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Transgender journalist at EG Expo called "this person" on stage at MS event (See OP)
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BurnOutBrighter
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I agree. If this happened as described it's very bad of course, but we need to make sure it actually happened as described.
Are there any other sources backing up her account?
Nothing is off limits to comedians.
Felix Lighter
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I just clicked her twitter account. So much inhuman bile being spewed at her. I can't wrap my head around such hateful garbage.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
"This is why I regularly consider dropping out of this industry."
Never focus on all the people that dont call her an it, but when there is one, hundreds of thousands of people all thrown under the bus. I can understand being angry and lashing out, but it doesnt really do any good and makes her plight a little harder to sympathise with.
The removal of the posts has the (perhaps intended) consequence that new posters enter, make the same kind of offensive post and are quickly banned. Post removed. Cycle repeats.
To shitty comedians maybe.
Yes, including other developers like the guy behind Thomas Was Alone.
Brianimaniac
Banned
I said be specific. What information do you have on their vetting process? If you don't actually have specific information on what they did or didn't do, then you are really jumping to conclusions by saying it was their fault.
BronsonLee
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I'll be blunt here:
Unless she outright said 'yo I'm trans but it's cool to mislabel me gender wise' there's no justification.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Microsoft are responsible for the people they hire to represent them at events like this. He obviously isn't an employee of the company but he has still been chosen to represent them in a public fashion. They want the benefits of having these kinds of entertainers at their events so they definitely should face the consequences if bad things occur, as they have.
Now Microsoft is a very good employer for LGBT concerns, so if they react as they should with apologies and by firing/ending the contract with this guy etc., then they shouldn't be criticised too harshly.
That's not an excuse...
Nothing is off limits to anyone. They just have to deal with the consequences of people reacting to it though.
There's potential if she then decided to release the name after it was given to her. The best solution for everyone would be if the CEO/President of the company offers one instead.
To any comedian.
DomeSplitter
Banned
Was this thread started so people could blame Microsoft or actually discuss the situation because most of what I read was MS hate.
This is like the when the FA hired that comedian for the Players Player of The Year award before the summer and he used the N-word.
Nothing a organisation the size of MS can do to predict what their hired off-contract personnel are going to say.
This is like the when the FA hired that comedian for the Players Player of The Year award before the summer and he used the N-word.
Nothing a organisation the size of MS can do to predict what their hired off-contract personnel are going to say.
This is the Michelangelo's David of Neogaf posts.
I don't think you understand the difference between "fault" and "responsible".
What I'm saying is when you pay someone to do a job for you, you are responsible for how they handle themselves in that job. Full stop.
He dehumanised her, and directly mocked someone who agreed to come on stage at a gaming presentation, not a comedy gig, he was over the line, and like you said, he probably knew it, but isn't courageous enough to apologise.
Sidenote, does anyone know if he mocked any other people, from different social groups?
ambar_hitman
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Microsoft is making it a habit to hire incredibly stupid people. This news about Xbox 360 India made me go ROFL
http://www.bgr.in/news/microsoft-india-xbox-ad-fail/
http://www.bgr.in/news/microsoft-india-xbox-ad-fail/
Uh... Gender is what people identify with in social contexts, why would you suggest we stop using it in language when communicating with others?
If this is what it takes to keep a mature and proper discussion while being polite then I'm more than okay with this. I know it's the Internet but that is not an excuse.
Unfortunately, it's REALLY unclear who that is right now.
TouchMyBox
Member
Damn,
I'm sure everyone at microsoft is hugely embarassed by this and they seem to be a pretty friendly LGBT company, but fuck man. You'd think that after xbone reveal and e3 debacles they would have scaled back and made sure they were running a tight ship.
Instead the Xbox One trail of tears continues in its lead up to launch.
I'm sure everyone at microsoft is hugely embarassed by this and they seem to be a pretty friendly LGBT company, but fuck man. You'd think that after xbone reveal and e3 debacles they would have scaled back and made sure they were running a tight ship.
Instead the Xbox One trail of tears continues in its lead up to launch.
The people present also blew off her attempts to get an apology. Their team there handled it quite badly. Microsoft itself will handle it quite well, but a lot of people present will need to get a nice re-education course.
While its true that nothing is off-limits to comedians, a good comedian would also know his or her audience and would have a pulse of humanity at large. There is a way that this could be a joking matter but not as it was presented today. There was no joking or cracking wise here, there was just some hateful speech that got a cheap laugh from a minority of the audience. The real shame here is that now that poor woman's twitter feed is being harrassed by every 12-year-old MS fanboy and bigot in the nation.
freenudemacusers
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Maybe this is true, but singling out one specific individual on the basis of gender/race/so on is not something I have seen from highly skilled and respected comedians. Probably for a reason.
Cosigned. Fuck his occupation, there's a time and place for everything. This was obviously not the time, or place to say such inflammatory things.
IdreamofHIME
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She's being attacked pretty brutally on twitter now, shit. Some real assholes in the world.
Are you a comedian?
The idea that nothing is off-limits to comedians is crazy. The vast majority of comedy is a solo act telling made up stories to a crowd. In that sense, yes mostly anything goes because we all know the "story" you are about to tell probably didn't happen and is just a crafted joke.
Have you ever seen a comedian on stage attack someone's gender, race or sexual orientation directly?
It's never funny. It's annoying and insensitive.
They could have checked to see what kind of material the guy has done in the past, but it's possible he's never done anything like this and realistically you can't prevent someone from going crazy on stage in advance if they decide to.
The part that's more Microsoft's responsibility is making sure their employees don't go "oh, I'm sorry that you were offended" and refuse to give the comedian's name to try to stop you from raising a complaint anywhere else. They also could have, you know, stopped it when it started, but let's say their staff didn't know how to respond to it unfolding on stage: they would have done well to apologize to her afterwards and also not specifically be assholes.
I saw retweets from a third party earlier (I believe it was one of the Thomas Was Alone devs) talking about how uncomfortable he and his friends were made by this situation. It's rather sad that today's industry is plagued by despicable moments like these. (The last one that comes to my mind was the Killer Instinct scripted rape joke that was supposed to be funny apparently, but I digress.)
Or referring to her by her name. That would be cool too...
I'd really like an account of the story from someone else who attended the stage show. Based on her appearance accidentally calling her a he doesn't seem absurd. Calling her it? Totally unacceptable, but it's too easy to jump to conclusions after only hearing one side of the story.
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Those comments on her twitter. And here I thought those GAF posts were bad.
They were bad.
cosmicblizzard
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Wow, what a jerk. I think some of the reactions for a lot of recent stuff like this are overblown, but this guy went way too far and deserves the scorn.
Also, what did the post that got deleted say?
Also, what did the post that got deleted say?
You think if this was a Sony thread it would go differently? Nah son.
Rawket Lawnchair
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It's amazing how some people in such positions are not clever enough to be polite and respectful to other people, for their own good.
Visualante2
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It's not so much the world.. the world is a shit place and it probably always will be: see wars and killing. But.. this is an entertainment industry and we're plagued by all these frustrating issues. That's what really doesn't make sense to me. Our problem seems to be more deep seated.
Indeed, as I said earlier, sometimes racism or sexism (or purposely offensive jokes) in comedy can cross lines and the reactionary response can be aptly negative. And other times we have to hold a thick skin and again aptly recognize that the vast majority of comedy is not "personal" but it's a reactionary shift oriented product of what's in front of comedians. If a guy walked out and was 400lbs, what do you think what would have happened? The problem I see of course is the person walking out had no idea of what's going on and who's presenting. It's a different context entirely from a comedy gig.
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