Psycho_Mantis
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Skyrim is the bad type of open world imo. Its very sparse.
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Toriyama wants Lightning Returns' open world to beat Skyrim
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GravityMan
Member
He will almost surely fail to get what he wants.
Good grief, this game has "mess" written all over it. And I say that as someone who liked FF13 and FF13-2.
mugurumakensei
Member
Well even Final Fantasy XIII was better than Skyrim so LR shouldn't have any problem.
Thread whining. Incoming ban.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
it damages the brand (which is effects XV and XVI) and sucks up a large amount of finances and resources that could be used for something else.
SoraanTribal
Member
Well, I don't really like Skyrim, so I'm sure LR will beat it in terms of a game for me. But I'm not getting my hopes up on it being some massive and fun world to explore. I swear SE has meetings where they try to find ways to ruin the fun in their games sometimes. Like having a big world, then adding a time limit into it, lol. The joy of having a huge world to explore is we can take our time and explore at our own pace.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Seriously. Why? Why? Why? Why would you make a "massive" open world and then make it impossible to explore most of it? I want to like this game but these design decision make it seem like they are just throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks!
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Then I will happily eat crow. But somehow I doubt it.
Open World design... restrictive time limit.
WHY!?
Chance Hale
Member
Backseat modding isn't much better! And there's hardly much wrong with comparing the tone between a thread full of information about gameplay systems as compared to one very clearly meant to get people hooting and hollering.
Oh well, Lighting threads will bring out the worst in everyone until release.
mugurumakensei
Member
It's more likely than the next Bethesda game being good at least.
My guess? To encourage replays. They also said something about being able to tackle the same objective in different ways/places.
Eudaemonium
Member
Because the game doesn't actually have anywhere close to Skyrim's content. The time-limit artificially restricts how much of the content one can explore in a single playthrough, thus making the game seem grander and larger than it really is.
At least I assume it's something like that.
dragonflys545
Member
I still can't get behind the idea of having just one playable character in a Final Fantasy game...
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
And that's what I assumed a few months back. Padding. But I still held out hope that I was being paranoid.
Deified Data
Banned
Make the game more like Skyrim and less like FFXIII? Sounds like an improvement.
AlberichMX
Member
GamingBolt said:
You didn't like it in Crisis Core?
toastyToast
Member
This doesn't sound so bad. The landscape of Skyrim was very natural aside from a disturbing abundance of crypts containing similarly sized men
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Why does everyone want to look to skyrim for inspiration when I find xenoblade's open world much more superior
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Because $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Perfo is right here. Look how fast Toriyama ridiculous spreads. This has got to start being modded....
Anyway, it's a lofty goal but we will have to see. The world does look pretty large and busy as is. Considering FFXIII was much more fun (and bug free) than Skyrim, LR shouldn't be any worse.
Anyway, it's a lofty goal but we will have to see. The world does look pretty large and busy as is. Considering FFXIII was much more fun (and bug free) than Skyrim, LR shouldn't be any worse.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
yes. if there's one game the Japanese should mimic it is Xenoblade.
Huge game world, but extremely varied with a mind blowing art style.
dark_chris
Gold Member
With a title like Lightning Returns, it's hard to even stomach that shit.
toastyToast
Member
The variety of zones was cool but the actual areas were too big for their own good. The boring ass factory especially
BolognaOni
Member
Wonder if there is a slow-motion mode for chocobo riding...
Man, when I thought I could not be any less interested in FF, it's like they are trying to push me from disinterest to active dislike.
Man, when I thought I could not be any less interested in FF, it's like they are trying to push me from disinterest to active dislike.
I liked each individual tile-set in skyrim, but I don't think there were actually that MANY of them. It was a huge open world full of lots of very similar things.
Set the bar a little higher, Toriyama. Or better yet, just make sure it's better than the last two games. That's all I want.
Set the bar a little higher, Toriyama. Or better yet, just make sure it's better than the last two games. That's all I want.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Cannot be said enough. The scenery in xenoblade and the upcoming is mesmerising.
According to GAF:
Made Final Fantasy 13 a corridor game. Booooo Urns. This is shit, we want open world.
Makes Final Fantasy LR open world. Booo Urns. This is shit. We want something else.
Uses a ton of time on FFXV. Boooo, get your act together.
Uses a bit over a year on LR. Boooo. You should use more time to make it good.
And everyone who has played it (E3) loved the combat, praising it as the best ever. And the tidbits from the other thread was only positives. Get your fricking shit together Gaf. Its getting more and more reddiculuse here every month. With everyone trying to up the previously poster with negative shit. Try to be a little more thoughful in your comments.
Made Final Fantasy 13 a corridor game. Booooo Urns. This is shit, we want open world.
Makes Final Fantasy LR open world. Booo Urns. This is shit. We want something else.
Uses a ton of time on FFXV. Boooo, get your act together.
Uses a bit over a year on LR. Boooo. You should use more time to make it good.
And everyone who has played it (E3) loved the combat, praising it as the best ever. And the tidbits from the other thread was only positives. Get your fricking shit together Gaf. Its getting more and more reddiculuse here every month. With everyone trying to up the previously poster with negative shit. Try to be a little more thoughful in your comments.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Toth, I read and commented on the other section because I'm still interested enough in the game to do so. So did about 30 other people. I think you have to accept that beyond that, there isn't much interest in the game, or at least not enough where people will comment. If people can't complain about the game, they won't even bother reading it (didn't the other couple of threads with info get well under 1,000 views? Versus the over 40,000 that the Lightning cup size one got?).
polyh3dron
Banned
CTRL+F "it's nice to want things"
we're done here.
we're done here.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Final Fantasy XIII was a corridor for 30+ hours. It's fine to like that. A lot of people didn't.
Lightning Returns is being made in under 14 months and has a timer. Open World with a restrictive timer so that you have to replay the game over and over. Please read the fine print next time.
Final Fantasy XV was formerly Final Fantasy Versus XIII which was shown off 7 1/2 years ago. By the time this game finally comes out, it'll be ~9 to 10 years later. "Get your shit together" in regards to info.
Asking that they spend more than 14 months on a game that seems ambitious is hardly a terrible thing to ask.
I said sounds like. If they prove me wrong they prove me wrong.
Square isn't that great at proving people wrong in a good way lately.
Sapphire Dreams
Member
Nobody wants FF to be Sukairimu Toriyama.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
A little off topic, but I recently went to a FFXIII fan forum (yea, I like punishment) and people had actually convinced themselves that Nomura was to blame for the state of SE today. Let's totally forget how the company went under massive restructuring and current projects (Lightning Returns) don't have a clear vision atm. No, let's blame the guy who put too many belts on Lightning's original costume. It's no longer hard to believe how directionless SE seems at the moment, if you just look at how much nonsense the vocal minority spews. I can't with this fanbase sometimes.
Who is GAF?
About time limit, maybe after beating the story you can freely explore the world.
I don't know if it will be a good game overall, but i have this feeling that it could be a decent game gameplay-wise, and i HATED ffxiii gameplay-wise.
But as far as I understood it, of the four major areas in the game, only one of them is actually 'vast' and 'open to exploration'. I remember it said like one was for timed events, one was for puzzle-sort of areas, and stuff like that.
So I'm kind of confused by this Skyrim comparison, it isn't the same sort of game by any stretch of the imagination. I doubt any area in LR will be larger and more open than anything from previous XIII games, Pulse in the first game was a pretty huge map already. When you look at the map that shows up on screen when Lightning runs around the desert, it appears to be smaller than it looks.
Also lol perfo.
A game should not take up to a decade to release. Its poor management, they have been nothing but misguided for an entire generation. They were once considered the biggest pubs in the industry with FF considered a "big event" when ever it released. Compare last gen to now and you realize why people aren't as excited by SE as they use too.
chickdigger802
Banned
from the trailers the game seems to be running as smoothly as skyrim on ps3... so theres that.
corridor or open world are the only options, there is nothing else. certainly final fantasy has never existed in any form but these. There is also no development time between 14 months and 10 years, these are the only options.
also all of gaf is one person.
Almost every one here on Gaf has been jumping on the crazy slow ass development in Japan for the whole gen. (And rightfull so). But when some actually tries to do something about it it is just funny to look at the reaction it gets here.
As for the timer, I really don't see the point of it as well. But they have said that all the extra quests and optional monsters hunting are giving you extra time. So you won't "spend" time doing that.