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Toshiba officially ends its HD-DVD support

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-=-ONI-=- said:
I'm not saying there won't be cheap BD players (there already are), but the best, hi-end players will still astronomical in price, somewhere between $1000-3000. When it comes to hardware, I don't fuck around, and thats why some cheapie Wal-Mart player won't cut it for me. Blu-Ray won't catchup to DVD anytime soon (thats years away), so the PS3 is most people's best bet.....

The beauty of BD is that video decoding doesn't vary all that much due to the design of the video spec. So the myriad issues seen with DVD (cadence handling - if even there, poorly flagged titles, etc) aren't necessarily applicable.

Obviously player quality, UI, feature-set etc. will still vary ... but if you are using HDMI, the raw A/V abilities likely won't vary as much as with DVD.



That isn't to say I recommend a cheap-ass player, but unless you have specific needs ... the mid-range units should be great.



As far as comparing to DVD pricing ... there are NUMEROUS DVD players that outprice (by several times) the most expensive BD player currently on the market.
 
-=-ONI-=- said:
I hope people know Blu- Ray players will go up in price, not down.... its pretty simple, with no competition and all, the price of films may go up as well (or not change at all). The tech will be better, but thats of no consequence to me, since I planned on getting a PS3 anyway (as soon as they stop HACKING UP the thing!)
oh come on, I thought we were going to leave crap like this in the other thread.
 
So glad that this war is finally over. And I feel much better about having the BR burner put in my laptop. :D I'm desperately waiting for an announcement regarding when The Office and Heroes seasons will be out on Blu-ray. Same with the Bourne Trilogy, Batman Begins, and Transformers.
 
Let's be honest here, the early Blu-Ray players were pretty crappy right? Most of the stores still carry and will be carrying these players even when better ones come out? Most people jumping on a new format will not be willing to spend more that $500 for anything even when they know who the winner is, so what players do you think people are going to get?
 
Well, this basically nullified a needless argument.

We all realize a difference between prices going up versus the existence of lower end and higher end electronics, no need to try muddy up things.

We can all put this into the "No shit" category.
 
Dark Octave said:
Just a personal grudge. No other reason. That's why I said over and over that if I were in an actual business decision on the matter, I probably wouldn't punish them. But they tried to snatch the plate from under my nose (hypothetical), they sided 100% with the enemy just until yesterday, so of course I'm not going to have the greatest personal or business relationship with them right now. But I'd try to be as professional as possible.

And on the Blu-Ray thing. Nobody had to get DVD either, but they did. It'll take a while no matter what. They still make and sell VHS of new releases. I would say people have more of a reason to go Blu-Ray then they did to go DVD over VHS. If you own an HDTV, you don't really have a choice if you want to get your money's worth. You bought an HDTV because you want more. Back in 1998, it really didn't matter TV was TV and many people were happy with VHS.
I don't care what you'd do in a business decision, but I don't understand why you, as a consumer want this. I don't understand why kind of personal grudge could you have against them, for not going with BR before?
Enemies don't exist in the world of corporations, Sony uses Windows on their Vaio PCs despite going head to head with Microsoft in the console gaming market, Toshiba helped build the Cell processor despite fighting against Sony's Blu-ray.

And Blu-ray still NEEDS all these major studios if they want people to actually stop using DVDs and using Blu-ray, which they do. If major studios won't support it, it'll never be accepted.
 
-=-ONI-=- said:
Let's be honest here, the early Blu-Ray players were pretty crappy right? Most of the stores still carry and will be carrying these players even when better ones come out? Most people jumping on a new format will not be willing to spend more that $500 for anything even when they know who the winner is, so what players do you think people are going to get?

Once again, refer to my last post. PS3, hands down. It's a very high end player, Sony made sure of this. They knew what they were doing with this one and it's pretty clear. PS3 is still a very high end player... I mean how many are out there that are better? It's clearly of the most value, it can double as a game console for your kids or yourself, it's easy to market, it has a GREAT name. This will be the player to get. It's affordable and a great player. This is why they expect a nice big boost for sales, especially in the holidays. I've been predicting that all along. I mean cmon SDTVs are obsolete next year, there will be a big HD push this christmas, and what better way to compliment that than blu-ray?
 
Sad that our friend Ken Graffeo wasn't the one making the Universal announcement. No hard feelings, bud.
 
msdstc said:
Once again, refer to my last post. PS3, hands down. It's a very high end player, Sony made sure of this. They knew what they were doing with this one and it's pretty clear. PS3 is still a very high end player... I mean how many are out there that are better? It's clearly of the most value, it can double as a game console for your kids or yourself, it's easy to market, it has a GREAT name. This will be the player to get. It's affordable and a great player. This is why they expect a nice big boost for sales, especially in the holidays. I've been predicting that all along. I mean cmon SDTVs are obsolete next year, there will be a big HD push this christmas, and what better way to compliment that than blu-ray?

Thats what I said.....
 
-=-ONI-=- said:
Thats what I said.....

So what are we arguing here? Because what it sounds like you're saying, is player prices will take a hike up here, which yeah sure I agree, I mean new high end players come out all the time for things such as dvds or cds, etc. But the fact is the ps3 is the go to player. It won't matter if prices go up or not.
 
-=-ONI-=- said:
Let's be honest here, the early Blu-Ray players were pretty crappy right? Most of the stores still carry and will be carrying these players even when better ones come out?

Yes, some were pretty crappy (though some were just low on feature-set).

But no, most stores won't be carrying them because the CE's have been replacing them with their next model-year versions. Companies don't continue to manufacture old models when the replacements are made (for several reasons).

Most people jumping on a new format will not be willing to spend more that $500 for anything even when they know who the winner is, so what players do you think people are going to get?

There are numerous players hitting the market under $500 ... and they are all Bonus View (at minimum) compatible.

So this isn't a problem ... at all.
 
I wish I would have saved the post of that guy who was claiming to be an insider saying that Bluray was almost dead and HDDVD was, in the eyes of the studios, more successful than BRD. I can't even remember his nick... :(
 
R.I.P Toshiba. It sucks that someone has to lose, but there can be only one win. Thankfully, consumers no longer have to suffer. Now, it will be interesting to see how much of a foothold Digital Distribution will make against the Blu-ray.
 
-=-ONI-=- said:
Which part sounded high? The truth?:lol
Are you nuts? Prices are NOT going to go up. New players will be released, and they may be more expensive, but the current players will only drop in price. Manufacturers will now also introduce lower end players with less features to boost adoption rates. You are nuts if you think the median price will go up. The idea is to ENCOURAGE adoption to compete with DVD.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
In more ways than one my friend, in more ways than one.

:)

My last post in the epic thread was regarding Serenity ... and meant to have the double meaning.


Still can't believe this shit is over!
 
Onix said:
:)

My last post in the epic thread was regarding Serenity ... and meant to have the double meaning.


Still can't believe this shit is over!


:)

I found a post of mine from November where I expected this to be another 6 months to a year. Never been so happy to be wrong!

(That was in the thread where I was scolded for mention ing Blu-ray when an uninformed person started asking about HD-DVD.)
 
Xisiqomelir said:
This shit is just beginning. Someone needs to put together a "Why your shitty $40 UP-DVD player is not HD, even with bububu 1080p on the box" FAQ.

Side-by-side in-store demos will help with that. That's one reason I got interested in HD myself, early on.
 
The biggest thing slowing BluRay now is the adoption rater of HDTVs. The faster consumers get HDTVs and realize the difference with their DVDs versus HDTV content, they will be more likely to make the switch. As Sony put it, it is about educating the consumer now.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
Side-by-side in-store demos will help with that. That's one reason I got interested in HD myself, early on.

Actually, I really like those new demo discs with the moving vertical blue bar where it slowly wipes DVD to BD from side to side. It should be quite effective on anyone without bat DNA.
 
pxleyes said:
The biggest thing slowing BluRay now is the adoption rater of HDTVs. The faster consumers get HDTVs and realize the difference with their DVDs versus HDTV content, they will be more likely to make the switch. As Sony put it, it is about educating the consumer now.

To a certain extent, this may actually help BD.

Stores will be more than happy to demonstrate the benefits of BD to people considering the purchase of an HDTV. These in-store demos will likely have greater influence than any other sort of 'education' the BDA can come with.



If this were not the case, and HDTV's were already in most households ... it might be a little bit more difficult to spread the word. Most people don't regularly check out TV's at electronics stores unless they are actively looking to purchase one.
 
You're going to see a HELL of a lot more exposure for Blu-Ray. All the major outlets will be pushing the format hardcore in ways they couldn't before Toshiba's surrender. It's in everyone's best interest to garnish HDTV sales with HD media sales, and Blu-Ray will now be the cornerstone of that effort.
 
kaching said:
Serenity now, please.

*rings bell*
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toshiba finally bled out then. took less time than i thought, but i think it's pretty clear now that those of us calling the Warner move the death blow, and the D-Day landings of the format war were right.

it was an honorable stab at it. if blu-ray didn't exist, we'd all be very happy with the format... but the PS3's inclusion of Blu-Ray as standard proved to be a brilliant gamble, bringing Sony the prize just as they'd hoped it would.

congrats to Sony. Blu-Ray is as good a format as we could have asked for, and if not at the time of writing, within hours, no longer will someone need to own two high def movie players in order to get 100% studio support.
 
Dragona Akehi said:
Fuck that shit! CASABLANCA BITCHES

VERY good transfer. I think the problem is WB didnt make any money on that or Grand Prix, so it may be a while. The encoding and pressing alone may cause them to lose money at this point.
 
StoOgE said:
VERY good transfer. I think the problem is WB didnt make any money on that or Grand Prix, so it may be a while. The encoding and pressing alone may cause them to lose money at this point.

Well I imagine all the hardest work is done...

It was the only reason to want an HD-DVD player, for me.
 
Xisiqomelir said:
Actually, I really like those new demo discs with the moving vertical blue bar where it slowly wipes DVD to BD from side to side. It should be quite effective on anyone without bat DNA.

Yep, I remember that what sold me was a website that had King Kong dvd and HD DVD. You ran your mouse across the pic and it would switch between dvd and HD DVD. It was a night and day difference.
 
HD-DVD isn't dead!:lol
http://www.betanews.com/article/For_13_million_HD_DVD_customers_whats_next/1203445412
For 1.3 million HD DVD customers, what's next?
By Nate Mook, BetaNews
February 19, 2008, 1:30 PM

Despite the disappointing news this morning for over 1 million HD DVD player owners and another 300,000 with an HD DVD drive in their computer, they have little to worry about. Here's why.

Believe it or not, HD DVD is not obsolete


It's one thing when a technology quickly becomes obsolete for something superior. But in this case, HD DVD was the better technology in a number of respects: it offered backward compatibility with standard DVD players through its Combo discs, and advanced features such as Internet connectivity from the start.

Although Blu-ray discs can store more data and support higher encoding rates for video and audio, they use the exact same codecs as HD DVD and side-by-side comparisons of movies have showed no real differences in quality. In addition, the Blu-ray specification is still being finalized, and Profile 2.0 players with Internet connections aren't expected to hit shelves until later this year.

In turn, there's no reason to re-purchase any movies in Blu-ray. In fact, it's likely that many titles currently available in both formats offer better features on HD DVD. For example, 300 in HD DVD lets viewers watch how the movie was made using Picture-in-Picture, while the Blu-ray version does not.

Taking advantage of low prices

HD DVD's primary draw has always been its affordability. The format was able to trump Blu-ray in standalone player sales with hardware hovering around $100 compared to over $300. Those who invested in an HD DVD player can continue to use it to playback the HD DVD movies they own and as a low-cost top-quality up-converting player for standard DVDs.

Prices will also likely fall on existing products and movies, which makes this a prime time to purchase. It may sound strange, but because all recent HD DVD releases have been Combo discs with standard DVD on one side, there is no reason to buy the regular DVD when you can get both for the same price. It might also be a good time to pick up a second HD DVD player for another room when prices drop well below $100.

There's absolutely no risk in buying Combo discs since they function exactly like the standard DVD, especially as prices fall.

Support will continue

Although HD DVD is being discontinued, Toshiba isn't going anywhere. The company says it will continue to provide full product support and after-sales service for all customers. Of course, the concern will be longer term for those who invested in a library of HD DVD movies, but that's where China comes in.

China could fill the HD DVD player void left by Toshiba

With published HD DVD attach rates for movies around 4, over four million HD DVD discs have been purchased by customers. Add that to the free movie deals, and over 10 million HD DVD movies are likely sitting in homes needing players.

China is preparing to launch its own next-generation optical disc standard called CH-DVD to coincide with the start of the 2008 Olympics in Beijing this summer. CH-DVD is very similar to HD DVD but was established separately for reasons of piracy and uses a different encryption standard. CH-DVD players will be able to play HD DVD discs.

As the format gets off the ground, Chinese and Taiwanese manufacturers who brought cheap DVD players to the United States could do the same for HD DVD. As long as there is a potential for revenue, products will be made available.
 
dude said:
I don't care what you'd do in a business decision, but I don't understand why you, as a consumer want this. I don't understand why kind of personal grudge could you have against them, for not going with BR before?
Enemies don't exist in the world of corporations, Sony uses Windows on their Vaio PCs despite going head to head with Microsoft in the console gaming market, Toshiba helped build the Cell processor despite fighting against Sony's Blu-ray.

And Blu-ray still NEEDS all these major studios if they want people to actually stop using DVDs and using Blu-ray, which they do. If major studios won't support it, it'll never be accepted.
I want Transformers on Blu-Ray (I guess...) and the few other titles HD-DVD had, just like you do. Enemies do exist in the business world. Grudges do exist. So do mergers, buyouts, and partnerships. Competition brings all of that. People have emotions that spawn from competition. Sports is a business just like anything else but I know many people who hate the Patriots because they beat the Chargers in the playoffs. I know many people who want to see the Pats punished for "cheating". AJ Smith (Charger's general manager) of the Chargers has admitted to being angry with Eli Manning over his comments about their team, yet that didn't stop him from drafting and welcoming him to their organization (before trading him to the Giants).

You can't tell me nobody at Sony felt a little "yeah up your's Nintendo!" when the PS1 became market leader. You can't tell me that personal feelings didn't play a role when Peter Moore was interviewed as saying "My house is an Xbox only house" when referring to what he plays in his own personal home. This is a business man who has publically shuned the competition's product from personal use because of personal grudge, prefrence, or whatever else you want to call it. How is what I am saying any different? It's better actually, at least I'm admitting that my feelings are not the best choice of action in a business setting. But I still can't help how I feel towards these two companies choices these past few months. So I say again, I WISH there was something that could be done to teach these companies not to cross my favorite format. They tried to throw a wrench in Blu-Ray. :D

I can deal with the fact that it probabaly won't happen. Can you deal with the fact that this is how I feel?

Edit: Major studios are backing Blu-Ray. The biggest being Warner. But I'm in no way saying they don't need Uni and Par. But DVD will slowly die in time no matter what, just like VHS did. With every HDTV purchased, another DVD player dies. And when every signal goes digital, there will be millions of people forced to upgrade. Therefore, Blu-Ray has more going for it now, than DVD did back when it first launched. There is more reason to go from DVD to Blu-Ray than there was to go from VHS to DVD. Blu-Ray will be ok no matter what.
 
I just ordered a BD-UP5000 combo player from BB. It has a 90 day return policy, so if they dont have their kinks worked out by May (when the update for audio codecs is set to release) I will return it and buy a BRD standalone. 640 bucks was too good a price not to jump on it.

Im officialy in team blu now.
 
The Sphinx said:
You're going to see a HELL of a lot more exposure for Blu-Ray. All the major outlets will be pushing the format hardcore in ways they couldn't before Toshiba's surrender. It's in everyone's best interest to garnish HDTV sales with HD media sales, and Blu-Ray will now be the cornerstone of that effort.

That's what I've been saying for a while. A chain reaction is about to start. I mean first it was toshiba, now universal, soon paramount. Every movie coming out on dvd now will say "on blu-ray disc" only now... every one of them. Stores will expand shelf space and only have one format. This will hit the news making the people on the fence go out and grab a player, which leads to word of mouth. Not to mention now that the BDA is complete, they can all work together in marketing the hell out of this thing. They don't have to focus on strategies against HD-DVD now, now they can focus on just showing blu-ray to the public.

edit- Oh yeah and retailers especially. They can push people more towards blu-ray instead of saying, just wait we don't know which way it'll go. Also endcaps are allowed now, and display stands will be blu only.
 
I posted a top 10 things to do with you defunct hd-dvd player list on hidefdigest and those guys are pissed! Here is the thread
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=44350
Kill every user of blu, as well as sabotage to wal-mart, promoting digital downloading, but now conclude the war continues style war Iraq, and the rebels are now users red.

11.Smash it over the head of the next stupid fucking gloating BR fanboy who is under the impression we can't enjoy the HD-DVD library we've built up over the past year or so.

Has anyone ever told you what a complete fucking cunt you are?

And I'll bet you sexually molest young children too.
 
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