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Tomb Raider Definitive Edition - PlayStation 4 = ~60fps, Xbox One = ~30fps
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=97148132&postcount=564
Those are video comparisons so they're not about IQ but look at edges like her shoulders and arms, they're smoother on the PC due to tessellation. (There's also that boob pic haha) Also you can see more hair threads on the first TressFX.
I think her actual body textures are better on the Definitive Edition though, even if it looks a bit "pasty". 4K textures do make a difference. (Who would have thunk)
CosmicGroinPull
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Yeah, pretty much my experience with the PS3, lol. Although I still had my PC for those multiplatform titles that bothered to port it. There were titles like RE5 and RDR though. Still, you won't miss what you don't know.
It just ruins what little credibility he has, which is really hard to have nowadays in gaming journalism I guess.
http://www.examiner.com/article/titanfall-graphics-textures-clarified-by-respawn-entertainment
Apparently some people were complaining about textures so Respawn addressed it.
K
kittens
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I dunno, make a thread and see what people think.
TrojanBlade
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This is the way. Same as last gen only Sony and Microsoft switched places. I'm just glad I like the playstation controller again so it will make this new paradigm easier to accept.
boredandlazy
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*Waits for an IGN youtube comparison video 'showing' there's no difference*.
Fair enough. Just don't understand why he would buy a game he's already 100% just for some achievements and voice commands (which the ps4 has).
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Iono. I think, in the long run:
- People expecting the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 to toe so closely together haven't been paying attention. The writing has been on the wall for awhile now.
- People totally dismissing the Xbox One aren't taking into account how the system will hold up over time. That's not in defence of the current situation, but today's example does not paint a perfectly clear future.
- People thinking or expecting 1080p@60fps will be a standard on PlayStation 4 over the next few years are in for a rude awakening.
I do think it's worth considering, as noted in the article and the information I received both platforms have an unlocked framerate. Yes, the difference is massive, but you're not getting a perfectly locked 60fps on PlayStation 4, nor are you getting a perfectly locked 30fps on Xbox One. It will fluctuate. Info seems to indicate those numbers are the most common though, I think. Xbox One can hit 45fps, it's just super contextual to the scene and only when there's really not much going on.
And in either case, the game is native 1080p. That might not mean much, but we know the Xbox One has issues with native 1920x1080 games. In this case the team handling the port clearly felt getting 1080p up and running smoothly on Xbox One alongside PlayStation 4 was more beneficial than crunching the resolution down to 720p for a framerate boost. End of the day, Tomb Raider Definitive Edition's main goal is to show off the improved assets, scene density, special effects, and image quality over the last generation. Both at 1080p does a better job of that than one at 720p.
- People expecting the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 to toe so closely together haven't been paying attention. The writing has been on the wall for awhile now.
- People totally dismissing the Xbox One aren't taking into account how the system will hold up over time. That's not in defence of the current situation, but today's example does not paint a perfectly clear future.
- People thinking or expecting 1080p@60fps will be a standard on PlayStation 4 over the next few years are in for a rude awakening.
I do think it's worth considering, as noted in the article and the information I received both platforms have an unlocked framerate. Yes, the difference is massive, but you're not getting a perfectly locked 60fps on PlayStation 4, nor are you getting a perfectly locked 30fps on Xbox One. It will fluctuate. Info seems to indicate those numbers are the most common though, I think. Xbox One can hit 45fps, it's just super contextual to the scene and only when there's really not much going on.
And in either case, the game is native 1080p. That might not mean much, but we know the Xbox One has issues with native 1920x1080 games. In this case the team handling the port clearly felt getting 1080p up and running smoothly on Xbox One alongside PlayStation 4 was more beneficial than crunching the resolution down to 720p for a framerate boost. End of the day, Tomb Raider Definitive Edition's main goal is to show off the improved assets, scene density, special effects, and image quality over the last generation. Both at 1080p does a better job of that than one at 720p.
Forceatowulf
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I'll start going to church again if this happens.
KoopaTheCasual
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Don't feel bad, dude. Your box will have exclusives unplayable elsewhere. That alone makes your investment worthwhile. We're not really going "haha Xbone!" here. We're just sort of in disbelief that the gap is this big this early on. o__o
They're totally allowed to do it and I won't judge anyone for buying it because people value things differently. But just like most Apple products, I will always say that they are overpriced.
Yeah, completely understandable as to WHY they did it, but as a consumer I'll voice my concern that they're charging more for the product than they should, but I won't try and stop anyone from buying it.
Well now, you mean the situation ALL of us saw coming a loooong time ago is actually happening? Ya dont saaaaaaaaaaaay.
So wild reading some of those tweets man. There was just no excuse for not seeing this coming. More powerful hardware that isn't a pain in the rear to utilize is going to equal better ports. Whether or not the gap is maintained or widens throughout the gen is sort of irrelevant IMO. A gap like this is large and noticeable and isn't going to be overcome through magic.
There's no FX chip to save them.
So wild reading some of those tweets man. There was just no excuse for not seeing this coming. More powerful hardware that isn't a pain in the rear to utilize is going to equal better ports. Whether or not the gap is maintained or widens throughout the gen is sort of irrelevant IMO. A gap like this is large and noticeable and isn't going to be overcome through magic.
There's no FX chip to save them.
yup yup and yup
I worry what next gen is going to hold. You know they'll be wanting to address 4K, but costs to pump out 4K GFX are going to be high still.
It's going to be the 5th and 7th gen all over again. Where underpowered consoles are going to be trying to render too much just to claim UHD! UHD!
Good post. On a side note, and I know many will disagree, I think it's better they went 1080p/30fps for the Xbox One version over 720p/60fps. Having 1-1 pixel mapping on a big HDTV does make a difference. More than when viewed on a smaller monitor, depending on viewing distances and screen size of course.
hukasmokincaterpillar
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It should. Lead platform meant a lot more when developers were dealing with asymmetrical hardware. Now it's more or less homogenous design, but with a raw unequivocal difference. 18cu vs 12cu should of been the end of any debate. If a PS4 version isn't outperforming, it's gimped.
To be fair though, I didn't even know that framerate was a big deal until I found video game forums. Lots of games dipped low as fuck in frames all my life and it didn't really bother me, just figured it was something everybody accepted.
That being said, I'm really stoked to pick this up on PS4 now, never got around to buying it for PS3, and it will be very nice to play it with pretty graphics and a higher framerate!
That being said, I'm really stoked to pick this up on PS4 now, never got around to buying it for PS3, and it will be very nice to play it with pretty graphics and a higher framerate!
Don't think it has to do with the "drought" (I don't even think there's a game drought but that's just my opinion).
Think the $60 price is due to the lower userbase of the Xbox One and PS4 on top of them probably feeling like many people who already played the game on 360/PS3 wouldn't want to go through it again which further lowers the number of people who would potentially get the game.
The Xbox is nerfed at the hardware and software level. People need to realise that.
What you said. I typed some of this in the other thread, but I'll just add that while I don't think this is obviously going to be the standard on PS4, it's definitely going to be interesting as we progress further into this generation and more and more developers try to push the boundaries. If the gap is already there on the early games without diving into the big advantages even more, it's going to be interesting to see how things play out and which developers go for pushing the strongest system instead of playing it safe and having parity in their games.
The power difference is there, now it's whether the developers think it's worth it. I can't wait to see what the future brings us once GPU compute becomes more common and we start getting some crazy physics and shit since that pushes the boundaries more than subtle post-processing effects.
While not every game will be a 60/30 scenario for the X1, it does paint the picture of the future when we're already seeing this happen on semi-next-gen games (didn't know what else to call it but you know what I mean). A lot of people never even expected a 60/30 scenario to be possible yet it's the case here although resolution will be the most prominent of the bunch I imagine. Hell, I'm just happy some games are hitting these numbers since image quality is the main thing I wanted out of next-gen and 1080p was a must. Good looking 720p games will be acceptable if handled well, but I don't want it to be commonplace on all games since it's a big part of "next-gen" for me as a PC/console gamer.
1080@60 is probably going to be a case by case or game by game thing, but I really hope most can get there. It's probably to much to ask of CDPR to make the Witcher 3 that, but I'm hopeful that Sony devs like ND, SSM, etc will be able to hit that, and that's what matters to me tbh.
Fair enough. In a day of $100-200 special editions I can't complain. Even more so for remembering purchasing $80 N64 carts in 1999 dollars. Thats $114 adjusted to today.
We have it pretty damn good. Quality / quantity is up, cost to us is way down.
I truly feel sorry for Penello.
They are closer than I expected but the low quality captures makes for a difficult comparison here. The boobs are lower tessellation but the straps are identical maybe even smoother on Definitive. I look forward to the comparisons next week.
nice lol
Mass Effect
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Both consoles are not capable of 4k in the practical sense. We may get some 2D game that might be 4k, but don't expect any big budget 3D title to be.
DirgeExtinction
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The Executive Producer(Scot Amos) did mention tessellation in the stream
when he was talking about the ocean by the beach.
anexanhume
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I just assumed we'd gravitate to 720p because it would offer the best balance of resolution, asset quality and affects. You want global illumination and particle effects out the wazoo? Gotta pay for it in resolution.
DirectX will save them. Clearly this game doesn't use anything like that because it'd be a different story otherwise.
I feel bad for him for what he had to convince people of on here but he approached it the wrong way. Admit your weaknesses once while outlining your advantages to some people instead of insisting on feeding people bullshit.
I like to read all about technology and have been following xbox1/ps4 threads even though I may not get either one of them anytime soon.
It is so hard to believe that with the billion dollars Microsoft put into customising and tweaking xbox1 hardware, that they got so soundly beaten by Sony for the performance crown. The only hope Microsoft has, is if the newer game engines have optimisations for its architecture and close the gap in performance, because last gen titles are clearly in PS4's favour by a significant margin.
It is so hard to believe that with the billion dollars Microsoft put into customising and tweaking xbox1 hardware, that they got so soundly beaten by Sony for the performance crown. The only hope Microsoft has, is if the newer game engines have optimisations for its architecture and close the gap in performance, because last gen titles are clearly in PS4's favour by a significant margin.
Raoul Duke
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Well I almost missed this train... this thread is flying fast!
lol did he really try to say such things? I personally feel he has little understanding of what he speaks, but holy smokes.... I wouldn't even expect him to say that. He has to be trolling by now, no one in his position in the industry can be this naive.
lol did he really try to say such things? I personally feel he has little understanding of what he speaks, but holy smokes.... I wouldn't even expect him to say that. He has to be trolling by now, no one in his position in the industry can be this naive.
Oh yeah, in the large scale of things, gaming has never been cheaper. People who think "Oh in the good old days, games only cost $50!" don't take inflation into account.
720P on 1:1 pixel mapped 1080P screen = no bueno
I'd take slighter less tech going on for clear IQ, but I know devs and publishers mostly want to stress the boundaries with flash bang gfx effects.
CambriaRising
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They also didn't have n64s.
But it was also the more expensive system and the system that's more difficult to develop for because of the Cell.
This generation, the PS4 is cheaper, more powerful, and easier to develop for.
I wonder what Richard Leadbetter thinks about all this? We did tell him his Digital Foundry comparisons and Microsoft regurgitated PR articles were completely off point. Really bizarre when ordinary forum posters are sometimes more logical in tech theory and maths compared to actual supposed experts in the field. Though granted some posters on here do actually work in the field. Oh well..
Hopefully this entire last year shows many journalists (who I feel sometimes downplay forums like this) that GAF isn't just a forum full of whiney ignorant posters (though we have that too lol), and in fact, looking past that we have numerous well versed people who in my ways are more in tune and on point with such things compared to actual journalists, tech types and PR people that write for actual tent pole gaming sites or otherwise.
You were better off and better informed reading the GAF tech comparison threads and general threads about these two new consoles than you were reading about them elsewhere, even on gaming sites.
Hopefully this entire last year shows many journalists (who I feel sometimes downplay forums like this) that GAF isn't just a forum full of whiney ignorant posters (though we have that too lol), and in fact, looking past that we have numerous well versed people who in my ways are more in tune and on point with such things compared to actual journalists, tech types and PR people that write for actual tent pole gaming sites or otherwise.
You were better off and better informed reading the GAF tech comparison threads and general threads about these two new consoles than you were reading about them elsewhere, even on gaming sites.
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