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Total Biscuit arguing for no used game sales
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AcceptableGhost
Member
Yeah, I have to say that I definitely posted some embarrassing stuff in Something Awful 6 years ago.
Luckily it was under a different name!
This is probably correct.
Luckily it was under a different name!
This is probably correct.
CosmicQueso
Member
Nevermind.
Just a few examples of his assery.
Famousmortimer was the gaffer that started the campaign/thread on GAF btw. But you see what I mean about him getting defensive with the whole "us vs. them" mentality. He's in the industry, and gamers that start campaigns, or have critical opinions are not worth hearing out. They are clearly just entitled and whiny, and no one should pay attention to them. Pay attention to journalists and talking heads like TB.
Lmao
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
antitrop said:
That post is pretty damn good. The fact that people fixate on one detail (which is there just to underline his rationalist/secularist "credentials") just shows how feeble most message-board discourse is.
Any contentious subject gets polarized almost immediately by people who lack the subtlety of reason to get past the "you're either with us, or against us" (high-)school of argument.
jim2point0
Banned
I'm actually surprised there wasn't a thread discussing this subject already. I guess he's such a controversial figure that it takes him saying something about it to discuss it. Probably because people seem to get off on talking about how much they dislike him. Personally I don't like or dislike him. So if I were to come in here and discuss the topic, I'd leave his opinion out of it entirely because I don't care.
But all I see are people bashing TB and not discussing used games at all. Yeesh.
But all I see are people bashing TB and not discussing used games at all. Yeesh.
Ace Harding
Member
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Deleted member 10571
Unconfirmed Member
Internet-famous people still haven't learned not to fuck with GAF, huh?
His posts from the past couple of days say he hasn't.
I think it's more like "Internet-famous people still haven't learned they're not actually famous" and they often have trouble coping with dissent outside of the bubble.
I lost all respect for him tbh. And like I said, I'm pretty sure he's freaked out a couple of times in the past. I can't remember specific moments, but I've heard about him losing his shit with communitys/people before. How can a grown man act like that.
That's NeoGAF for you, ignore the forest for the trees. Though to be fair, there are some folks in here actually trying to discuss the topic and not TB himself, just not many.
Exactly, you explained the logic behind my post.
I mean, all you have to do is read all the comments in the SA thread that specifically state they didn't read past the first sentence or two. I disagree that it was a good post, though. It broke like every rule on Something Awful, he deserved to be banned for that. I don't think that post would fly in NeoGAF's own OT, either. The thread would be locked before it got to 10 posts, I guarantee it. He turned a blog post into a forum thread, why would you do that for any reason other than to open yourself up to criticism by people who probably don't even give a fuck what you just said?
And btw, there IS a letter:
http://www.ps4nodrm.com/index.html
it's in the fucking homepage.
I think people were posting it more to point out the smug attitude, but as i said the two things should be separated.
I consider myself a fan without actually liking or disliking him. I love to watch his YouTube videos, I definitely appreciate what he does with the StarCraft II community, and I enjoy the controversy around his usually ridiculous opinions. His podcast is very good, too. Just finished watching today's episode a few hours ago, I like that he livestreams it on Twitch before making a VOD/audio podcast.
Elwood Blues
Member
That requires an IQ of 156.
Jimquisition addressed this best: PC games are effected in this way due to competition, not from a lack of used titles. The only competition against console titles, just as it was before, are from a publisher's own back-catalog. I see little reason for publishers to discount titles at the same rate the PC market does.
FunkyMunkey
Banned
"Total Biscuit", the how-the-fuck-did-this-guy-get-so-many-followers internet "personality" acting like an ignorant and condescending jerk who can't take his head out of his own ass? I'm surprised! /s
Maybe he can post a 30-min drawn-out video about this with extra long pronunciations of words in an attempt to sound more intelligent than he actually is, as is the norm with him.
I'm hoping he comes around at least a bit, as I'm sure he has quite some influence. (I'm not very fond of the guy)
Maybe he can post a 30-min drawn-out video about this with extra long pronunciations of words in an attempt to sound more intelligent than he actually is, as is the norm with him.
I'm hoping he comes around at least a bit, as I'm sure he has quite some influence. (I'm not very fond of the guy)
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Deleted member 10571
Unconfirmed Member
Yup, actually that sounds more like it.
I know he hates retailer pre-order exclusives, but this is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
There is no competition in the DD space on consoles. it's all either from MS, Sony or Nintendo.
If this saves the publishers money you shouldn't expect this to benefit the customer.
There is no competition in the DD space on consoles. it's all either from MS, Sony or Nintendo.
If this saves the publishers money you shouldn't expect this to benefit the customer.
StopMakingSense
Member
Indeed. Hell, Steam even lets third party retailers compete directly with them on their own distribution channel.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Yup, go DD and remove as much as possible physical media.
Wii U? Ok, now that's out of the way... Nintendo is a unique position where they have a few key titles that have sold very well, retained value very well, and get traded back in rarely.
..but when you only have like 5 of those games on your console and they are just about the only games worth playing for a lot of people.. people tend to keep them.
Again, I hate to see Nintendo be the example everyone wants to follow.. they are backwards on almost everything these days when it comes to technology.
At the same store? Then the owners of those stores are terrible business people. You see it every so often at Gamestop.. where they do a short sale on new copies of a game (of course funded by the publishers) and they don't want to take the loss on the used copies so they don't lower them the same way. Which, is smart of them, as the new price will go back up and they are back where they left off.
Ace Harding
Member
I like Jim, but he completely ignores the competition among retailers of console games, even in a "no used games" environment. Amazon, GameStop, NewEgg, Walmart, etc. would still be competing with one another, and with the MS/Sony online stores. The three consoles also compete fiercely with each other, and with other entertainment opportunities.
The biggest source of competition PC game publishers have that you don't see as much on consoles is piracy.
papersleeves
Member
Who the fuck is this guy and why should I care about him or his opinion? Seriously, should I even spend the time to check out his work?
AppleSmack
Banned
Because IMO he is the best internet personality there is in gaming (maybe only Day9 can compete). Much better source of information than any other journalist or website.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
If you watch this particular video, even if you do not agree with him he does bring up some good points.
Its sure a hell of a lot better than some obese guy screaming his head off with his bad acting.
papersleeves
Member
I'm really not a fan of Francis if that is what you are referring to. Anyway, I will watch the video, but honestly I am firmly installed in the used camp. No used game is a deal breaker, plain & simple.
Fixed1979
Member
I think writing a letter is pretty lazy, I voice my displeasure through pop music. Usually I put together a 12 song concept album to really get the point across. If you don't put at least that much effort into your activism then you're a slacktivist.
I just ignored it, & some posters like RiccochetJ & Valnen roasted me just because that I refuse to listen to what he says about "used games being bad for the industry," etc.
SneakyStephan
Banned
What a twat lol, he used to seem like a not too bright , kind of slow and incoherent guy who is bad at videogames but meant well.
Now he's just gone internet diva who can't respond to logic or reason.
Now he's just gone internet diva who can't respond to logic or reason.
The irony in that one is off the charts.
yup. And that consumers should give up their rights so console platform holders and publishers can increase their revenue.
Unless someone is in the industry like total biscuit (he does work for sony), I cannot understand why anyone would support this. But people go against their interests all the time, thats why so many poor people in the south vote republican.
Just a few examples of his assery.
Famousmortimer was the gaffer that started the campaign/thread on GAF btw. But you see what I mean about him getting defensive with the whole "us vs. them" mentality. He's in the industry, and gamers that start campaigns, or have critical opinions are not worth hearing out. They are clearly just entitled and whiny, and no one should pay attention to them. Pay attention to journalists and talking heads like TB.
Lmao
He's more obnoxious than I thought. Wow. I've only watched some of his WTF is... series and I always got the opinion he was a bit cocky, but not much more. Seeing him in a new light now.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Used games: dev studios die like flies
No used games: dev studios die like flies
He's doing a such a good job keeping the discussion there, though.
No used games: dev studios die like flies
He's doing a such a good job keeping the discussion there, though.
Not unless you're a fairly hardcore PC gamer or a StarCraft fan.
Considering you don't even know who he is I can assume both of those are false.
He rose to prominence through World of Warcraft before changing his focus to SC2, he hosts a popular gaming podcast, he and his wife own a StarCraft II team and run their own tournaments.
For the most part he keeps the StarCraft stuff off his YouTube channel, that is mostly just his Content Patch series (gaming news/opinions) and his WTF Is...? series, which is very similar to a Giant Bomb quick-look (but only for PC games).
This guy says some weird stuff. Assuming I am interpreting his posts correctly he compares lending a game to someone else to piracy and says he does lend/get games from friends anymore because he isn't a kid.
Seems pretty close to the "Fuck you, I've got mine." Mentality.
Someone tell him, that downloading games from his "abandonware sites" (which he mentioned in his video) is piracy as well smh
Funnily lending games to a friend is absolutely legal.
My stance on used games is pretty simple. If people do not want X anymore, and I want X, we can give each other stuff so I can end up with X.
Also, the fact that in 20-30 years, if I want to play Halo 5 on my good old Xbox One, I can buy the game at a garage sale, but the game will not play. And if Microsoft do not exist in 30 years, there will be no way for me to enjoy Halo 5. I will be able to play a 60 yo Atari 2600, but not a 30 year Xbox One.
I already feel like that with MMO's. I often come across Everquest Adventure who closed the servers a few years back. I could buy it for 2$, but I cannot play the game. Its a dead game.
Also, the fact that in 20-30 years, if I want to play Halo 5 on my good old Xbox One, I can buy the game at a garage sale, but the game will not play. And if Microsoft do not exist in 30 years, there will be no way for me to enjoy Halo 5. I will be able to play a 60 yo Atari 2600, but not a 30 year Xbox One.
I already feel like that with MMO's. I often come across Everquest Adventure who closed the servers a few years back. I could buy it for 2$, but I cannot play the game. Its a dead game.
Abandonware are not piracy, since people removed the copyright from it. Its like Castle of the Winds. You can download the game for free. Same for Elder Scroll 1.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
His "WTF is..." series is a great way to check out new games before you buy them. He goes into extreme detail about them and even takes the time to explore every option and preference the game has. Sometimes he spends 45 minutes playing a game if he really gets into it.
derExperte
Member
Exactly, don't know what he's going on about there.
I think it breaks the EULA, but who gives a shit?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-user_license_agreement#Enforceability_of_EULAs_in_the_United_States
Good luck with that one, EULAs are a joke.
jakonovski
Member
He's probably confusing EULAs with the law.
derExperte
Member
Lending a physical copy privately? I know that EULAs are basically completely worthless in Germany anyway but I can't imagine that they prohibit this anywhere.
Careful, abandonware isn't all the same. Most of that stuff is not free of copyright, there just isn't anyone around that cares. So it could very well be classified as piracy in a lot of cases. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandonware#Law
The US court system has a pretty good record of striking down EULA clauses, as well. Game publishers and hardware manufacturers do not write laws.
He has a bullshit argument.
I said it earlier TB isn't even "there" anymore. He's the type of guy when people say "all of PC gamers are elitist" is the one they point to. Probably one of the biggest hypocrites out there. Not only that but he actually looks down on his own subs in general. And they continue to support him that's the scary part. It's kind of sad tho because every once and awhile he really has some good opinions
That would be freeware then.
Pirates call some games "abandonware", because they assume that noone sells it anymore and they also assume that noone cares that they offer it as download. Some even assume that noone would own the rights anymore. All of that is of course bollocks and just a cheap excuse for piracy.
If I remember correctly there is one site that actually asked and got permission for certain games to offer them as download. The rights owner got asked and allowed it in that case. Which automatically means that the software can't be "abandonware", because there is obviously a rights holder.
A few games are also offered on http://scummvm.org/downloads/ (Beneath A Steel Sky, Dreamweb, Flight of the Amazon Queen, Lure of the Temptress, Drascula: The Vampire Strikes Back, Soltys). Again the rights holder allowed that. And as you see, those are called "freeware" as well. Funnily this doesn't have to automatically mean that any other site may offer them as download as well.
For digital download versions maybe? I don't remember seeing nor agreeing to any EULA after inserting physical media into my PS3, Wii or DS. Maybe it's printed on some paper, but in that case I haven't even agreed to it. I actually couldn't agree to it. But yeah, even if there were, EULAs don't mean anything.