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Toronto-Age |OT3| Going Off the Rails on a Gravy Train
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Downtown needs the most services and infrastructure. I don't really see how a focus on downtown is a bad thing for a Toronto Mayor. Rob Ford was elected because of his disregard for downtown though, so maybe a downtown focus just isn't a winning issue these days.
The suburbs are the selfish and short sighted ones though, despite being financially well off they don't want to pay for anything that affects downtown. Upgrades to downtown benefit everyone because people from the suburbs go downtown. Upgrades to public transit will reduce congestion for suburban commuters.
I'm glad to see that the Presto pass will be finally implemented by the TTC. I hope this ends up being a huge positive for the public, but I'm sure the TTC is looking to leverage this to get more money out of us.
I'm also glad to see the bag ban being scrapped for now. No one can waste time like Toronto City Council does.
I'm also glad to see the bag ban being scrapped for now. No one can waste time like Toronto City Council does.
No. The extension to the airport via the Eglinton LRT was scrapped when Transit City was originally canned. Eglinton LRT will stop at Black Creek now. Also lost in the fighting over Transit City was the Jane LRT, Waterfront LRT , Don Mills LRT and the section of the Finch LRT from Finch West Station to Finch Station.
The original funded plan.
The plan as it stands now.
So not only is it delayed half a decade, but we receive less than half the cover we originally had. Great job fighting for the people, Fordies.
Amalgamation still working its magic.
Plastic bag bans are more about cosmetics than the environment. People just don't like to see plastic bags blowing around the street or littering parks. The thin plastic bags used at most stores are usually produced by a local company using very little plastic while reusable bags are produced in China using substantially more material and then shipped across the world. You also have to wash the reusable bags if you want them to be sanitary because bacteria build up in them over time. The total energy and resource cost of using both types of bags may actually show that the thin plastic bags produced locally are equal or better for the environment. They can also be recycled easily (if you bother to put the empty bags in the recycling bin) or reused as garbage bags, reducing the purchasing of other garbage bags for garbage. Also, local jobs vs off shoring.
Plastic bag bans are a waste of time and effort. They should focus on transit as the #1 issue for Toronto City Council. Fix that shit already. Rob Ford is either out or discredited. Now is the time to move to reinstate as much of the original Transit City plan as possible. Also, they need to move fast to get the current Liberal government's promised Transit City funding before Hudak and the Conservatives win in 2013 because he would probably kill the deal if it isn't signed before he gets in.
Plastic bag bans are a waste of time and effort. They should focus on transit as the #1 issue for Toronto City Council. Fix that shit already. Rob Ford is either out or discredited. Now is the time to move to reinstate as much of the original Transit City plan as possible. Also, they need to move fast to get the current Liberal government's promised Transit City funding before Hudak and the Conservatives win in 2013 because he would probably kill the deal if it isn't signed before he gets in.
added_time
Member
I think that is a great idea.
The Original plan still required connecting with the TTC Subway? The original plan was cheaped out to begin with.
Yes, they still connected to the subway at multiple locations. What are you looking at? Even Eglinton was planned to be underground through downtown. It's like some sort of myth that Eglinton LRT was going to be above around before Ford saved it.
All the intersecting LRT lines were going to connect to the subway at their appropriate station. For the airport, you would go to Eglinton West, or you would transfer on to the Jane LRT, depending on your destination.
Not sure what was cheap about it, or what you were getting at. How was the original cheap and how is the second plan any better if the first was cheap?
You shouldn't have had to switch to the subway to get downtown. It should have went right to union station. Sure stop at a couple of places along the way for people not going right downtown, but having to switch trains is cheaping out.
Yeah and now we have nothing. Good solution!
Running an LRT out to the region was an extra expense already, given the area doesn't have population density to warrant the service by itself. Having to switch trains is a minor concern compared to having no rail transit to the airport at all.
AlphaTwo00
Member
Toronto Taxi Cabs are a powerful lobby and is why any transit from downtown to the airport won't take flight.
They've stopped back in July!
That is kind of my point. The plan had cost cutting concessions in it to beging with, how in the world did that get scrapped for something even worse?*
*Rob Ford seems to be the answer
There's a direct heavy rail link between the airport and union being built though for that purpose (to be ready in time for the PAN AM GAMES). It's a better approach than putting in light rail with multiple stops as the volume of people heading between Pearson and Union probably justifies the higher speed and greater capacity of heavy rail.
Not without its own controversy as residents along the line want it to be electric and not diesel while the province (MetroLinx) goes NO LOL TOO EXPENSIVE MAYBE UPGRADE LATER.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Rail_Link
Things *are* actually happening in the city. They're just happening in a Three Stooges kind of way.
Most stores have kept with the fee though. I saw so many people getting angry at No Frills cashiers after the 5 cent fee was lifted, because No Frills kept the fee. As if the poor cashier was making the decision. Amazing to see how upset people are over it.
Really? I had no idea. Are some stores still charging it? I could of sworn the last time I got groceries I was charged for the bag.
See post above.
That's nice, except for the part that it's another seperate entity with it's own fare structure. Amalgamate this stuff.
AlphaTwo00
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Yup. T&T, No Frills, Superstore, almost all retailers that "sells green bags" kept with it.
The dream plan was never fully funded. It got pared down to something similar to the current plan long before Ford got his hands on it. The 2008 financial crisis hit, the province dropped the funding from 12 billion to 8 billion, and one they had done further costing of the lines, they discovered that the full design would still cost way too much. Jane, Don Mills, Malvern, Eglinton to the Airport, and Waterfront West all got pushed to an amorphous "phase 2" that was unfunded.
You can blame Ford for 2021 instead of 2015~2018. Also, you can probably blame him for the loss of the Finch LRT all the way to Yonge.
I'd be pretty surprised if this didn't use the Presto card as this is a MetroLinx project and MetroLinx loves Presto.
Most direct airport links are separate from local transit though. I wouldn't expect to have the same fare structure as either GO or TTC. There's nothing wrong with fleecing out of towners though! Shear them clean I say!
Definitely. I wouldn't expect the project to go smoothly, or within budget (none of them do), but I would have liked to have kept all the LRT plans on the table. Now they're never heard of in any meeting. If they were still talked about, at least we could have environmental surveys, community input, pinning for funding and planning all being done as we build the priority lines.
It could have gone better.. to say the least.
ChosenPredator
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looking for a HDTV 399 lowe 1080p with headphone jack ... check tigerdirect but i just see some random no name brands and every name brand doesn't have a headphone jack
Where would you get the money from maaaaaan!
You probably just need some sort of RCA to 3.5mm adapter.
I'm assuming something like this would work:
Don't you lose volume control that way?
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Finally some sense in here. Someone gonna approach this?
Probably depends on the TV (if it has outputs).
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Would we pay token collectors the same?
edit: unrelated to anything in this thread whatsoever: any of you have your moms unfriend you on facebook?
edit: unrelated to anything in this thread whatsoever: any of you have your moms unfriend you on facebook?
BladeWorker
Member
The concept of Presto is awesome. The reality of Presto is something less than awesome. It doesn't work like every other gift card in the country. You buy the card, then you register the card, then you can load the card, you can set a regular trip, but if you deviate, you have to remember to "override", if you re-load the card or auto-reload the card and you happen to be away for seven days, the money transfers back from "holding" into your bank account....Heaven forbid it should work like every other swipe card in the country. I'm also concerned that this "hardware upgrade" that the TTC vehicles are going to get over GO's system will mean I need a second Presto card just to get around...because I wouldn't put it past them to do that.
Anyway, yes, step forward. But OH SO MANY F-UPS to fix before I drink the whole kool aid.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Come on! Have a little faith! Look what happened with our LRTs...
BladeWorker
Member
I have a little faith. Just not a lot. Prove me wrong, Presto! I'd be happy to be wrong on this one.
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The Everyman
valid points. with that said i still love presto cards so far : ]
edit: oh yeah, for a solid month i was tapping the wrong thing (the yellow presto card stations for checking you balance). good thing i never got checked.
I've always wondered why TTC fair media was so ugly. I can see why things might need to be big/shiny to prevent counterfeits and fair evasion, but still. Can't wait for Presto!Well anything that helps bring the TTC to the 21st century can only be a good thing.
Just take our day passes and compare then with the ones from Montreal. It's an utterly embarrassing comparison.
shitty scratch card
vs
thin card that you can just swipe at a terminal.
Also just read this article in Macleans - I thought it was pretty well written. Turns out the writer also wrote a small ebook on Ford called 'The Gift of Ford' that you guys might enjoy. It's a shame he released it before Ford got sacked.
Unknown. Getting to know some acquaintances/friends better who might be interested in rooming next year. One already has a place, another would shop around with me. Ideally somewhere near the core, or a bit further north but still close to Yonge.
Anyone? =/
I like Snakes & Lattes, but it depends on the person.
Nope. I use this adapter sometimes for headphones.
Anyone familiar with any good Brazilian bakeries in the city?
Seconded. Wait times for a table if you don't book ahead can vary wildly depending when you go, though (20 mins - 1.5 hours in my experience).
Seconded. Wait times for a table if you don't book ahead can vary wildly depending when you go, though (20 mins - 1.5 hours in my experience).
I'd definitely thought about it for the future. A little too much for a second night out though, no? Especially a Friday night? Haha. I'd kind of prefer something to reinforce a particular mood if you know what I mean, instead of a well-lit (admittedly awesome/fun) games café.
Appreciate the suggestion though.
It can definitely be an intimate date-like experience! But I see what you mean. Can't offer any other suggestions (hopelessly single) but I'm sure you'll think of something.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Mother-in-law unfriended my wife aka her daughter. In law is not good with computers and frankly I'm surprised she even knows how to log in... she had to go out of her way to find out how to remove her.
Wife is librul in law is conservative.
Doesn't hate her or anything. My wife was just surprised.
It is pretty funny the way she described it to me though...I mean it's your mother! :0
Hell, I think in law is still on MY friend's list...
criesofthepast
Member
Lol. You know I can't remember the last time I ever got checked on the GO train. It's been years and I use it every day.
added_time
Member
I think it's odd to have your parents on Facebook in the first place.
Thats a good cartoon.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cit...l-through-football-season-itineraries-suggest
I think at this point, no one can say this guy was dedicated to his job and was a good mayor.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cit...l-through-football-season-itineraries-suggest
I think at this point, no one can say this guy was dedicated to his job and was a good mayor.
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