ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
I'm in better shape than Superman. Cool.
This is secretly John Travolta's plan to be next Superman.
I'm in better shape than Superman. Cool.
Your classification is emblematic of the problem.
That fat Black Panther looks way more menacing than on the actual cover.
Yeah to the fast food joints.
I mean, if people are arguing that very fit and muscular bodies in these pages are harmful, then anything goes.
We live in a world where noting someone is morbidly obese is a worse problem than that person being morbidly obese. I know which I consider the more pressing issue.
No, we live in a world where being a shitty bully to fat people has been disingenuously normalized as being "concerned about people's health." I know if I had a choice between associating with a fat person and associating with the kind of person who shits on a fat fictional character because how dare a fat person who's been made to feel like shit have an escape every once in awhile, I'd choose the former every time.
What gets classified as "being a shitty bully" is apparently very broad, then.
In this thread:
It's becoming VERY obvious who lives in the US and who doesn't.
Are the 'average' people in the US really that big? Because if I go with Australia, the 'average' people are relatively slim. I'd say the same with Asia, especially Japan since I often go there.
EDIT: according to the article above, US, Saudi Arabia and Egypt have some of the most obese population.
The average Australian is definitely not thin. Maybe relatively to the US? By a little bit?Are the 'average' people in the US really that big? Because if I go with Australia, the 'average' people are relatively slim. I'd say the same with Asia, especially Japan since I often go there.
EDIT: according to the article above, US, Saudi Arabia and Egypt have some of the most obese population.
Their bodies aren't what makes them a hero. Lois Lane is a hero in her own right in the Superman books.
What gets classified as "being a shitty bully" is apparently very broad, then.
Whenever a fat character is portrayed as okay or in a positive light, getting comments like "oh so we're acting like this is okay" gets tiring. Being overweight isn't wrong or something to be shamed about. I see so many "unhealthy" things glamorized in comics and movies but apparently overweight people comfortable as themselves is some sort of affront.
And this isn't targeted at you, but you'd have to be blind not see that fat shaming is generally considered okay by a lot of people.
The image on the left isn't even how Black Widow is depicted in her own book. It's a 1 in 50 variant cover by cheesecake artist J. Scott Campbell. No average comic book reader is going to actually see that cover in a store shelf, and it's really intellectually dishonest of them to use that cover as an example when Marvel's depictions of their female characters have actually been very good as of late.
Looked it up, Black Widow is a special ops agent and worked undercover as a ballerina (that part I read in her bio). Don't think the pic on the right would fly with her work descirption.
But numbers wise, they are not the average American. Before we get into arguments about BMI here are the government's numbers:Fit, athletic people exist.
More than 2 in 3 adults are considered to be overweight or obese.
More than 1 in 3 adults are considered to be obese.
More than 1 in 20 adults are considered to have extreme obesity.
About one-third of children and adolescents ages 6 to 19 are considered to be overweight or obese.
More than 1 in 6 children and adolescents ages 6 to 19 are considered to be obese.
In this context, the argument is because it's kinda nonsensical. Active individuals, athletes. There is a reason why they look like they do. And not just biologically- carrying extraneous bodyfat can be a burden in a lot of sports, hence the need to diet down. I'm not saying that all superheroes being at 5-10% bodyfat is normal, but neither is 30%+ like these covers.
But numbers wise, they are not the average American. Before we get into arguments about BMI here are the government's numbers
It's literally a variant cover some artists made for body positivity. You aren't going to start seeing fat superheroes on every comic book cover. People are getting super overdefensive about this.
But numbers wise, they are not the average American. Before we get into arguments about BMI here are the government's numbers:
So their stated aim of toning superheroes to meet the average seems to be correct?
Because some people in a room at some recovery gig thought it would be an interesting or enlightening exercise? (heh heh heh) I don't know, that's what they said in the press release anyways.But why should that even be the case?
But if their goal is to portray the average american, the average american is not athletic, ergo, per se, they will produce overweight reflections of overweight numbers. It's representative of their stated goal, right?Meaning- if they're modeled after people biologically, then they would likely be closer to your MMA fighters and swimmers than your ex-football playing couch uncle who does nothing but complain about the good old days.
But numbers wise, they are not the average American. Before we get into arguments about BMI here are the government's numbers:
So their stated aim of toning superheroes to meet the average seems to be correct?
But if their goal is to portray the average american, the average american is not athletic, ergo, per se, they will produce overweight reflections of overweight numbers. It's representative of their stated goal, right?
I believe the article title uses the word realistic, where they do not:Realistic =/= average
They chose their words carefully. "Superheroes edited to look like the average American" and "Superheroes edited to look realistic" carry very different connotations.
Recovery.org, an organization that offers resources for people with mental health and/or substance abuse issues, is making those ”perfect" bodies a little more realistic by ”reverse photoshopping" illustrations of some of the most iconic superheroes. According to Recovery.org, ”reverse photoshop" simply means reimagining what superheroes would look like ”if their bodies matched the body of the average viewer" in the U.S.
You're not wrong, but as a meal-clapping American
I believe the article title uses the word realistic, where they do not:
While the Black Panther is often depicted as an extremely muscular, large man in his black, skin tight spandex, a real-life version would probably have a wider waistline, a fuller face, and far less muscle definition. In fact, hed probably look more like a hibernation-ready black bear than a panther.
While often depicted with overly large breasts and a tight waistline, Scarlet Witchs physical characterizations dont always line up with reality. While Wanda is often drawn as a woman who might weigh slightly over 130 pounds, the average woman in the U.S. now weighs more than 166 pounds.
Averages are real I hear you though."Real"/"reality" shows up all over the original post:
I believe the article title uses the word realistic, where they do not:
While the Black Panther is often depicted as an extremely muscular, large man in his black, skin tight spandex, a real-life version would probably have a wider waistline, a fuller face, and far less muscle definition. In fact, hed probably look more like a hibernation-ready black bear than a panther.
Superman, a great American hero, is never depicted to his audience in a way that reflects the reality of their physiques.
Scarlet Witchs physical characterizations dont always line up with reality. While Wanda is often drawn as a woman who might weigh slightly over 130 pounds, the average woman in the U.S. now weighs more than 166 pounds.
Nobody wants to watch a fat James Bond.
If they were "realistic" then they wouldn't be superheroes would they? I'm pretty sure superheroes are, by definition, unrealistic. If you can show me a real guy flying around and lifting buildings and shit, then we can talk about making superheroes look more "realistic". What's next, aliens have to look more like people?
Someone literally looked at an apparently well-written comic that just so happens to star an overweight woman and said it's condoning a bad lifestyle choice, implying it might give fat people the wrong idea. GAF has said on multiple occasions that fat people should be shamed out of their lifestyles. GAF refuses to entertain any potential psychological roadblocks and pratfalls that can accompany the issue of obesity within people who aren't obese due to an overt health issue and instead tends to insist it's all about will-power and self-discipline.
This is not caring. This is not helpful. This trends towards bullying behavior. And maybe I could entertain that some part of it wasn't based in the cultural norm that says fat people are okay to mock if the behavior was consistent with similar disgust to other unhealthy behaviors in fiction, but it's not. No one acts like this with fictional characters who smoke, display poor dietary choices like ingesting tons of sugar, or who lead otherwise generally sedentary lifestyles.
As an obese dude who is making an effort to diet and exercise because I actually want to be healthy at some point, the amount of rage GAF has at the thought of fat people is really fucking weird. It's the one part of an otherwise extremely accepting community that is really offputing. Calm down guys. No one is going to look at these and think "Gee, I guess it's okay to be fat now!"
There are legitimate actors who've played these rolls. You can't get more realistic than real people. There's no need to fatten them up because you shouldn't be comparing yourself to a cartoon.