JustAnotherOtaku
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So maybe this is why Gal Gun was having those mysterious issues a while back?
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Tokyo Manga Ban Signed Into Law(affects games as well)
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Augemitbutter
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jamesinclair said:
what :lol
i guess women with small boobs are screwed then.
Mr. B Natural
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Wonder if that stuff is going to find sanctuary in other countries.
Haunted
Member
It'll be replaced with more zany variety shows so people won't have to think about such unhealthy topics anymore.John said:damnit, of course japan would outlaw law and order svu
But seriously, while I'm glad that something has been done to make these loli and incest and rape mangas etc illegal, the wording in this seems to be much too vague to be acceptable without restraints, opening the doors to all sorts of political shenanigans.
distantmantra said:
Ah, I stand mistaken - however I guess I was mainly speaking about manga, anime and doujin games.
V_Arnold said:
Yes, but I did not liken them in any relative value, to how they may be viewed or discerned upon in moral terms, or in terms of objection based on the viewer.
I likened them based on the fact that any and all forms of pornography have been shown to correlate with a lower rate of sex crime. I don't care what it is. You are I can say that it's disgusting or wrong, but if it doesn't hurt anyone, and the consumption of it is harmless on society, who cares if somebody else happens to like it? I wouldn't have a problem with somebody even viewing real child pornography; my objection to it comes from the fact that it creates a victim (since a victim is needed for it's creation). For that reason alone it should forever remain illegal. But I can't on any terms see any real objection to fictional art (drawings, games, anime ect...) with explicit content, no matter what they may be. Give it a rating system if necessary, restrict the sales to certain age groups. But there is no need for censorship - especially what we are talking about here, the censorship of non-explicit sexuality, and of depictions of illegal activity in unrated entertainment. It's just fucked up.
Busaiku said:
This is where I'm now confused. I am correct in that this ban law will only be affecting stuff sold to minors? This obviously isn't talking about all the adult comics/games out there, so the issue is what...wanting to ban content being sold to minors? Is there seriously a problem with shounen manga having a huge pravelence of content like RAPE AND INCEST that this is really going to be an issue? :lol Or is it like they are going to go after fan service-type stuff too?
Really, if this just means they are going to clamp down on manga/games that are released without ratings for 18 or over, I don't see what the big deal is. It doesn't even appear to be censorship since it would be fine to make whatever content you want as long as its rated properly, is that correct?
Extollere said:
Let's not forget that this is the same country that censors their porn.
Dreamgazer
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Wow...this thread has needlessly gone overboard.
1)Any legitimate moonspeaker would know that Sankaku Complex should never be quoted for anything. The site is garbage.
2)Reuter is correct that this is a ban on the sale to minors of comics and film depicting "extreme sexual acts" including rape, incest and child sex.
3)Materials that contain those questionable things will just be labeled as 18+/for adults.
So this topic no longer applies to people who were hoping that they would "ban the sick stuff". Hentai manga and games are still legal as long as they are properly labeled.
4) Major publishers are protesting this since the law means that alot of the stuff that they get away with are now going to be considered pornographic material. One of the worse offenders of this is Akita Shoten, which publishes stuff like Aki Sora and my favorite - Cuvie's Nightmare Maker.:lol
(And in all honesty they really shouldn't be getting away this. Some of their stuff is more hardcore than your typical h-manga.)
5)The law is an area of concern due to its approach and how vague "extreme/illegal sexual acts" and "glorification/exaggeration of non-marriage leading sexual activities" are defined
This is especially problematic in cases where proponents of this act - altered or doctor images, content and materials to make non-sexual material seems suggestive. The avatar sex scene would have made the movie a "porno flick" by some proponents of this law.
6)The law will kill off creative freedom to some degree. I don't see how anyone can argue against this.
A clockwork orange/catcher in the rye would essentially be a "porn book" under this law.
7)This new law is different from the 09 proposal which focuses mainly on "child pornography" and "internet pornography.
The emphasis now is "illegal sexual activity" and "sexual activities that could not lead to marriage" (incest, homosexual)
1)Any legitimate moonspeaker would know that Sankaku Complex should never be quoted for anything. The site is garbage.
2)Reuter is correct that this is a ban on the sale to minors of comics and film depicting "extreme sexual acts" including rape, incest and child sex.
3)Materials that contain those questionable things will just be labeled as 18+/for adults.
So this topic no longer applies to people who were hoping that they would "ban the sick stuff". Hentai manga and games are still legal as long as they are properly labeled.
4) Major publishers are protesting this since the law means that alot of the stuff that they get away with are now going to be considered pornographic material. One of the worse offenders of this is Akita Shoten, which publishes stuff like Aki Sora and my favorite - Cuvie's Nightmare Maker.:lol
(And in all honesty they really shouldn't be getting away this. Some of their stuff is more hardcore than your typical h-manga.)
5)The law is an area of concern due to its approach and how vague "extreme/illegal sexual acts" and "glorification/exaggeration of non-marriage leading sexual activities" are defined
This is especially problematic in cases where proponents of this act - altered or doctor images, content and materials to make non-sexual material seems suggestive. The avatar sex scene would have made the movie a "porno flick" by some proponents of this law.
6)The law will kill off creative freedom to some degree. I don't see how anyone can argue against this.
A clockwork orange/catcher in the rye would essentially be a "porn book" under this law.
7)This new law is different from the 09 proposal which focuses mainly on "child pornography" and "internet pornography.
The emphasis now is "illegal sexual activity" and "sexual activities that could not lead to marriage" (incest, homosexual)
Dreamgazer
Member
MrDoctor said:
Ban has no effect on games.
Dreamgazer said:
Man, I enjoy Aki Sora, which, now that you mention it, it contains incest, latent homosexuality, sexual coercion as part of its story and the sexual acts are all between underage people, as they are all highschoolers. It's going to go down in flames! Although it is pretty "tame" in the way everything is shown, especially considering the themes of the story.
And you remind me that I should check out Nightmare Maker. I love Cuvie's works, be it normal stuff like Dorothea or h stuff, but I have no idea in which camp that one falls.
hosannainexcelsis
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Why would Clannad be affected? It has no sex whatsoever.2San said:
Except implied after Tomoya marries Nagisa and they have a daughter, but nothing to freak anyone out there.
As far as my feelings about this law, I'll need to have a better understanding of what exactly it entails before I make up my mind. I detest child porn in any form (though photographic porn should be the first area of concern before imaginary porn), but it sounds vague enough to be used as a limit on proper artistic expression in the wrong hands.
plagiarize
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child porn shouldn't be illegal because we don't like what it depicts. it should be illegal because it's creation involves actual child mollestation, and trying to buy it/consume it creates a demand for the material that can't be made without child mollestation.hosannainexcelsis said:
drawing anything shouldn't be illegal in any way shape or form.
this may only be classification, but it's the same sort of classification that leads to slanted rating systems which limit artistic freedom directly and indirectly.
so good old fashioned straight sex is fine, but oh dear we don't want to promote any gayness now do we that wouldn't do! we don't want our kids catching the gay. lets have them masterbating over 'normal' sexual acts that lead to marriage (whatever the hell that means).
DisenLedZep
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There was always something pretty scary about a videogame/manga where a loli girl/boy gets raped by tentacles...
I think I'm a pretty open minded guy... but that is crossing some serious line...
So, in all, I agree 100% with this decision.
I think I'm a pretty open minded guy... but that is crossing some serious line...
So, in all, I agree 100% with this decision.
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
This is not a ban on illegal behavior. This is a ban on depictions of immoral behavior.ULTROS! said:
That vague wording directly to Japanese ultranationalists. Which of course isn't surprising.
Dreamgazer
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Extollere said:
It won't be pathetic anymore once you become a politician who is constantly asked:
"WHY THE HECK IS OUR BIRTH RATE SO DAMN LOW?"
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
Lyte Edge said:
Gal Gun Shooter is apparently having troubles being published for the 360. The game has pantsu showing something and Microsoft doesn't want that.
Hellsing321
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loli/incest/rape/whateversickshityoucanthinkof hentai is not banned from this. In fact, its not even affect by this since it was already 18+ to begin with. This affects everything that wasn't classified as porn. Nothing is actually banned by this. The sale of anime/manga/games to minors that is deemed to be immoral is now illegal.
They basically get classified as porn and must be sold in the adults only section of stores(If they have them). In effect it is a ban since publishers won't want to publish works that they can't sell to a wider audience and only certain stores actually carry adults only material. Its like a game being rated AO here. Wal-mart won't carry it so its basically dead in the water.
We don't know what will actually fall under this law, but the law is so vague pretty much anything could fall under it.
They basically get classified as porn and must be sold in the adults only section of stores(If they have them). In effect it is a ban since publishers won't want to publish works that they can't sell to a wider audience and only certain stores actually carry adults only material. Its like a game being rated AO here. Wal-mart won't carry it so its basically dead in the water.
We don't know what will actually fall under this law, but the law is so vague pretty much anything could fall under it.
Father_Brain
Banned
plagiarize said:
I agree completely. I'm against just about any law that has a potential chilling effect on freedom of speech or artistic expression, no matter how personally repulsive I might find said content. Even the most repugnant ideas shouldn't be legally restricted, as long as they're just ideas.
The implications for gay content are perhaps the most disturbing aspect of this bill, though.
A few things to note:
A) Please never ever ever use Sankaku as a news source ever. Not only is it inappropriate to link a porn site on NeoGAF, but it is also a terrible site to use for accurate news reporting or any sort of actual information not tainted by nonsense/bias/lulz/lies/etc.
B) Fuck Ishihara, fuck his bigoted face, fuck his racist DNA cock, and fuck all the conservative fuck heads who somehow keep him in politics. Fuck him.
A) Please never ever ever use Sankaku as a news source ever. Not only is it inappropriate to link a porn site on NeoGAF, but it is also a terrible site to use for accurate news reporting or any sort of actual information not tainted by nonsense/bias/lulz/lies/etc.
B) Fuck Ishihara, fuck his bigoted face, fuck his racist DNA cock, and fuck all the conservative fuck heads who somehow keep him in politics. Fuck him.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Dreamgazer said:
They'll have to pry my yuri from my cold, dead hands!
charlequin
Banned
I'm going to continue to try to compile more informative links on this topic to try to make sure we can discuss the realities of the bill as much as possible, but just as a general reminder: don't ever link to Sankaku Complex from GAF, period.
plagiarize
Banned
i'm against any restrictions on speech, but espescially when they're based purely on moral outrage.Father_Brain said:
demonstrate the harm this material has done, and then we can talk, but until it can be done there shouldn't be a discussion.
people always turn this into an issue of 'well i don't read that sick stuff, who would want to?' but that isn't how free speech works and nor should it be.
the question everyone needs to ask themselves is this:
do you trust anyone else to tell you what you should and shouldn't read? these 'think of the children' moves always end up restricting content for adults too, and the 'think of the children' argument never seems to require any evidence of any harm being done to the kids.
it's infuriating.
Dreamgazer
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charlequin said:
Personally I feel this thread should be moved to OT and have the "affects gaming" as well part removed from the title. So far the law has no effect on gaming at all.
I would also be interested in helping out the compilation of legitimate links if needed.
thetrin said:
Yeah, I don't know what's going on in Tokyo, but considering how many younger generation Japanese there are in Tokyo (it's the main city for christsakes) it's amazing how non-progressive the actual government is in the city. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON GUYS. WAKE UP.
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
duckroll said:Yeah, I don't know what's going on in Tokyo, but considering how many younger generation Japanese there are in Tokyo (it's the main city for christsakes) it's amazing how non-progressive the actual government is in the city. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON GUYS. WAKE UP.
It's a cultural viewpoint bred into them that focuses them on financial security and wealth, and not on political activism and individual freedom.
Shit, individual freedom. When was the last time you met a Japanese person who cared about that?
Living in Japan for three years, I only had a few friends that cared at all about that, and they were all "fringe society" types, growing up from chimpira culture or something equally "abnormal".
charlequin
Banned
Dreamgazer said:
Based on the coverage from Dan Kanemitsu's blog, that's not true:
Since the bill as written covers "pictures" and "animation" (but not photography or live-action film) it would seem to also cover computer-illustrated-or-animated content contained within video games as well.
As best I can tell from this write-up, the bill does not in fact create any additional restrictions regarding homosexuality, but it would potentially make any works including themes of rape or incest "adults only" even if no explicit content is included as long as they fall into the extraordinarily vague standard for being "unjustifiably glorified or exaggerated."