004. It's not without precident.
And while not quite the same, there are some parallels to Nintendo at e3 '04 and e3 '12. The aggressive Reggie-fied attitude might return this year
Ninty doesn't know that they are very capable of being badass. Reggie, Iwata, and Miyamoto walking slowly and confidently on stage would send ripples into the crowd. A fearsome theme would have to be playing at the same type as well.
Look at their past slogans too: "Get N or get out"
That's BADASS
I can't afford to buy a wii in September, dammit.
Thank you.
And g0 Nintendo isn't directly at fault here. They post any and all rumors related to the wii u. it is up to posters on Gaf to determine whether they seem likely or not. Obviously a mod found it likely seeing as he made the thread.
You're right.. it's been quite a while since I've seen that one.
But 8 years is a pretty good chunk of time. I bet Reggie throwing-out some one-liners would get a lot of tongues wagging. Especially if one or both of the others have boring conferences..
Damn right. They have a lot of reason to be proud. I'm imagining the media calling them "arrogant," and Nintendo not really caring one bit.. it'd be delicious.
Now you're getting it...
Which wouldn't be happening unless an NDA was about to be lifted this week, correct?
Of course with our luck, those journalists are from a print magazine, and they're just getting extra time so they can get their articles on newsstands during E3.
Not necessarily. Depends on the clause stated in he NDA. My best guess though is that the NDA shall be released either before or during E3
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