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[Cipherr]

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I can understand the physics complain in Sonic games but... Mario? And only because of the behavior when hitting blocks?

I'm sorry but I don't see the problem here.

Physics are extreeeeeemely important for platformers imo.

 

[To Far Away Times]

Yeah, this always bothered me with the Allstars versions, so the originals were always the definitive versions for me. Maybe I'll give it another try with the patch.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Super Mario World has my favorite controls, but I haven't actually played Super Mario Bros. 3. I should correct that. Oddly enough, I have a copy of it, but no NES.

You should definitely correct that. SMB3 is sort of like SMW, only SMB3 is actually good.

 

[Gravijah]

You should definitely correct that. SMB3 is sort of like SMW, only SMB3 is actually good.

except instead of one of the coolest boss battles ever you get blocks

 

[Combichristoffersen]

except instead of one of the coolest boss battles ever you get blocks

It's an OK boss battle, but one of the coolest ever? I shall proceed to guffaw.

 

[DukeTogo1300]

That patch looks great, and that is a really good site too. I semi-recently grabbed a few GBA patches from their myself, the one for Super Mario World that replaces the color palette with the darker look of the SNES original, and one for the two Metroid titles that removes item expansion hints from the map. They had an alternate patch that also removed objective locations, but that just removes the map completely. I am really hoping someone patches Super Mario Bros 3 on GBA so it undoes all the nerfing Nintendo did. That was a really nice package otherwise.

Member goes through a lot of effort to be helpful by creating a well-detailed and informative post; gets dozens of snarky, asshole responses over a totally harmless attempt at humor: News at 11.

This sooo much. It was just a lighthearted hook in the presentation to setup his interest and research. Clearly the OP has maxed out his credit here.

 

[Dreamwriter]

It does break certain jumps over pits because of blocks suddenly stopping your momentum. It's never been a terribly big deal, but if you've played through SMB1 or 2J, it throws you off since you have to find another way around. And when the SNES games use code taken verbatim from the NES games, it's probably a bug or oversight.

Yeah, it makes it so that you have to cross the pits the way Nintendo intended you to. It's obvious Nintendo intended many places that can only be done while small, and many that can only be done while large. Nintendo fixed other bugs and issues with the All Stars releases and rebalanced some things, so it makes sense that they wanted the jumping physics to work that way.

 

[IrishNinja]

Yeah, it makes it so that you have to cross the pits the way Nintendo intended you to. It's obvious Nintendo intended many places that can only be done while small, and many that can only be done while large. Nintendo fixed other bugs and issues with the All Stars releases and rebalanced some things, so it makes sense that they wanted the jumping physics to work that way.

huh.
after GAF pointed out this issue for me years back, i can definitely see it, but i've never really thought of it as intentional, be great to have some iwata talks or other segment cover this notion.

 

[Dug]

Since Dug requested a comic of this:

Beautiful! :lol

 

[Tain]

:O

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True story: I didn't play through Mario 3 in its entirety until a few months ago. Prior to that I had played it for like five minutes at some point in the 90s.

I went all out and bought the seemingly superior Famicom version.

I don't think I like it as much as SMB2J, but it is pretty goddamn good.

 

[charlequin]

True story: I didn't play through Mario 3 in its entirety until a few months ago. Prior to that I had played it for like five minutes at some point in the 90s.

I almost wish this was true about me so I could play it for the first time.

 

[milkyjay20]

Member goes through a lot of effort to be helpful by creating a well-detailed and informative post; gets dozens of snarky, asshole responses over a totally harmless attempt at humor: News at 11.

i don't know if it's a greater offense against common sense... or social skills in general

NSMBWii lovers UNITE

We'll form a band, and we'll tour the country side

i'm in

 

[Emitan]

Since Dug requested a comic of this:

If you're going to put an exact copy of me in a comic you can at least give credit!

Spoiler

Yes, I would be that asshole. Platforming physics are important!

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Is there a platformer just about physics?

 

[Freshmaker]

First the thread in OT by the guy who got physically ill from listening to mp3s, and now a thread where OP apparently won't let children play SM All-Stars because the physics are broken.

Reminds me of the guy who posted comparison screens between the PS2 and the PS3 outputting PS2 games punctuating the PS3 output with stuff like *gasp* and *choke* due to a marginal degradation in the signal quality. (Though I think the screen shot guy was actually serious.)

 

[Vampire Baseball]

I assumed that the changed physics were due to Mario having a fatter sprite in the All Stars versions.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Am I the only one who prefers SMW over SMB3?

 

[Danielsan]

Am I the only one who prefers SMW over SMB3?

No. It's clearly the superior Mario game.

 

[InfiniteNine]

Am I the only one who prefers SMW over SMB3?

Yes.

 

[DukeTogo1300]

Am I the only one who prefers SMW over SMB3?

I hold them about even, though I think Yoshi's Island edges out both for me.

 

[Game Guru]

Aren't those the kinds of people who would be posting on here though? It's not just Mario, so many people here seem to know nothing more than your average joe shmuck on here about anything game related! (go see the Nintendo Download and the Nintendo Q1 2012 releases threads with the masses of people who thought that Kirby's Block Ball was a brand new 3DS game when it was on Nintendo's last release list (when in actuality it's a VC re-release on 3DS)

I mean, come on! That's hardly an obscure game! People posting on here should know stuff like this!

People on GAF likely care more about Halo Physics than Mario Physics.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

I'm with the OP on All-Stars not feeling as tight as the NES originals, but you should just let the kids play it the way it was designed. Maybe they'd prefer it that way? I'd be most suprised if they piped up with a complaint about the physics.
As giant robot said,"what's a fisik? Nevermind, Mario is a frog now! Weeee!"

 

[XANDER CAGE]

People on GAF likely care more about Halo Physics than Mario Physics.

You know, more and more it feels like most people here on GAF aren't even hardcore gamers at all. So many people here know absolutely nothing about even the most popular of games!

This patch is quite the game changer, but I'd still prefer to play the NES original (it still has a better aesthetic IMO, which still makes it the better version, even with the physics at parity)

Plus Lost Levels SNES is still pussified compared to the NES original (per level saving, World 9 being easier etc)

Gaf just ain't what it used to be, I tells ya.

Oh, you get me ready with your new 360
Why don't we go and play an old game?
Take cover get a headshot
Your gamerscore keeps rising
And Bros. 3 goes unplayed
I will play Gradius, if you like chest high walls

Where is my Sonic CD?
Where is my classic fun?
Where is my impossible ending?
Where have all the hardcores gone?

Why don't you stay the evening
Kick back and play some Gears 3
And I'll play something you can't beat
Oh, I know your thumb hurts from playing Angry Birds
How do you like your Game Fuel, my sweet?
I will patch the physics, if you like chest high walls

We are playing Mario Bros tonight
But you don't, you don't even notice bricks, oh oh
Say goodbye, say goodbye, say goodbye

We finally sold the GameCube when we had a bricked 360
And you wanted to play Halo 3
You made friends on NeoGAF
you shot them with a BAR
Most every single day of the week

I will watch The Wizard, if you like chest high walls

Where is my obsessive man?
Where is his sense of fun?
Where is my ROM hacker?
Where have all the hardcores gone?

Yippee ya, yippee yay
Yippee ya, yippee yay
Yippee ya, yippee yay
Yippee ya, yippee yay...

 

[DukeTogo1300]

I'm with the OP on All-Stars not feeling as tight as the NES originals, but you should just let the kids play it the way it was designed. Maybe they'd prefer it that way? I'd be most suprised if they piped up with a complaint about the physics.
As giant robot said,"what's a fisik? Nevermind, Mario is a frog now! Weeee!"

FYI, that cruel comic strip is part of an ongoing overreaction to what the OP actually intended to say. Nobody is forcing kids to adhere to their vision of ultimate Mario physics, the exchange with the kids is merely what inspired him to dig around for a possible All-Stars patch.

And on that note, just because they are kids doesn't mean they couldn't possibly be interested in this stuff. I still remember being about 8 and having my uncle show me how he hacked his Doom cfg to speed up the machine gun, and that just blew my mind. I may have screwed a few things up here and there, but it wasn't that difficult for me to make tangible changes to the game through editing, and I loved it.

Just like some of GAF will never give a fuck about Mario physics, some kids will be fascinated with tinkering with games. He's not forcing it on them, but if he shows it to them so what?

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

FYI, that cruel comic strip

I can't speak for the Sonic strip, but my intention was never to make fun of anyone. I was poking fun at the concept of someone doing this. I know that the OP did not mean that. And, you know what? If I offended him, or By Gosh Golly, any of you, I apologize.

 

[DukeTogo1300]

I can't speak for the Sonic strip, but my intention was never to make fun of anyone. I was poking fun at the concept of someone doing this. I know that the OP did not mean that. And, you know what? If I offended him, or By Gosh Golly, any of you, I apologize.

Sincerely, my bad. It might not have been fair or intentional to explicitly label the comic as cruel like I did, but the contents of the comic and similarly themed posts seem to be the only reality some latecomers glean from the thread. I wasn't trying to blame, just going for a little clarity.

 

[Version 3.0]

I'm with the OP on All-Stars not feeling as tight as the NES originals, but you should just let the kids play it the way it was designed. Maybe they'd prefer it that way? I'd be most suprised if they piped up with a complaint about the physics.
As giant robot said,"what's a fisik? Nevermind, Mario is a frog now! Weeee!"

I think the frog physics are okay. Only Mario 1 & Lost Levels were messed up. So you can safely allow your kids to play Mario 2 & 3. If you let them play #1, you risk them later claiming the original has backwards physics, and the next thing you know, you're being arrested for domestic violence.

 

[Boney]

can't believe people are complaining about this

mad props op!

 

[tronic307]

Edit: Wrong thread, my bad.

 

[Wario64]

I hope 7th cares enough through all these years to respond to this reply

 

[Coffee Dog]

how do you not notice you're attempting to participate in a three year old discussion?

 

[Alo81]

how do you not notice you're attempting to participate in a three year old discussion?

This thread was linked from another active thread. They probably meant to post there and accidentally did it here.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

This thread was linked from another active thread. They probably meant to post there and accidentally did it here.

Good thing they did. Hello, physics patch.