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Todd Howard: 2 new games 'bigger than anything we've ever done', also new mobile game
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Zombie James
Banned
I agree they need a new engine, but every time I think about it I wonder what the point is when they keep dumbing down their games the way they do. It'll just be a prettier version of a shallower experience.
Dandy Lyin
Member
Yeah, but it's Bethesda. It's not going to be well-written.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
"We are proud to announce we have once again learned absolutely nothing from our last game"
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Skyrim Tamriel Worldspace: 3808 x 3008 [ 119 x 94 TES4 size cells ] = 6.9km x 5.4km = 37.6 sq km = 14.5 sq miles
Oblivion Cyrodiil Worldspace: 4288 x 4128 [ 134 x 129 TES4 size cells ] = 7.7km x 7.4km = 57 sq km = 22 sq miles
Morrowind Vvardenfell World: 2688 x 2816 [ 84 x 88 TES4 size cells ] = 4.8km x 5km = 24 sq km = 9.3 sq miles
Fallout3 Wasteland Worldspace: 6304x6400 [ 197 x 200 TES4 size cells ] = 11.3km x 11.5km = 130 sq km = 50 sq miles
Fallout New Vegas WastelandNV: 4096x4128 [ 128 x 129 TES4 size cells ] = 7.3km x 7.4km = 54 sq km = 21 sq miles
Perhaps they should look back at Morrowind and wonder why their smallest world size, when used with good environmental design, the lack of quest markers, and limited fast-travel created their best game yet. Take Gothic as an inspiration too. The first game for instance is a very small world, but its use of elevation, and good environmental design created a very memorable place. Exploration was meaningful. You would often discover new paths to areas you hadn't seen the first time. Learning the layout of the map, and the paths to and from each camp was an important part of the game. That sense of place is something Bethesda has lost sight of. Not to mention the other aspects of world-building.
Skyrim Tamriel Worldspace: 3808 x 3008 [ 119 x 94 TES4 size cells ] = 6.9km x 5.4km = 37.6 sq km = 14.5 sq miles
Oblivion Cyrodiil Worldspace: 4288 x 4128 [ 134 x 129 TES4 size cells ] = 7.7km x 7.4km = 57 sq km = 22 sq miles
Morrowind Vvardenfell World: 2688 x 2816 [ 84 x 88 TES4 size cells ] = 4.8km x 5km = 24 sq km = 9.3 sq miles
Fallout3 Wasteland Worldspace: 6304x6400 [ 197 x 200 TES4 size cells ] = 11.3km x 11.5km = 130 sq km = 50 sq miles
Fallout New Vegas WastelandNV: 4096x4128 [ 128 x 129 TES4 size cells ] = 7.3km x 7.4km = 54 sq km = 21 sq miles
Perhaps they should look back at Morrowind and wonder why their smallest world size, when used with good environmental design, the lack of quest markers, and limited fast-travel created their best game yet. Take Gothic as an inspiration too. The first game for instance is a very small world, but its use of elevation, and good environmental design created a very memorable place. Exploration was meaningful. You would often discover new paths to areas you hadn't seen the first time. Learning the layout of the map, and the paths to and from each camp was an important part of the game. That sense of place is something Bethesda has lost sight of. Not to mention the other aspects of world-building.
Electret
Member
Can't wait for another serving of Gamebryo dressed up as something more. The longer they use that POS, the farther their next games fall behind the competition, particularly with respect to visuals and animation. F4 was a new low relative to other games released in its time frame.
What's the financial incentive, anyway? Their games sell absurdly. They can (and likely will) shit out a bug-ridden, janky, technically outdated product that will sell in droves.
What's the financial incentive, anyway? Their games sell absurdly. They can (and likely will) shit out a bug-ridden, janky, technically outdated product that will sell in droves.
Stiler
Member
No, it's still gamebyro, they just renamed their version of it. The framework is the same as before, which is why it still suffers from the usual jankyness in its engine related issues.
LinkSlayer64
Member
Perhaps by tech they also mean software tech.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Bigger does that mean better. Dragon age was bigger but sone of that traversing rocks and blocked areas was super annoying. Get better on focus and detail to make me want to go through areas with more immersion and care.
Evil Monkey DTT
Banned
Bigger isn't better, fallout 4 had so many problems and killed my intrest in their games. I would rather have smaller and defined then "bigger".
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Not trusting Bethesda on anything unless they use proper engines like idTech, CryEngine and Unreal.
Chris Metal
Member
"Our next two games are so big you'll feel like a quest designer and QA tester at Bethesda all in one"
"Our motto... Become the Code, So real its like being a character in Westworld"
"Our motto... Become the Code, So real its like being a character in Westworld"
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
I feel the opposite. Their games have obviously been drifting towards a streamlined, and designed by committee output thats more and more off putting to me. They rake in the dollars though, I guess thats all that matters.
Soldiussnaku
Member
What, like a relatively bug free,rock solid stable, non too glitchy game world? Yes, I can clearly see how the tech isn't currently there, *cough*, for Beth to achieve such lofty tech goals in their games...
I kid I kid. Even with bullshit merchant Howard at the wheel I fucking love Beth games, bugs and all. I'll catch fire for this but f4 has a fantastic game world and shooting gameplay, plus I like the streamlined rpg mechanics, *dodges bullets*
Oh and thanks for pointing out how dense my view is without providing why that is or even better offering what cannot be achieved with top end current tech!
I mean, it's such a nothing statement. What can't he do? If he just clarified the statement a little then that would have been great! Is it real time ray tracing? Full realtime GI? Thousands of fully unique ai driven npcs? Perfect vr Vr locomotion? Incredibly advanced companion ai? Fully featured dynamic world building algorithms? Are they looking to evoke dagerfall and craft a ginormous world, but in 3D?
When games like W3 , watch dogs 2, mad max, UC4 and even no mans sky use current tech to perform small micracles Todd Howard's claim kinda smells like BS.
It's nothing but stuff! Meaningless,empty stuff that serves no purpose! But it's the best stuff! It's the best stuff that has ever been!
Lord of Castamere
Member
Maybe with two games at once Emil "Arrow in the knee/ Trapped in a Fridge-Horror For a Billion years" Pagliarulo won't be able to head one of them.
Perfect first post. Not expecting much out of these, but I'd love to be surprised. With so many terrific and polished experiences out there, it's hard to get hype for more Bethesda half-assed jank.
Bolivar687
Banned
There's nothing out there like Bethesda games!
Themacabre
Member
Omg lol. It would be awesome if that was it
Yeah, pretty much. Not just disconnected, it is stuff that actively goes against the world design.
They certainly enjoy building theme parks, but they do the equivalent of putting Mickey Mouse in the middle of Pirates of the Caribbean.
ZombieSupaStar
Member
It gave us New Vegas, Ill allow Fallout 3.
A retread to Morrowind style, eg no quest markers, may be commercial suicide for Beth's budget in this era of mass convenience.
Methinks Beth shouldn't do it but an AA developer can pick up the mantle.
Absurd when they're clearly working on Star Tropics revival on Switch.
letmetrythisname
Member
Two games bigger than Daggerfall?
Schnozberry
Member
I look forward to playing these games after the first several patches and mod community make them playable.
The problem with the world size of Morrowind is that once you remove all the fog, you can literally see from place to place from your current location. I feel the crawling speed of movement combined with the fog gave a false sense of distance and discovery.
Neither a NASA tech would be enough knowing them.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Oh cool, they doubled their writer staff so they now got two writing a boring story for their games.
The problem I have with Bethesda is that they are clearly a better publisher than developer. Their games do not have the same pull as the ones others make for them. Fallout: New Vegas was a vastly superior Fallout and RPG game than anything Bethesda has made. Dishonored has better sneaking and melee than the Elder Scrolls games of Bethesda. Doom and Wolfenstein: The New Order are better shooters than Fallout 4.
I am more interested when I hear Bethesda is publishing a new game cause clearly they have a talent for spotting the good stuff there. I am way more excited about the new Prey being published by Bethesda and not developed by them than I am by anything Bethesda could announce as their own.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
They keep me away on engine and some gameplay issues. Hope to god they don't give me the large levels of da in me. Big is cool but not like that (bioware)
Had more fun in the large homes and path levels, dungeons etc
Honestly. The engine was the least of Fallout 4's problems.
In the context of why people are not that excited about a new Bethesda game? Sure.
So you want to get cryogenically frozen? That's some commitment, right there.