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Trump/Pelosi/Schumer Debt Ceiling Bill Passes

BoogieWoogie

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TRUMP/PELOSI/SCHUMER BILL PASSES HOUSE -- 319-90



All 90 votes were from Republicans.

More info:

The House cleared a package Friday to provide more than $15 billion in disaster aid for victims of Hurricane Harvey, raise the debt ceiling and fund the government for three months.

President Donald Trump is expected to swiftly sign the bill, which delivered on the fiscal deal he struck with Democrats earlier this week. The House passed the bill 316-90, a day after the Senate passed it, 80-17.
 

boiled goose

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This is good.

But what about those saying that working with Trump would give him political capital to do horrible things?

Oh that only applies to certain politicians not centrist Democrats. I await the hypocrisy.
 

Viewt

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Who would oppose this?

I'm assuming it's partially the Freedom Caucus. They would never vote to raise the debt ceiling (something that we don't even NEED - it's a made-up political construct) without significant cuts. i.e. If we're raising the ceiling by 500 billion dollars, we need to cut 500 billion from the budget.
 

Mortemis

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This is good.

But what about those saying that working with Trump would give him political capital to do horrible things?

Oh that only applies to certain politicians not centrist Democrats. I await the hypocrisy.

What political capital does this give him?
 

SuperBanana

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He's probably so excited to have finally passed something he'll team up with the Dems now because they'll help him more than the GOP. lmao.
 

BoogieWoogie

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Why do republicans oppose this?

Because they wanted to push the debt ceiling talk to 18 months rather than 3, so they wouldn't have to deal with it before mid-terms. They now have no leverage power in negotiations for the debt ceiling and the Democrats can, hopefully, get some shit done (DACA, etc)
 

JustenP88

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TRUMP/PELOSI/SCHUMER BILL PASSES HOUSE

I want to get that sentence tattooed on my ass
 

RDreamer

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Why do republicans oppose this?

Republicans largely don't. The debt ceiling is used by both parties when they're in the minority as a tool to get something they want.

Unfortunately somewhere along the way Republicans pushed too hard and elected a bunch of nut jobs that weren't in on the game. The freedom caucus actually does oppose raising the debt ceiling because they're literal fucking crazy people. They want to cut spending instead, and threaten default to get that which is just nuts.
 

Ekai

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This is good.

But what about those saying that working with Drumpf would give him political capital to do horrible things?

Oh that only applies to certain politicians not centrist Democrats. I await the hypocrisy.

E'yup.



Personally I want to see the bill itself to see if anyone was compromised away. If not that's an improvment. And if not now, will have to be vigilant if it happens later.

Why do republicans oppose this?

Because they don't want the poor/the suffering to get help. Bootstraps and all of that. Plus Trump fucked them over hardcore by jumping to the Dems on this. There's more details in other threads but regardless, they're opposed because this ties their hands hardcore.
 

theWB27

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Republicans never thought they'd have to work so hard with so much power. They have a ton of shit on their plate that only gets done if they get off their ass. Wow.
 

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Who would oppose this?

Many conservatives oppose raising the debt ceiling without massive spending cuts in exchange because they don't understand what the debt ceiling is and don't believe anything happen would happen if we defaulted on the national debt.

This is good.

But what about those saying that working with Trump would give him political capital to do horrible things?

Oh that only applies to certain politicians not centrist Democrats. I await the hypocrisy.

Huh? The only people who got political capital out of this deal were Democrats.
 

Chaos2Frozen

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"Wow! It's so much easier to work with democrats! I should work with them more and do what they want!"

Good boy
 

Gaardus

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Why do republicans oppose this?
This bill means we'll have a debt ceiling debate again in December. Hardcore Republicans dislike raising the ceiling at all (under the rationale that the debt is irresponsibly high), and no one likes the threat of government shutdown. Since Republicans have the majority, they'll take the heat for either one, and having to repeat this process in December means it will be fresh(er) in voters' minds during the midterm elections. Republicans wanted to push things back all the way past the midterm elections.
 

Random Human

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Seriously, he gave them something and got nothing in return.

His handlers are livid.
This is all about him wanting a win. He got played for a symbolic victory that will piss off his party, amazing.
 

Yekshemesh

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They like using this as a threat to get whatever they want.

They hold the US economy hostage for political gain.

Which makes this doubly satisfying when you see Paul Ryan on TV complaining about Dems using the dept cieling for political gains.
 

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You can't "give up" anything when you're not in a power to demand it!

That's why this is so insane (from a strategic perspective) and the GOP is so pissed- he gave away leverage w/o getting anything but positive press in return.
 

Tobor

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What political capital does this give him?

His base isn't Republicans. They are Trumpicans. They don't care who he works with or what he does, as long as he can tell them how awesome he is at rallies.

He's spinning this as a great deal, the best deal!
 

HylianTom

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You can't "give up" anything when you're not in a power to demand it!

That's why this is so insane (from a strategic perspective) and the GOP is so pissed- he gave away leverage w/o getting anything but positive press in return.
I want Chuck, Nancy, and Trump to remember this wonderful press coverage when the next SCOTUS vacancy comes along.. 🙃
 
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You know, I don't really care about political capital anymore. I'm proud that Democrats actually give a shit about policy and helping people, politics be damned.

By all means, we should obstruct the fuck out of Trump when he tries to do racist or immoral things, but we should strike deals where possible to help people. As long as suffering is reduced as a result, it's a good thing. Government shutdowns and political obstruction hurt people and should be avoided. The Republicans don't give a shit, they did it to Obama for 8 years just to win elections. But I'm proud to belong to a party that doesn't do that. It's frustrating at times for a political junkie like me, but a point of pride nonetheless.
 

Nipo

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Why do republicans oppose this?

Because by only funding the government 90 days they have to re-do this before midterm elections and it will eat up more time they want to be working on other things like tax reform.

The problem is the debt ceiling is a "must do" item where everything else they want to work on is a "want to do" so this always will take precedence
 

Leona Lewis

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Seriously, he gave them something and got nothing in return.

His handlers are livid.
If he's angling for 2020, this is exactly what he'll need to do more of. Get enough gullible independent voters to think he's an evenhanded bipartisan tactician rather than the blind bull in a china shop his dwindling 30% want him to be.

Now he emerges looking like roses - a sympathetic figure looking out to ensure relief for hurrricane victims and security for Dreamers - all the while forcing the Republican leadership to actually do some legislative work for once.

Or maybe the simple satisfaction of pissing on Ryan/McConnell is really as delicious as it sounds.
 

Wet Bloodfart

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This should have been a homerun for EVERYONE in Congress – pass along relief aid for Houston (does this include Florida as well?) and kick the can for the debt ceiling down the road. It's a win for everyone. But the GOP trying to vote this down just looks terrible for them.
 

HStallion

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His base isn't Republicans. They are Trumpicans. They don't care who he works with or what he does, as long as he can tell them how awesome he is at rallies.

He's spinning this as a great deal, the best deal!

Yeah and? What else is new? He will do that no matter what and his staunchest supporters will eat it up.
 

TwoDurans

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If he's angling for 2020, this is exactly what he'll need to do more of. Get enough gullible independent voters to think he's an evenhanded bipartisan tactician rather than the blind bull in a china shop his dwindling 30% want him to be.

Now he emerges looking like roses - a sympathetic figure looking out to ensure relief for hurrricane victims and security for Dreamers - all the while forcing the Republican leadership to actually do some legislative work for once.

Or maybe the simple satisfaction of pissing on Ryan/McConnell is really as delicious as it sounds.

There is literally no chance this happens.
 

tuxfool

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His base isn't Republicans. They are Trumpicans. They don't care who he works with or what he does, as long as he can tell them how awesome he is at rallies.

He's spinning this as a great deal, the best deal!

True enough. His base is composed of enlightened individuals such as this:
 

BotoxAgent

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You can't "give up" anything when you're not in a power to demand it!

That's why this is so insane (from a strategic perspective) and the GOP is so pissed- he gave away leverage w/o getting anything but positive press in return.

and that's all Trump cares about right now