selig said:Nintendo offers a 28 million user-base.
Btw., i´m surprised how honest Reggie is in that interview. "Games like Bioshock 2, we´re not good at them".
Typo or intentional? lolReggie said:I'm not sure how much was infested into a game like Dante's Inferno
Right there is your problem.Skorp said:I got one of my friends to get the Conduit
Skorp said:Everyone I know is getting a PS3 now. You better believe nobody is going to go back to wii games after monsters like Uncharted 2 and LittleBigPlanet. What is left on wii that is compelling? High quality multiplayer offerings are nonexistent.
Vizion28 said:I hope with all the money Nintendo is making they are building new 2nd party studios
Boney said:Right there is your problem.
Sorry you're right, LBP was a bad example and I may have exaggerated a little, Heavy Rain could be a better example, there are many amazing PS360 games, the specific games aren't important though, I'm just saying its hard to go back to my wii at times after playing HD games for a while. I definitely agree about LBP vs NSMBW in gameplay, we've played NSMBW at least 5 times as much I would say. I was complaining about the LBP jumping to my brother when we were playing it the other day.I Push Fat Kids said:I'm sorry but you have to be trolling. LBP may have a robust level creator that I put a shit load of time into but fuck if it doesn't play like shit compared to NSMBWii.
Guess you and your friends hate fun but love watching each other slowly build wall textures...
Skorp said:Don't get me wrong I love my wii and would love my friends to play theirs with me. Perhaps they aren't a good representation of the wii userbase. But I'm still waiting to see a game that isn't niche and well made that I could sell them on. Word of mouth was and still is a huge factor in game sales. I don't think Carnival Games or Just Dance would be such successes if people weren't playing them and then showing their friends.
On a side note my friend who got the Conduit just grabbed a copy of NSMBW today for his sister in law so I still have some hope.
I agree.Penguin said:Yeah, its hard to sell people on Wii games at times.
On the same hand, I saw this in the Red Steel 2 thread (which I am interested in), but I always find it odd that people feel obligated or feel they should obligate others to buy 3rd party affairs because they looked like they gave it effort.
That is noble and all, but really, it sometimes get old and annoying.
Skorp said:You better believe nobody is going to go back to wii games after monsters like Uncharted 2 and LittleBigPlanet.
This.Vizion28 said:I hope with all the money Nintendo is making they are building new 2nd party studios especially in the West. Nintendo needs 2nd party developers to make games they couldn't make. That way they won't need 3rd parties - at least not to the extent Sony and Microsoft does.
donny2112 said:Project Sora is one, though it's not the West. I know I keep going back to it, but almost all the complaints about the lack of compelling Western content on the Wii would probably be taken care of if the Stamper Bros. hadn't wanted to get out of the business and become wholly owned by another company. RARE and Nintendo were a great combination. Too bad there isn't a new RARE for Nintendo to team up with.
AceBandage said:Sadly, third parties don't seem too interested in being courted unless you basically fund the development, and even then, you aren't guaranteed a great product.
This generation is so fucked up.
thefro said:I don't think Rare would have really helped except for Perfect Dark Zero.
What I'd love for someone to ask Iwata is why Nintendo isn't replicating their efforts in Japan to attract core gamers by funding/moneyhatting games that appeal to them by funding/moneyhatting some games in the West.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J---aiyznGQFrodo-Teabaggins said:All I want is Monster Hunter for one of the GOOD consoles. Yes, Lost Planet 2 will be awesome, but it's just not the same... I want something with more of an open world, MMO feel to it rather than a linear story.
Frodo-Teabaggins said:All I want is Monster Hunter for one of the GOOD consoles.
:lolFrodo-Teabaggins said:All I want is Monster Hunter for one of the GOOD consoles. Yes, Lost Planet 2 will be awesome, but it's just not the same... I want something with more of an open world, MMO feel to it rather than a linear story.
Skorp said:nobody is going to go back to wii games after monsters like Uncharted 2 and LittleBigPlanet
thefro said:I don't think Rare would have really helped except for Perfect Dark Zero.
What I'd love for someone to ask Iwata is why Nintendo isn't replicating their efforts in Japan to attract core gamers by funding/moneyhatting games that appeal to them by funding/moneyhatting some games in the West.
http://i40.tinypic.com/34sgns0.jpgFrodo-Teabaggins said:All I want is Monster Hunter for one of the GOOD consoles.
Frodo-Teabaggins said:All I want is Monster Hunter for one of the GOOD consoles. Yes, Lost Planet 2 will be awesome, but it's just not the same... I want something with more of an open world, MMO feel to it rather than a linear story.
Frodo-Teabaggins said:All I want is Monster Hunter for one of the GOOD consoles.
*salutes*Frodo-Teabaggins said:All I want is Monster Hunter for one of the GOOD consoles
I see.Frodo-Teabaggins said:All I want is Monster Hunter for one of the GOOD consoles.
He must be hoping that they bang out a Dreamcast port in time for the 10/10/10 relaunch.Vinci said:Hmm.... Whatever could you mean?
nincompoop said:He must be hoping that they bang out a Dreamcast port in time for the 10/10/10 relaunch.
Loonz said:Silent Hill SM is quite a bit better than Heavy Rain IMO, I have both).
LBP was a bad example for sure, mostly I was referring to the multiplayer and content creation available (the latter of which I haven't tried yet). Sure the wii isn't on par with PS360 in the online department but it's not as gimped as the software offerings make it seem. I do the same thing switching between my PS3 and my wii, but we are on gaf and play games far more than the average wii owner. I spend a lot more on games than the average wii gamer. I give lots of games a chance whereas most people will only grab a few titles they are really interested in. Not talking myself up just saying we on gaf aren't the average. Everyone always brings up quality and advertising and these are definitely important, but don't explain the sales of surprise third party successes. Why would a company want to invest all this money and take a risk (I know we all wish they would) when they can try smaller budget titles and possibly get lucky with a Ubisoft/EA type success. If a company makes a good game for an HD console it will sell if its good. If they make a quality wii title can you guarentee them it will sell? Companies are still scared to put in those resources and with the development cycle for a top tier game I do think it's too late at this point. I definitely hope MH3 does well to curtail the trend though.Loonz said:Sorry but :lol .
I have both U2 and LBP (enjoyed U2 inmensely, kinda enjoyed LBP, NSMBWii crushes them both) and right now I play more my Wii than my PS3 (Silent Hill SM is quite a bit better than Heavy Rain IMO, I have both). I switch seamlessly from one console to the other depending on the "worthyness" of the content for my tastes. And I suppose that tends to be true for most people out there.
Skorp said:If a company makes a good game for an HD console it will sell if its good.
Skorp said:Haven't been on Gaf in a while, hopefully not too late to weigh in.
I own around 40 wii games and I recently got a PS3. When the wii came out everyone got one with hopes of what would come. In between then and now games have gotten better, but they still aren't anywhere near the efforts you see on other consoles (outside of nintendo first party). I recently got a PS2 as well and it's sad there are so many PS2 games that run circles around the "newer" wii titles.
We're finally seeing decent (not really AAA though) titles now. But sadly I'm the only one of my friends left playing my wii. My friends laugh at me when I try to push Red Steel 2, Monster Hunter 3, or similar quality titles which I'm sure I could have sold them on 2 years ago. Third parties simply made a bad first impression and have lost consumer trust. I got one of my friends to get the Conduit and the lag online and glitches turned him off so much I will never get him to try another game even if it is far superior. Another friend and I got Tiger Woods 10, a great game that got a lot of advertising and most probably the best golf video game ever made. In the end though its golf. New Super Mario Brothers Wii had us all laughing and having fun together. But neither of them have any reason to get it when they can play it at my place and there's no online so we could play together otherwise. Again, two years ago, one of my friends at least would have got it.
40 wii games and very few third party titles were really enjoyable to me. Muramasa was the best game I played from a third party in a long time. Neither of them heard about it, one showed interest watching a video. Everyone I know is getting a PS3 now. You better believe nobody is going to go back to wii games after monsters like Uncharted 2 and LittleBigPlanet. What is left on wii that is compelling? High quality multiplayer offerings are nonexistent.
As much as I want to say quality and advertising would help I don't think at this point it is enough. You need more than that now because of the crap that was flung early on. You need quality, advertising, and word of mouth. You need a game that works well in splitscreen, works well online, and has a great single player. If the people still playing their wii can't sell the game to their friends who aren't anymore, the game isn't going to do well.
Zero Tolerance said:A contributing factor to my lack of friends is that I decided to buy a Wii rather than a PS3/60. My friends from the college days did the latter.
MYE said:I hope so, i bought one over the other.
Cant wait to slide that disc on my Wii and bump the old SM thread for sum yumi speculation
Skorp said:Very true the advertising does help a lot, but if a quality game on the HD consoles isn't advertised I still think it will sell better than a quality wii game that isn't advertised. Just saying advertising is more important to the wii.
Yeah all my friends got wii's after I got one, but most of them are older than me and married with less time to play. Most of my college friends are getting PS3's now after the price cuts. I think another factor is that lots of parents buy wii's for their children whereas many HD owners buy them for themselves. They can afford to buy HD games that they hear about and interest them, whereas the parents aren't going out and buying their children niche third party wii titles. You really need something with mass appeal to be successful on a larger scale on the wii.
Because that's a bad business model as well? How can you justify for instance 10 $ 2 million projects (including advertisement money) and think: "well, hopefully one will take off"? That's insane. You can spin it all you want, but the facts are third parties just took a huge dump on Wii and afterwards they were stunned that it didn't sell.Skorp said:Everyone always brings up quality and advertising and these are definitely important, but don't explain the sales of surprise third party successes. Why would a company want to invest all this money and take a risk (I know we all wish they would) when they can try smaller budget titles and possibly get lucky with a Ubisoft/EA type success. If a company makes a good game for an HD console it will sell if its good. If they make a quality wii title can you guarentee them it will sell? Companies are still scared to put in those resources and with the development cycle for a top tier game I do think it's too late at this point. I definitely hope MH3 does well to curtail the trend though.
Shattered memories is on my wish list and I constantly hear great things about it. But it is a niche title at the end of the day.
I hope that they actively fight shovelware for their next console. They used to be very discretionary, but now they seem to have the attitude that they should let 3rd parties fling everything at the wall and just see what sticks.Sadist said:I hope for the next Nintendo console they won't cram it full of shovelware....
Sadist said:Because that's a bad business model as well? How can you justify for instance 10 $ 2 million projects (including advertisement money) and think: "well, hopefully one will take off"? That's insane. You can spin it all you want, but the facts are third parties just took a huge dump on Wii and afterwards they were stunned that it didn't sell.
I hope for the next Nintendo console they won't cram it full of shovelware....
I hope that they actively fight shovelware for their next console. They used to be very discretionary, but now they seem to have the attitude that they should let 3rd parties fling everything at the wall and just see what sticks.
I was under the impression it wasn't an amazing game. A metacritic of 70 isn't indicative of top notch quality I would say. Haven't played it though so it may be a great game. I dunno, there are always going to be counterexamples. I'm more referring to a game that has a metascore of like 85 or higher, I can't see it doing bad on an HD console. Whereas wii titles that get scores around there still don't get attention all the time.Eteric Rice said:I dunno, Bionic Commando wasn't advertised, and it died pretty harshly I think.
"I guess there's a reference to MadWorld there. Critically it got a lot of acclaim, but commercially it wasn't the success we wanted it to be. Clearly that was a mismatch with the Wii audience - particularly in terms of the amount of cross-ownership between Wii and the other home platforms. If you're going to play a mature-rated game, you're going to get your 360, PC or PS3 out to do so. But you can't knock us for having a go. - Sega West President and COO Mike Hayes
Sadist said: