Probably piracy is my only guessThey need to fix this crap, not sure what they are trying to prevent
Well I, to be honest, this video has huge inconsistencies , you have 2 Series consoles, you have one PS5. Make sense that PS5 is home console by default, so that means that's why you are able to launch the digital games without an issue. If you would have 2 consoles, it would be the same deal as on Xbox, well to a degree worse, because PS5 does not allow you to play on second console on any other profile, than where you bought it, on Xbox, you can sign in to 2 accounts at the same time (non-home Xbox) and play it on other profile. The non-launching Xbox games (X1 games) digital on the xbox is that, the Xbox pulls the config files after the initial launch, dumb yes, scummy not really. The worst offender are the physical discs, but that's due to lenient policies as to what you have to have on disc. And with X1 games, the emulation is done in software, with Sony is done with OS layer (and HW), there isn't probably any good way to go around this, because if the config files (and maybe some other larger files) would be in OS updates, people would bitch that it's sucking too much of HDD space. Not saying that it's ideal, but how would one go around this.
Well X1 ran natively, so one of the issue was not present.Was this present on Xbox One as well? I’m all digital on Xbox, so wasn’t aware of this.
Yeah as far as I know it was the same on Xbox One.Was this present on Xbox One as well? I’m all digital on Xbox, so wasn’t aware of this.
It never left.That Xbox one planned DRM sneakily put back.
It didn’t even took 20 seconds….Here we go…..also who the fuck plays offline.
It's a good job there is at least one company out there (not sure what Nintendo does) who does care about offline players.Here we go…..also who the fuck plays offline.
I'd like to talk to you about our lord and savior gog.com <3
(on topic: This isn't a new thing, it's not the best press but it's hardly unprecedented - DRM is a valid thing, even if it's anti-consumer. I really enjoy clicking through all the loading screens and ads in PC Witcher 3)
Here we go…..also who the fuck plays offline.
this guy is basically sayingHere we go…..also who the fuck plays offline.
Yeah. While I have an internet connection 99.99999999% of the time I have been without internet at certain times, like when I moved to a new house and it took 3 months until we got fibre and I had to do internet sharing through the phone just to pay bills etc.Wow how these console reviewers missed that.
Need Internet at first time console boot - Understandable.
Need Internet at old gen title boot - I can live with that
Need internet for digitally bought game boots - Wtf, if true that's a huge deal breaker.
Really?It's 2021. If you can't connect to the internet you have bigger problems than not being able to play Xbox games.
I don't care what anyone says. I've been a pc (and console. But pc is 100% digital) gamer from a third world country all my life. If I was able to do it anyone can do it.
I mean he shows you can launch digital games offline on a PS5...Half the video is him discussing not being able to launch digital games offline on a console that isn’t his home console. Why would you be able to do that? If you could play those games with no connection, people could buy the game on an account and then let anyone download the game on that account on their own console and play it offline. On his actual home Xbox console those digital titles would load offline just fine.
Idk why BC titles require an internet connection to finish installing but as he says it’s probably some config files.
This basicallyCliffs for people that don't like watching videos?
Xbox dev here.
Some very precise clarifications when installing various types of content from discs
- OG Xbox/Xbox 360. Need to be online to install as the disc is just a key that allows you to download the game and emulator (same as on Xbox One).
- Xbox One games. Need to be online one-time during install to download specific config files (separate from actual game patches).
- Smart Delivery games. Depends on how much is actually on the disc; if the X|S version is on the disc, then can install offline, but if it is a stub only, then the Smart Delivery portion is delivered as an upgrade patch. This does a hybrid install using bits from the disc and bits from Xbox Live.
- Native X|S games. Can install offline.
-Oscar
On your home one, same with Xbox.I mean he shows you can launch digital games offline on a PS5...
He had problems with some games even after setting the console to be his home console, Ori and the Will of the Wisps for example.Half the video is him discussing not being able to launch digital games offline on a console that isn’t his home console. Why would you be able to do that? If you could play those games with no connection, people could buy the game on an account and then let anyone download the game on that account on their own console and play it offline. On his actual home Xbox console those digital titles would load offline just fine.
Idk why BC titles require an internet connection to finish installing but as he says it’s probably some config files.
I really like MVGs videos, but this was a bit disingenuous. He was game sharing his games and didnt have his xbox set up as home xbox. When you have your xbox set to your home xbox your digital games work fine. I'm game sharing with a friend of mine and when my internet goes out I can still play the games my buddy purchased digitally while i'm offline. The Playstation works the same way, only difference is that when you lose your internet, the xbox kicks you out of the game instantly and the playstation gives you 20min before kicking you out.Need internet for digitally bought game boots - Wtf, if true that's a huge deal breaker.
I mean he shows you can launch digital games offline on a PS5...
Really?
Yeah and he says "for some unknown reason". The screen is literally telling you the reasonHis only PS5.
He is literally getting the home console error message when he tries to load them on Xbox
ThisThis basically
+ some non-understanding of Home console
On your home one, same with Xbox.
So in summary, you need to be online to play;
native xbseries games can be played and installed without the internet connection
- any disc based games from previous generations (og Xbox, 360 and xbone)
- most (all?) disc based games with smart delivery (physical copy with both xbone and xbseries logos), disc probably contains only xbone version
This basically
Xbox dev here.
Some very precise clarifications when installing various types of content from discs
- OG Xbox/Xbox 360. Need to be online to install as the disc is just a key that allows you to download the game and emulator (same as on Xbox One).
- Xbox One games. Need to be online one-time during install to download specific config files (separate from actual game patches).
- Smart Delivery games. Depends on how much is actually on the disc; if the X|S version is on the disc, then can install offline, but if it is a stub only, then the Smart Delivery portion is delivered as an upgrade patch. This does a hybrid install using bits from the disc and bits from Xbox Live.
- Native X|S games. Can install offline.
-Oscar
+ some non-understanding of Home console
On your home one, same with Xbox.
We've been here over this, this is my take on the video, which I wrote on youtube channel, because he is not here
But I understand the concern.
Well X1 ran natively, so one of the issue was not present.
may i also remind the people when you can't play a game you legally bought on your own xbox.
But you still want to. Then piracy will become the better option.. That is pretty damn stupid tbh.
Takes me back to using cracked exe's on PC because the legal way was more hassle. To play the copies of games i owned.
Yeah you are right, that the difference is smaller file. It is an awkward thing, however the issue is that solving this issue pose challenges, which sucks, but they are or how to put it.So technically it seems that the Xbox One BC layer is working almost exactly as the same from the Xbox 360 BC, with the diffrence is that you download the required stuff as opposed to the whole game for the 360. I don't think it's a good idea, but didn't know that Series X only games could actually be installed offline. It's an akward thing, which is why i support the removal of the online necessity if possible.
On xbox there are a bunch of games it doesn't matter if it is your home console or not it will not launch.Half the video is him discussing not being able to launch digital games offline on a console that isn’t his home console. Why would you be able to do that? If you could play those games with no connection, people could buy the game on an account and then let anyone download the game on that account on their own console and play it offline. On his actual home Xbox console those digital titles would load offline just fine.
Idk why BC titles require an internet connection to finish installing but as he says it’s probably some config files.
IIRC you also need to be online, or at least in your phone to configure the xbox for the first time, and well, the harsh truth is that no one wanted to play online only because of server issues as seen in diablo and ubisoft games, but hadn't been from that, wouldn't surprise me if people accepted it, after all, imagine that almost every or every console went online at least once and the big majority is mostly online. Nowadays with all their markets having internet 24/7, people would just accept at least an online instalation process just like PC Gamers do with steam.Yeah you are right, that the difference is smaller file. It is an awkward thing, however the issue is that solving this issue pose challenges, which sucks, but they are or how to put it.