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Toy Story 3 too sad for comfort?

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B.K. said:
Up sounds like it's going to be sadder than Toy Story 3.
It's been said already that test screenings of a 60-70% complete version of UP is sadder then Benjamin Button. The earliest reports say that people were tearing up within the first 5-10 minutes. I have a feeling that while UP will be amazingly great, it's going to also be very, very sad. I teared up within the first 5 minutes of WALL-E, but that was an alarmingly personal movie for me. I think UP will have a loooot of people dabbing their eyes by the time it's over.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Captain N said:
I'm not sure if anyone wants to know the outline of what will happen in Toy Story 3 so I will cover it up with Spoiler tags.


Can't be any sadder than Winnie the Pooh. That tackles growing up head on and makes me cry. Poor Winnie the Pooh being left all alone by Christopher Robin. Yes I know hes just a teddy bear but still ;_;
 

trinest

Member
WordAssassin said:
It's been said already that test screenings of a 60-70% complete version of UP is sadder then Benjamin Button. The earliest reports say that people were tearing up within the first 5-10 minutes. I have a feeling that while UP will be amazingly great, it's going to also be very, very sad. I teared up within the first 5 minutes of WALL-E, but that was an alarmingly personal movie for me. I think UP will have a loooot of people dabbing their eyes by the time it's over.
Wall-E is a wake up call- Toy Story has no room to be dark unless its burning them alive.
 

Rewrite

Not as deep as he thinks
Captain N said:
Toy Story 3 according to IMDB
Woody, Buzz, and the rest of their toy-box friends are dumped in a day-care center after their owner, Andy, departs for college. Meanwhile, Hamm, Rex and Mr. Potato Head begin a quest to find their long lost twin brothers.
:lol :lol :lol
 

wRATH2x

Banned
Toy Story 2 was easily better than 1,and I cant wait for 3,it better not suck.

P.S.

Why all the hate on A Bugs Life?,I watched it recently and I still like it very much,but Cars sucked so much.
 

Rewrite

Not as deep as he thinks
Wrath2X said:
Toy Story 2 was easily better than 1,and I cant wait for 3,it better not suck.

P.S.

Why all the hate on A Bugs Life?,I watched it recently and I still like it very much,but Cars sucked so much.
I don't know. I kind of disagree with Toy Story 2 being better than 1. 1 was perfect for me. I think that it had a better story overall and setting. I enjoyed 2 a lot for being adventurous in the sense that they focused a lot on their miniature and struggles to travel to different places. That's what was awesome about 2 for me.

Edit: As for A Bug's Life, I tried to enjoy it as much as I wanted to like it, but unfortunately it didn't do it for me. There's just something about it that irritates me.
 
Cars is the only "Bad" pixar film. And the only thing wrong with it was Owen Wilson, and a story that as an adult, I didn't quite enjoy like the other pixar films.

All this Toy Story hate is making me want to murder a lot of people.

God dammit, I wish I could see my room turn into Toy Story. Snake would come alive, rip shit up, take down Lei Wulong with one slice, and try to shag Rei Ayanami up her non existent butt. The Old Snake would come alive, but can't move, because his suit is too thick and thus limits his articulation greatly. Naked Snake would merely laugh at him and just say, "Oh ho ho, Son! You have grown to old". The Yotsuba would drop kick Old Snake, just because she can.
 
dabookerman said:
God dammit, I wish I could see my room turn into Toy Story. Snake would come alive, rip shit up, take down Lei Wulong with one slice, and try to shag Rei Ayanami up her non existent butt. The Old Snake would come alive, but can't move, because his suit is too thick and thus limits his articulation greatly. Naked Snake would merely laugh at him and just say, "Oh ho ho, Son! You have grown to old". The Yotsuba would drop kick Old Snake, just because she can.


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Captain N

Junior Member
NintendoTogepi said:
I love Pixar, but I've never actually been that big of a fan of Toy Story.

In terms of quality, I separate the Pixar movies into two groups...

Group One:
Monsters, Inc.
Toy Story
Toy Story 2
A Bug's Life
Cars

Group Two:
WALL•E
Ratatouille
Finding Nemo
The Incredibles

While Group One is still very good and full of entertaining movies, I say Group Two has the true best of Pixar. All four of those movies are masterpieces. I would put them all on my list of a top 25 movies of all time.

Of course, that's simplifying it a bit. To give a more detailed list:

Masterpieces:
WALL•E
Ratatouille
Finding Nemo
The Incredibles

Great:
Monsters, Inc

Good:
Toy Story (to be honest this and TS2 are pretty much tied)
Toy Story 2

Meh:
A Bug's Life
Cars

I'm not really looking forward to Toy Story 3 or Cars 2. They both sound terrible.

I see plenty of good things about Up and The Bear and Bow. Can't wait for them.

My top 3 would probably be..

Finding Nemo
Monsters, Inc.
Wall•E




octopusman said:
Yeah it's best for pixar to stick with original ideas.

rumor has it after Newt in 2012 that Pixar will be doing a Monsters, Inc. 2 in 2013.
 

Ghost

Chili Con Carnage!
At the moment Pixar seem to be happy to make their mass-appeal franchises as formulaic as any Disney executive might want.

Maybe that's part of the deal that lets them make films like Wall-E & Up.


If that's the deal, I can live with it.
 

AmishNazi

Banned
I'm betting the "Daycare plot" is a look here look here tactic... I'm thinking that Andy has a kid in this one... Daycare doesn't make sense because he'd just pass em on to the younger sibling.
 
trinest said:
Wall-E is a wake up call- Toy Story has no room to be dark unless its burning them alive.
Why does it have to be dark? I'm talking about it making people cry. Toy Story 2 made plenty of people cry with Jesse's back story. In fact I think TS3 will actually be the most emotional and possibly dark of all the TS films. It deals exclusively with Andy growing up and leaving behind his childhood, and on the flip-side, how the toys will deal with that. While I believe TS3 will ultimately be a happy film, there is a LOT of room for some major sad in it.

And it just occurred to me that we'll likely be seeing the teaser for it in front of UP in a few months. Yessssss
 

oneHeero

Member
Costanza said:
Nah, the first movie was one of my favorites when I was a kid. It just doesn't hold up for me anymore..

I will say that I absolutely adore Wall-E and Ratatouille (and what I've seen of The Incredibles) and I'm sorta looking forward to Up.
Rataouille sucked imo. I would go as far as saying it wasnt even a kids movie, so boring.

I own Wall-E on BR though and fuck the incredibles.

Toy Story 1/2>Your taste in Pixar movies Constanza.
 

oneHeero

Member
WordAssassin said:
It's been said already that test screenings of a 60-70% complete version of UP is sadder then Benjamin Button. The earliest reports say that people were tearing up within the first 5-10 minutes. I have a feeling that while UP will be amazingly great, it's going to also be very, very sad. I teared up within the first 5 minutes of WALL-E, but that was an alarmingly personal movie for me. I think UP will have a loooot of people dabbing their eyes by the time it's over.
whoa whoa whoa whoa, teared up in the first 5 minutes of Wall-E. I own the movie, is there something I'm missing? For the love of kittens, is there a hidden meaning in Wall-E and I'm the idiot who didnt understand it? I guess I'll smoke tonight and watch it.
 
oneHeero said:
Rataouille sucked imo. I would go as far as saying it wasnt even a kids movie, so boring.

It wasn't a kids film though.

If you want shitty kids films go watch a Dreamworks film.
With it ensemble cast of "Voice Talents"...
 
NintendoTogepi said:
Masterpieces:
WALL•E
Ratatouille
Finding Nemo
The Incredibles

People are still in love with this? I figured after a while everyone would step back and realize it was a pretty by-the-numbers animated family flick. The Incredibles is probably one of my least favorite Pixar movies.
 

ElyrionX

Member
Blu_LED said:
Why does Disney allow Pixar to work on the sequels to their IP's, but movies like the Lion King 2 and other major Disney sequels get farmed out, and pushed to direct to DVD releses?

It was probably because of Michael Eisner.
 

wRATH2x

Banned
I just wanted to say this for a long time,I fucking hate The Incredibles,I cannot believe people list this as a masterpiece,its not bad,but its overrated and gets too much love.
 

Darko

Member
JzeroT1437 said:
People are still in love with this? I figured after a while everyone would step back and realize it was a pretty by-the-numbers animated family flick. The Incredibles is probably one of my least favorite Pixar movies.

Wrath2X said:
I just wanted to sy this for a long time,I fucking hate The Incredibles,I cannot believe people list this as a masterpiece,its not bad,but its overrated and gets too much love.

FUCK YALL

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oneHeero

Member
dabookerman said:
It wasn't a kids film though.

If you want shitty kids films go watch a Dreamworks film.
With it ensemble cast of "Voice Talents"...
ALL ANIMATED MOVIES ARE KIDS MOVIES AND RATAOUILLE WAS NOT A KID MOVIE WE WERE ROBBED.

I hope I got my point across since I typed it out in caps to express the rage I feel after reading your reply to me.
 

Weapxn

Mikkelsexual
Wrath2X said:
I just wanted to say this for a long time,I fucking hate The Incredibles,I cannot believe people list this as a masterpiece,its not bad,but its overrated and gets too much love.
YESSS! It is SO overrated. I love superheroes and Pixar so much, so I figured, "Oh hey, this is a match made in heaven!" WRONG. It was good, but it is by far my least favorite Pixar movie. That movie and series had more potential than almost any of their other movies. Damn. It just seemed too...slow.
 

Darko

Member
Wrath2X said:
An Oscar doesnt make a good film,why are you showing me this picture,besides Im pretty sure its a "Best Animated Film" Oscar,oh holy lord look at the competition!

Im just being a dick, "Brad bird don't giv a fuk" :lol .. I could see how someone could be disapointed with it, but i enjoyed it very much. its definatley not the 'masterpeice' people are claiming it to be.
 
santouras said:
I really liked A Bugs Life

Me too. I don't understand the hate it gets. Pixar hasn't made a movie I didn't like. I don't know that Toy Story needs a sequel, but they have it back in their hands now and I trust them. I thought TS2 was fantastic, probably even better than the original.
 
Incredibles 2>>>Toy Story 3

Let the franchise go please. The plot sounds laughably bad, and I can't believe anyone finds that sad.

Incredibles 2 on the other hand could be fuck awesome. Mr and Mrs Incredible get kidnapped and the kids team up with their superhero grand parents to save them!
 
DrForester said:
Toy Story 3: Sid's Revenge!

sid-2.jpg


10 years after the first Toy Story, Sid has finally planned his revenge. After faking a college acceptance for Andy to get him out of the house, Andy and Family leave to take him to school. Sid breaks in to exact revenge upon the toys that wronged him.
Oh my god I just realized he looks like Jimmy Neutron, Can't unsee!
 

Dyno

Member
PhoenixDark said:
Incredibles 2 on the other hand could be fuck awesome. Mr and Mrs Incredible get kidnapped and the kids team up with their superhero grand parents to save them!

Sounds fine with me! Pixar loves their super heroes and they treated that genre with love. I want to see an Incredible sequel or another Pixar super hero movie more than anything.
 
PhoenixDark said:
Incredibles 2>>>Toy Story 3

Either make a trilogy or no sequel at all.
They wouldn't do Toy Story 3 if they weren't going to do it correctly.

And Brad Bird has absolutely no interest in an Incredibles 2 right now.
He's pre-occupied with 1906 and I heard rumblings of a 2D venture after that.

Darko said:
:lol :lol Bird swoops in for the win.
 
oneHeero said:
Rataouille sucked imo. I would go as far as saying it wasnt even a kids movie, so boring.

It's not a kids movie.

It's a movie about finding, igniting, and pursuing your passion.
Basically it's an American version of "Kiki's Delivery Service".

It's a more niche story, but not every movie needs (or should) have broad appeal like Nemo or Incredibles.

In short, Ratatouille is awesome and has the best (YEP I SAID BEST) character animation Pixar has ever done.
 
oneHeero said:
whoa whoa whoa whoa, teared up in the first 5 minutes of Wall-E. I own the movie, is there something I'm missing? For the love of kittens, is there a hidden meaning in Wall-E and I'm the idiot who didnt understand it? I guess I'll smoke tonight and watch it.
As I said it was an insanely personal movie for me. I identified with Wall-E more then any other character I've ever seen on screen. So what got tears in my eyes, even though I'd seen in in commercials several times before, but in context is when he's watching Hello Dolly and he clasps his hands together. Even months after I'd seen the movie, that song came on my iPod while driving and it all came back and I got teary-eyed again. :lol So it's not that you're missing anything, it's purely a personal thing and I'm a huge sap. :D

PhoenixDark said:
Incredibles 2>>>Toy Story 3

Let the franchise go please. The plot sounds laughably bad, and I can't believe anyone finds that sad.

Incredibles 2 on the other hand could be fuck awesome. Mr and Mrs Incredible get kidnapped and the kids team up with their superhero grand parents to save them!

You think the plot of TS3 sounds bad, and then you suggest that laughable BS plotline for TI2? Thank God you don't work at Pixar. Or were you joking? I'll agree that the "twin brother" thing sounds stupid and is more then likely fake, but the main plot involving the daycare is far from stupid and has been in the cards for a long, long time and yes, it does open the door for a very sad movie. If you can't understand why I'm sure I could explain it for you.

Buckethead said:
And Brad Bird has absolutely no interest in an Incredibles 2 right now.
He's pre-occupied with 1906 and I heard rumblings of a 2D venture after that.

PLEASE GOD LET IT BE RAY GUNN
 

oneHeero

Member
WordAssassin said:
As I said it was an insanely personal movie for me. I identified with Wall-E more then any other character I've ever seen on screen. So what got tears in my eyes, even though I'd seen in in commercials several times before, but in context is when he's watching Hello Dolly and he clasps his hands together. Even months after I'd seen the movie, that song came on my iPod while driving and it all came back and I got teary-eyed again. :lol So it's not that you're missing anything, it's purely a personal thing and I'm a huge sap. :D
O ok, I was like wtf haha. Obviously I had no idea what Ratouille was about either, while I watched it once and saw pieces here and there(cuz of my daughter) it wouldnt be something I'd buy and want to watch again. Just boring.

You think the plot of TS3 sounds bad, and then you suggest that laughable BS plotline for TI2? Thank God you don't work at Pixar. Or were you joking? I'll agree that the "twin brother" thing sounds stupid and is more then likely fake, but the main plot involving the daycare is far from stupid and has been in the cards for a long, long time and yes, it does open the door for a very sad movie. If you can't understand why I'm sure I could explain it for you.


PLEASE GOD LET IT BE RAY GUNN
I agree %100. He hates on TS3 plot but than picks the most generic story for Incredibles 2. I hate that fucken movie, way to much praise and overrated.
 

Nemo

Will Eat Your Children
You mofos need to stop hating on older pixar movies. Bugs life was awesome.

Can't wait for some TS3.
 

agrajag

Banned
Lucia K.B. Hall
The original Toy Story, released in 1995 by Disney/Pixar, has impressed critic Leonard Maltin as a "grown-up story masquerading as a kid's film," while Toy Story 2, released this past holiday season, contains a philosophy that is "kind of profound," according to Roger Ebert. As the sequel is now the second-highest-grossing film in Disney history (after The Lion King), this seems a good time to take a close look at both films to see if we can discover just what these critics might be talking about. What sort of philosophy has been so cleverly hidden beneath what appears to be the straightforward buddy picture of the first movie and the simple rescue mission of the second?

I believe that within both films there is a depiction of a deep and moving humanism. Not just within the simple plots; certainly there are the obvious humanist virtues of loyalty, friendship, courage, cooperation, and honor aplenty. No, I believe that within each movie can be found what appears to be a carefully thought-out and detailed humanist message. I would be dishonest if I claimed that this interpretation is what the writers actually intended. But not only do I think this interpretation works, after having come up with it I find it hard to see the stories in any other way.

Toy Story 1: As It Appears to Be

Woody the cowboy doll, Andy's favorite toy, finds himself usurped from that position by the arrival of Buzz Lightyear, Space Ranger. Buzz's whooshing space helmet, micro-chip voice, "aluminum carbide" wings, "laser" light, communicator, and "karate-chop action" make Woody's pullstring and tired "There's a snake in my boot!" seem decidedly low-tech and low-quality. An intense rivalry develops between the two--rivalry that turns into frank mockery on Woody's part when he realizes that Buzz believes he is the actual Buzz Lightyear from Star Command and not a toy at all.

The depth of Buzz's delusion is clearly shown when he closes his eyes and "flies" around the room in a series of plausible accidents that Woody correctly interprets as "falling with style." And the depth of Woody's frustration is shown when, in an attempt to prevent Andy from choosing Buzz instead of him to go on an outing, Woody attempts to knock Buzz down behind a bureau.

The attempt goes too far, however, and Buzz is knocked out the window. Woody is taken on the outing but Buzz, furious, follows and catches up with him. The ensuing fight leaves them both lost and alone--Woody terrified by the fact that he is a "lost toy" and Buzz, still deluded, upset that he has been prevented from successfully completing his mission against the "evil Emperor Zurg." This infuriates Woody, who tries yet again to explain to Buzz, "You are a toy! You are a child's plaything!" so he can get Buzz to help him figure out a way to get back to Andy. Buzz's comment is, "You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity."

Eventually they manage to find Andy but are prevented from rejoining him by Sid, Andy's next-door neighbor, who takes the two toys home to "play." A ghastly child, Sid delights in torturing his toys. His room is filled with horribly mutilated playthings that roam about in silent, furtive groups. Both Woody and Buzz are desperate to escape. They find a fortunate opportunity when Sid's usually locked door is left open. But they get separated, and Buzz ends up in a den with the television blaring.

"Buzz Lightyear, this is Star Command! Come in, Buzz Lightyear!" says the TV, and Buzz, excited and relieved to hear from Star Command at last, eagerly opens his communicator to answer. But the television blithely continues on with the commercial, completely ignoring Buzz. Buzz watches in horror as an exact replica of himself is shown, in excruciating detail, to be nothing but a toy--and not even a flying toy at that. His rival Woody has been right all along.

Buzz leaves the room in despair, all the meaning in his universe turned upside down. "Years of academy training wasted!" he laments. Now that he realizes he is a toy, he feels valueless, worthless, unable to save Woody, unable even to save himself. Woody has to explain to him that he has value exactly because he is a toy and not a real space ranger. "Look at you," Woody tells him, "You are a really cool toy."

It takes a long night of hard thinking before Buzz comes to accept that Woody is right. So, with the aid of Sid's maimed but gentle toys, which know all too well what it is to be hurt and how important it is to help, Buzz and Woody manage to escape Sid's clutches and are reunited with Andy.

Humanism Under the Surface

In order to see what is hidden here in plain sight, we need to realize that the world these characters inhabit is a toy version of the real world. The toys are metaphorical human beings, the problems they face are metaphorical versions of human problems, their hopes and feelings and desires are human ones: In and of themselves the events in the toy story have no particular validity; they merely motivate these metaphors to act and show their true nature.

Seen as such an allegory, Toy Story becomes a carefully wrought description of two opposing world views: naturalism and supernaturalism. Woody and the other toys in the playroom represent the naturalistic world view. They are mechanisms--material objects that have a material source, a real-world history and origin (Mattel or Playskool or such), and no function other than to be just what they are. Woody embodies basic American Pragmatism. He's a toy, a mechanism, a material being; he knows it and is content with it.

Buzz, on the other hand, is an other-worldly being whose aims, purpose, and reason for existence come from outside this toy reality. Just as Christian believers in our world think they truly are embodied, immaterial souls guided by God and charged with the duty of defeating Satan, Buzz believes he truly is a space ranger directed by Star Command and charged with the duty of defeating the evil Emperor Zurg. He is "real" (that is, not just a toy) even if he is forced to follow the rules of being a toy (such as freezing still in the presence of humans)--just as religious believers are "spiritual" even though they are forced to take into account the facts of this material, physical world like the rest of us.

Buzz, supremely confident in his delusion, firmly believes himself to be "something more" than all the other "sad, strange little men" around him--just as religious believers do. After all, he can fly (perform or receive occasional miracles) even if foolish Woody, the humanist in the corner, thinks that all he can actually do is "fall with style" (live within the real constraints of the laws of physics).

Not until he is shown, point by excruciating point Coy the television--the voice of the modern world, of science, of technology) that he is in fact a mechanism, in a way that even he can't deny, does Buzz realize that his rival Woody has been telling him the truth all this time. Even then he can't believe it and tries, one more time, to embrace the wonderful story of his cosmic purpose as it was revealed to him on the box he came in (his bible). But when an effort to fly fails, even Buzz must admit he is a mechanism, a material object, a toy.

Having believed he had "infinity and beyond" in his grasp ("all this and heaven, too!"), he now feels he is nothing, absolutely worthless, and of no help to anyone. If he can't be a space ranger he can't be anything meaningful In his despair he gives up completely: "Andy's house, Sid's house, what's the difference?" he asks. If the atheists are right, what difference does it make in what material circumstance the believer finds himself? If it has to do with the material world, it is all vanity--worthless, purposeless, valueless. Without heaven and God, life is meaningless. What does it matter where you end up?

Even as a toy, however, Buzz in fact has worth and meaning--just as human beings have worth and meaning even if they are "nothing but" material objects. Saving the poor tortured toys in Sid's room has meaning, just as working to make the material world a better place has meaning. Going back to Andy--to the democracy of the playroom--has meaning and value, even if there isn't a heaven or a Star Command. "Falling with style" has meaning, even if it isn't flying. Loyalty has meaning. Understanding has meaning. Honesty has meaning.

And so Buzz courageously accepts his lot and even makes good use of his life, saving the day within the terms of the material, scientific, and humanistic universe in which he now realizes he has been all along.

Toy Story 2: As It Appears to Be

Woody is accidentally damaged by Andy during play and put up on a high shelf while Andy goes off to Cowboy Camp. Woody is horrified, as this is tantamount to death for a toy--as is ominously shown the following morning when a pathetic penguin sharing the shelf with him is summarily dragged off to a garage sale. Woody vows to rescue the penguin and does so with the help of Andy's dog Buster. But he himself is accidentally left behind and falls into the clutches of Al of Al's Toy Barn, who has been looking for a Woody doll for a long time.

When Woody is taken to Al's penthouse apartment, he discovers he is not "just" a toy but a "valuable collectible," part of the famous 1950s TV show Woody's Roundup. His Roundup companions--the cowgirl Jessie, the horse Bullseye, and the prospector Stinky Pete (who has never been removed from his box)--all greet him with enormous enthusiasm. Woody wonders why, and Jessie explains that with Woody there they form a complete set and can be sold for a large amount of money to the Koneshi Toy Museum in Tokyo.

Woody, though deeply impressed and flattered by their attention and his unexpected importance, demurs, declaring that he has to go back to Andy. This disappoints the other Roundup toys, particularly Jessie, who loathes the idea of being put back into storage. The tender-hearted Woody then finds himself pinned on the horns of a moral dilemma: should he go back to Andy's room and rejoin his old friends, or remain and help his TV companions? Woody wants to return home but "How long will Andy's love last, Woody?" Stinky Pete asks. He warns Woody that, as a toy, he is certain to be abandoned --as Jessie was. Jessie tells her sad story and Woody realizes that, in time, Andy will abandon him as well. Surely the toy museum is a better choice.

In the meantime, Woody's old friends at Andy's house, having identified Al from the TV advertisements, vow to rescue Woody. A group of them leave Andy's room for a nineteen-block journey to Al's Toy Barn. Once there, they set off in different directions looking for Woody. In the process, Buzz discovers an entire aisle full of copies of himself.

Except they aren't quite copies. They're a slightly newer version of Buzz --one with a utility belt. Buzz realizes the belt might be useful and tries to sneak one off of a display model. He almost succeeds but the display model catches him. Every bit as deluded as Buzz once was, the display model says that Buzz has broken Star Command rules by coming out of hypersleep too soon and forces him into an empty box.

Buzz eventually escapes to rejoin the rescue team, which reaches Woody a short time later. The rescue fails, however, when Woody refuses to return, declaring, "Who am I to break up the Roundup gang?" The rescuers leave disappointed but not before Buzz upbraids Woody for his cowardice and for valuing Andy's love so little.

After thinking it over, Woody realizes Buzz is right and decides to go back to Andy after all--except that Stinky Pete, "forced to take desperate measures," prevents him from leaving. Sick of being unwanted and unbought but terrified of facing the dangers of being played with by a child, Stinky Pete prevents the others from rescuing Woody.

Soon Al returns and packs the toys for their trip to Japan. So the rescue team follows Al to the airport. Cliff-hanging rescue effort follows cliff-hanging rescue effort until Buzz, riding Bullseye, saves the day. The toys then return home on a stolen baggage-handling truck--all except Stinky Pete, who has been added to a little girl's backpack along with a Barbie doll. He is mortified and becomes even more so when he sees that the girl has painted pretty designs on Barbie's face and realizes that, whatever fate awaits him, he will definitely not remain in mint condition!

More Humanism Under the Surface

Finding meaning in Toy Story 2 comes from realizing that the metaphor behind the surface story tries to answer a very important question: once you've released yourself from belief in the immaterial, how are you going to live your material life? Are you going to live it courageously, willing to love others deeply enough to risk the pain of loss and rejection, the inevitability of growing old and finally dying? Or are you going to take the safer path of avoiding love and change so you can fool yourself into believing you can somehow last forever?

Woody begins the movie facing the uncomfortable realization of his own mortality--the realization that change in a material world inevitably leads to death and dissolution. Once he discovers the other members of Woody's Roundup, however, he finds out he is famous, important, and even marketable --provided he is willing to never change again and, more importantly, to give up Andy's love, a love that seems less valuable once he realizes it will ultimately come to an end. What is being offered looks like a practical, material heaven without the risk of mortality, ugliness, or abandonment. All he has to do is give up Andy's limited love and replace it with the endless, though distant, affection of strangers. It sounds too good to be true.

And surely it seems the best possible choice once he hears Jessie's story. Jessie has known real love, as has Woody, but, like a jilted lover, she is so full of pain she believes that not only will she never be loved again but that being loved in the first place wasn't worth her current agony. She's more than willing to accept the prospector's route of the sterile, distant approval that comes with a changeless, frozen fame rather than risk such pain again.

Stinky Pete has convinced her of this lie. And who can blame him? Kept in a box all his life, brought up, if you will, without any love at all, he is a kind of sociopath, convinced that his loveless condition is natural and proper not only for himself but for everyone else as well --so much so that he refuses to accept Woody's offer to come back with him to Andy's room and be a loved toy. In a single moment of carefully calculated tenderness he encourages Jessie to tell her sad story because he knows it will convince Woody of the transience of Andy's love. Stinky Pete can then be sold at last and never have to risk getting damaged or broken. He wants this eternal, changeless living death of being a toy in a museum because he is, in fact, terrified of real life. He will literally do anything to achieve his ends, even if it means ruining the chances of the rest of the Roundup gang for happiness with Andy. As Woody says, "You really are stinky, Pete."

But it is the truly enlightened Buzz who points out the folly of this hopeless desire for changelessness in the real world--a Buzz who has had to fight being forced back into the cookie-cutter world of the hordes of his religious brethren, a Buzz who has deeply taken to heart Woody's own message that toys are meant to be played with, even broken, because that's the price you pay for the privilege of being alive and loved.

Human beings, however much we might wish otherwise, are mortal, fallible, and subject to wear and tear, no matter how many face-lifts we have in an attempt to restore lost youth, no matter how many cryogenic heavens we might try to enter. Loving and being loved are what, make life worthwhile. And even though death is inevitable, as Woody says, life will be "fun while it lasts."

Coming from Disney, the home of the fantasyland philosophy of "wish upon a star," it's refreshing to see two movies expressing adult and grounded values that we can all readily embrace. For even though our whole existence is confined to this little planetary toyroom, even though we must face a life of limited length in which we risk both physical and emotional injury, that life is still rewarding and worth cherishing. Life has meaning when we are fully engaged in it. We don't need instructions from a supernatural Star Command, nor the permanence of either a heavenly or an earthly toy museum to find that meaning. Toys or people, our humanist purpose is best found in those we love.

Lucia K. B. Hall, a former biochemist, is the owner/artist of Planetary Dragon-works, writes both fiction and nonfiction, is the editor of the San Diego Humanist, and is the current president of the Humanist Association of San Diego. Her e-mail address is lucia@abac.com.

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I think Ratatouille is still Pixar's best movie, though WALL-E is extremely close; I just identify more with Ratatouille, personally.

I'm super-duper excited for UP, though; Pixar knows how to tug at the heart strings better than most anyone nowadays. Honestly, I think Pixar is only going to get better with time; their best is yet to come, and their decline is probably a long way away.
 

smokeymicpot

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For anyone that never read the Up synopsis on Ain't It cool. Here it is http://www.aintitcool.com/node/36333 It has spoilers in it but it basically tells you the whole plot. It will be a very sad movie it seems. Pixar gets more adult with each movie. They follow the audience that they started with it seems.
 
DrForester said:
Toy Story 3: Sid's Revenge!

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10 years after the first Toy Story, Sid has finally planned his revenge. After faking a college acceptance for Andy to get him out of the house, Andy and Family leave to take him to school. Sid breaks in to exact revenge upon the toys that wronged him.
From a young age Sid learned that devils truly exist. Can sid overcome the darkness and fear that haunts his soul and bring his plans to fruition?
 
smokeymicpot said:
For anyone that never read the Up synopsis on Ain't It cool. Here it is http://www.aintitcool.com/node/36333 It has spoilers in it but it basically tells you the whole plot. It will be a very sad movie it seems. Pixar gets more adult with each movie. They follow the audience that they started with it seems.
Is this a leak from inside Pixar? what type of asshole worker would do something like that when they are given such creative freedom?.
 

smokeymicpot

Beat EviLore at pool.
octopusman said:
Is this a leak from inside Pixar? what type of asshole worker would do something like that when they are given such creative freedom?.

It's not a leak at all. He explains how he even came to see it.
 

theJwac

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I've been watching these movies a lot again recently as my son loves them. They are fantastic and I'm really excited for "Toy Story 3" because "Toy Story 2" was a sequel that was a rare improvement on the original.

As for "Cars", it is definitely the weakest Pixar film but I don't think "A Bug's Life" needs to be grouped with it.

I'm not too sure about "Up", but I'll keep my reservations until I see it as Wall-E was the best film of 2008.
 
1) Pixar has NEVER made a bad movie. Cars and A Bug's Life are great. Not their best, but still great. The best is still The Incredibles (not Wall*E)

2) Toy Story 2 is also great, and I feel better than the first, but not by a lot.
 

7Th

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PhoenixDark said:
Incredibles 2>>>Toy Story 3

Let the franchise go please. The plot sounds laughably bad, and I can't believe anyone finds that sad.

Incredibles 2 on the other hand could be fuck awesome. Mr and Mrs Incredible get kidnapped and the kids team up with their superhero grand parents to save them!

I see what you did there.

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