I don't see how your story is special, though. It basically boils down to "I got the games really cheap used!" Which...well, is everyone's argument.
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Total Biscuit arguing for no used game sales
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I don't see how your story is special, though. It basically boils down to "I got the games really cheap used!" Which...well, is everyone's argument.
SneakyStephan
Banned
That gamerevolution has a lot of fair points but it pisses me off that we even have this discussion or even have bother rationalising why we don't want to give up our basic consumer rights.
Who the hell do MS think they are for trying to prevent me from giving away or lending my games to others just because of their shitty vendetta against used games.
It shouldn't need dignifying or clarifying , MS aren't special they don't need to be catered to by the consumer.
I'm going to say it again, for my part, any company that even humors the idea is on my shitlist until the end of days.
I'm not trying to convince them , I'm telling them to go fuck a cactus.
Who the hell do MS think they are for trying to prevent me from giving away or lending my games to others just because of their shitty vendetta against used games.
It shouldn't need dignifying or clarifying , MS aren't special they don't need to be catered to by the consumer.
I'm going to say it again, for my part, any company that even humors the idea is on my shitlist until the end of days.
I'm not trying to convince them , I'm telling them to go fuck a cactus.
quickfire13
Neo Member
I wasn't trying to state that I was special or anything, just saying that I have personally experienced the benefits of used games as well. Just because it's not this rags to riches story does not mean that I can not cite it as a reason for my disagreement.
TheBryanJZX90
Member
Plus, a used game marketplace isn't even the only way to get games cheap, as shown by Steam and even the Amazon links I provided. Is anyone seriously saying $15 is too much to pay for a AAA game?
WrenchNinja
Member
It is when it's more than half a decade old.
quickfire13
Neo Member
It is when I can get it for much cheaper on a game that is, like Crewnh said, half a decade old. Not to mention these were games at the beginning of the console cycle, when I can buy the newest installment used for almost the price of the first installment new, that's a problem.
Resistance 1 (Gamestop): http://www.gamestop.com/ps3/games/resistance-fall-of-man/60747
Uncharted 1 (Gamestop): http://www.gamestop.com/ps3/games/uncharted-drakes-fortune/64961
DidntKnowJack
Member
I would say most of my used game purchases are of titles that aren't available new anymore anyway. I don't fucking go into a Gamestop 2 weeks after a game comes out and buy it used for $5 less. I go in and buy games like Folklore, Blur, Grid, Singularity. You think game publishers are losing money from any of those sales? Really? Shit, most of these you couldn't buy digitally either, let alone a new physical copy.
The only time I ever bought a $45 used game from GameStop it was Soul Calibur II for PS2 the week it came out. The disc was non-functional (hardlock at pre-fight load screen). I returned it and gave them the extra $5 for a new copy.
TheBryanJZX90
Member
I'd say you're exactly the kind of consumer Microsoft would want to start buying digitally. (Have they actually said all Xbone games are going to be available digitally? I would assume they would be it's fucking 2013...)
That's one of the things I really like about moving from the used game market to the digital platform market. All of those long-tail sales start going to the developers and actually getting money to the people that made the game instead of a glorified pawn shop. And for consumers, you never have to deal with a game that had a limited print run because Gamestop didn't think it would sell well.
DidntKnowJack
Member
But I'm not interested in buying games digitally. I've always said it - the day consoles thrust digital distribution on me, is the day I say goodbye. I just didn't think it would be soon. I'm still hoping it won't be.
RustyNails
Member
What does this douchebag do for a living? He's talking like as if he's the highest paid lawyer in downtown.
njean777
Member
If they care about a large amount of consumers it wont be. Speeds are not good enough yet to change over.
quickfire13
Neo Member
I agree and I don't trust companies to look out for us gamers/consumers. I don't like to think that if they ever get hacked or taken down(god forbid) that I won't be able to play the games I played for because technically I couldn't connect to them for 24 hours because their servers were down. Like I said, an all Digital future seems to be in the cards but we are a few gens too early for that. The infrastructure is not secure enough yet.
DidntKnowJack
Member
But that's the beauty of the way they're trying to do it. They're still shipping games on disc, but the discs are just conduits for putting that digital version on to your Xbox One. You can't even play games off the disc - they have to be installed. And once they're installed, the discs don't have to be in the blu-ray drive. That's the whole reason they're using this DRM in the first place. They know once you're installed, that disc will be just lying around with no purpose other than maybe being a backup. They know you could then just pass it on to friends, who would then install it on their drives.
Microsoft is going all digital with Xbox One, they're just being really sneaky about it.
RustyNails
Member
Empty cans rattle the most.
I'm guessing you guys aren't PC gamers?
I do agree with some of quickfire's reservations, especially when you are looking at an all digital future ran by Microsoft.
I have been buying digital games from GOG, Steam, Amazon, etc for a while now.
TheBryanJZX90
Member
I guess I'm a bit sympathetic to a nostalgic desire to have something physical, but man you've got to get over yourself. This isn't the 1980s, digital is just going to get better and better and physical media just loses it's purpose. Why deny yourself a bit of entertainment because it didn't come with a piece of plastic?
Maybe it's just dumb, blind faith...but I'd like to think that large mega-corporations like Microsoft would be able to develop server networks sophisticated enough to protect my purchases against things like them being hacked or their servers temporarily going down.
Especially as time goes on.
Different lifestyle. The way one person does things isn't the way another might choose to do things. Neither is necessarily better than the other, they're just different. Your choices make you happy, but they are not the default best option for everyone.
Funny enough, TB is a law grad.
In no way was I trying to impose my choices on them, I wasn't even making an argument. Just a statement.
quickfire13
Neo Member
I am not an avid PC gamer, but that is where I got my roots, before Steam and the like. But companies like Steam, I have alot of faith in, because they have people who are truly passionate at the head. Gabe Newell is a man that I honestly believe is passionate about the work that he does and gaming.
However, companies like Microsoft or Sony(and I can be considered a Sony fanboy), I can not trust in the same manner. Microsoft has Mattrick, Spencer, Ballmer, etc. and Sony has Tretton and the like that I see as more of business figureheads rather than passionate gamers.
To me the best part of Steam is their huge indie presence which are usually reasonable prices and arguably more enjoyable(to some extent). I got Binding of Isaac for $3 and have had more general enjoyment than most console games this gen. Steam is reasonable, but I can't see companies like Sony and Microsoft being all gung-ho towards reasonable pricing for the consumer.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Because people want to actually own their games. Also from what MS has shown they are hardly the ones to be ushering in some consumer minded digital age.
Ah, sorry. I was probably projecting a bit. I just got out of an RL discussion where the guy was kind of all "Yeah but everyone should do what I DO about everything!" and it was annoying. Sorry if that was misplaced onto your comment there.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Consumers already lost their first sale rights for software in the States. People surrender them every time they install a PC game. Trust, convenience, sales or hats doesn't change that. That's just an easy way to try to reconcile the cognitive dissonance.
As a consumer of digital media, it's hard to decry the loss of unrestricted resale without feeling like a giant hypocrite. If consumers feel they should have those rights then it's time to demand that Congress protects them.
Physical media won't lose its purpose until you can do everything with a download that you can with a disc. Like lending it to a friend to play, or selling it to someone else when you're done with it, and without being forced to pay some arbitrary middleman for the privelege.
Call me when that happens.
A dude who has a huge mouth and makes money off of it by playing video games. More annoying than Patcher.
Of course he does
TheBryanJZX90
Member
Everything has a price. If the price is low enough, few are going to care about selling their games to someone else or letting a friend borrow it. Selling my copy of Angry Birds wouldn't be worth the trouble. If my friend wants to play Super Meat Boy then let him download his own damn copy, it's only going to cost him $15. Sure you can say that Microsoft isn't Valve and they are a big bad evil company, but the Steam store has sales and low prices because it makes money for all of the people involved, not because Valve wants to be your friend.
This happens because it's a lot easier to pirate games on a PC.
A key point people aren't considering.
Valve is selling games at lower prices and having frequent sales because it makes business sense. It's not some valiant thing they're doing. If anything, Valve is serving as a working model of the very type of system Microsoft seems to want to move towards on a larger scale.
He's the SimCity of people.
Apparently I put spaces where they aren't supposed to be.
I spell it Sim City
The thread title is Total Biscuit
Congrats!
You've just described piracy.
Now, if that had anything at all to do with used game sales, you might have a point.
But Gamestop and other retailers aren't replicating anything.
The retail situation is different given they're dealing with physical goods, you can have competition but never to the extent of what Steams ecosystem is offering in both frequency and price, discounting used games. Digital is much more flexible (with that flexibility often hamstrung by retail).
The other issue is competition in the digital space. On PC buying from another digital store because of a cheaper game is as simple as typing a new web-address, it's nothing, not even a time investment. On consoles it's buying a $400-$500 box and entering an entirely different ecosystem with none of your previous games or purchases being of any use, it's unlikely a consumer is going to make that significant shift because a game is marginally cheaper there. For all intents and purposes these stores have their consumers locked down to and in their digital walled gardens for good, unless of course they open up third party game key sellers like Steam.
Pretty much. I guess the beauty of a democracy is we can just unsubscribe and ignore him.
Everyone knows this. But Valve has fierce competition, doesnt answer to any shareholders but its own employees, has an indefinite offline option and doesnt even require game makers to use DRM to be sold on the store. Hell they dont have to use DRM to access Steamworks, the CEG is optional.
Microsoft is not comparable.
This guy says some weird stuff. Assuming I am interpreting his posts correctly he compares lending a game to someone else to piracy and says he does lend/get games from friends anymore because he isn't a kid.
Seems pretty close to the "Fuck you, I've got mine." Mentality.
What the fuck.
Unsubscribing now, what a dickhead.
Good, I hope it wasted his valuable time looking at us poor lower class folks.
He was always come off as a dickhead and childish in his youtube comments and twitter. Just do a random search on his accounts.
I love that he says technically you aren't allowed to lend games to anyone anyway so it's not relevant, despite the fact that everyone who is passionate about games over the last 30 years has lent and borrowed games from friends and family. Everyone.
"You know that thing you've been doing for three decades? The thing that got you to buy this game and that game and that entire franchise and that DLC and that one game on 6 different formats? Yeah you can't do that any more, we decided we don't want to make any money."
"You know that thing you've been doing for three decades? The thing that got you to buy this game and that game and that entire franchise and that DLC and that one game on 6 different formats? Yeah you can't do that any more, we decided we don't want to make any money."
In what legislative area is what he suggests technically true? Because i can legally lend my games to friends where i live (Sweden). I would have thought the same was true in the UK where TB is from.
Especially since the recent EU court decision against Oracle that made it perfectly clear that selling a digital license second hand is perfectly legal. Of course that also obviously means i can lend it to a friend.
Send him press copies. He has bitched on a few videos when he has had to buy it himself.
TheBryanJZX90
Member
...y'all do realize that someone can be a jerk or say something dumb on twitter and still make a pretty good argument over the course of a 30-minute YouTube video, right?