eBay Huckster
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Trump v. Bernie Debate
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is she then broken out of jail by a drug lord and forced to go on a quest to find the secretary of state's long lost emails?
Adding to this, today's news proves she is guilty of perjury.
"I, Hillary Rodham Clinton, declare under penalty of perjury that the following is true and correct:
While I do not know what information may be responsive for purposes of this law suit, I have directed that all my e-mails on clintonemail.com in my custody that were or potentially were federal records to be provided to the Department of State, and on information and belief, this has been done."
Today:
"For example, the Department and OIG both determined that the production included no email covering the first few months of Secretary Clintons tenurefrom January 21, 2009, to March 17, 2009, for received messages; and from January 21, 2009, to April 12, 2009, for sent messages. OIG discovered multiple instances in which Secretary Clintons personal email account sent and received official business email during this period. For instance, the Department of Defense provided to OIG in September 2015 copies of 19 emails between Secretary Clinton and General David Petraeus on his official Department of Defense email account; these 19 emails were not in the Secretarys 55,000-page production."
Oh man, my fanfiction! How did you get a hold of it?
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Some people were saying exactly that.
IrishNinja
Member
...to do what, exactly?
the report that waved its finger at clinton, powell and the state department as a whole: are you expecting it to evolve into something resembling a charge?
i'm certain i'm going to hate myself for this, but:
a) how exactly does asexual discrimination work? are you not allowed to marry all the people you don't want to?
b) do you really look at the trans community's escalating suicide rates/current struggle and unironically call them "privileged"?
c) you do realize endorsing a candidate based on something as terrible as flat tax pretty much rules out whatever centrist unicorn you're shooting for here, right
Skyline Owl
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Lolololol. Jesus Christ, Bernie. Save yourself the embarrassment and stop. It's over, you lost.
Fucking clown shoes happening right now.
Fucking clown shoes happening right now.
HUELEN10
Member
Why do so many people ignore this!
excelsiorlef
Member
It's funny I've heard of fuck you got mine, but I've never thought I'd see fuck you since I can't get mine.
And dude do not play the Queer oppression olympics.
Not while you're talking about not giving a shit about what happens to LGBT rights, 11 states are suing the Obama government for the right to oppress trans people, Trump wins and there goes the Obama order protecting trans folk.
He's already walked back the indifference to trans people tonight by saying it should be up to the states.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Has he really been going negative? His stump speeches still sound like the same thing he always talks about. But it's not like I've been listening to everything he says.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Jesus christ, didn't we have a fucking thread over these Patreaus e-mails like 6 months ago? Yes, they were not part of the 55,000 page production because this was during the transition process but they were discovered because they were on government servers in some capacity regardless. Clinton likely did not have copies of them because she transitioned away from the system being used after this period.
Clockwork5
Member
Shhh, Europeans don't know about 'mocracy.
Because nothing new has actually come up. It's the last 6 months all over again, but with information that still won't get anyone arrested.
As someone who's listened to most of his speeches lately, the idea that he's suddenly gone negative is media spin.
M0nochromatic
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I know why they're upset. People have been upset at Sanders not falling in line since the moment he jumped in the race. It's just that he's not capable of making any significant distubances at this point in the game. It's all purely symbolic, and any affect is so negligible as to be nill. Those people on the fence at this point aren't going to be swayed by one Sanders v Trump debate. Everyone will get in line by November, bar some kind of world ending cataclysm.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
And this guy is gonna vote for Trump.
I am a fan of Bernie's message. The problem I have with him now is, he ran for the dem nomination, went further than people expected -- but lost --, and is now saying and doing all kinds of erratic shit that undermines the actual future democratic nominee. That doesn't help his cause, that helps Trump's cause.
It's not just this debate thing, which again, I doubt it actually happens. Bernie just said this week that he thinks the dem convention will be "messy." What the hell does that mean? Clinton is easily going to have more delegates than she needs to win at the convention, so he's just stirring shit to stir shit at this point, which is making people mad (see: this thread, or the Entire Internet) and turning super liberal voters against sorta liberal voters. That helps...conservatives. I mean, hell, the DNC just said they would increase his say over the party platform which was a huge olive branch and his response is that he wants to do an unsanctioned 1v1 debate with Trump? It's just off-the-rails type stuff.
I wish he would keep rallying for liberal causes and hammer Trump 24/7, but I can't tell what he's going for at all lately. The only thing that makes sense regarding his continuing antagonism toward Clinton and the whole party right now is what I said earlier, that I think he can't stand the thought of losing the limelight he's had all year. And if he values that over his issues...that's gross. There's really more at stake here than "lol get rekt establishment." I've been trying really hard to stay patient with him, but if he doesn't accept that it's over after California I'm done.
Angelus Errare
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Nobody's interests are fully represented in politics, that's the point. So stop bitching about how your conscious won't let you vote for anyone other than Bernie cause he's the only one who you feel represents you. And by you I mean any chucklefuck who falls back on that (which is A LOT of Bernie bros). Bernie lost, get over, move on, it's over. Yes it sucks when it's your first time voting or even knowing that America has a political system and the candidate you want to win doesn't it does. Honestly I wouldn't know the feeling tbh, because I'm not white so none of these geriatrics have ever been my "hero" they've all been a bunch of lesser evils from 1776 to 2016. Bernie is no different, and since he lost I just move on to the next lesser evil. That's all it's ever been, which of these geriatric fuckers will screw Americans like me whose equal rights are nothing more clauses over the least. It was Bernie, but he lost, so now the next lesser evil is Hilary. Yea yea I know, I know Benghazi, emails, hawk, your conscious, integrity, corrupt system, delegate math.
You guys should try it instead of this whole "Bernie must keep fighting teh evilz!" "Bernie or Bust" shtick so many of you are sticking to. It's not endearing, it's not admirable, it's not patriotic. It's remedial and elementary as fuck more than anything, doubly so considering how Bernie, his supporters, and his team have been acting, because at this point Bernie and his supporters clearly no longer care about his platform or issues he fights for (and let's be real here, a good portion of Bernie supporters don't/never give a fuck about dude's platform or ideology outside of their delusional belief that he's going to erase their student loans, and many others just hopped on the bandwagon that is the latest fad).
Bernie Sanders would get eaten alive by Donald Trump in a debate.
Hell, I don't even like Trump, but Bernie isn't very quick and he's shown a complete inability to modulate his message and think on-the-fly in debates. If you've seen one Sanders debate, you've seen them all. He also tends to freeze up when he gets hit with a potent point (see the Univision debate when they pulled out those Castro receipts). He's a terrible debater.
He may be able to stand up against Hillary because she's handling him with kids gloves, but that won't be Trump, who'll be flinging insults and loaded accusations like a chimp flings shit.
Hell, I don't even like Trump, but Bernie isn't very quick and he's shown a complete inability to modulate his message and think on-the-fly in debates. If you've seen one Sanders debate, you've seen them all. He also tends to freeze up when he gets hit with a potent point (see the Univision debate when they pulled out those Castro receipts). He's a terrible debater.
He may be able to stand up against Hillary because she's handling him with kids gloves, but that won't be Trump, who'll be flinging insults and loaded accusations like a chimp flings shit.
Which is why we dont go by popular vote in elections. I mean we do, but the Electoral College ensures smaller, more liberal states arent overpowered by the giant conservative states like Texas.
Look at the last 2 elections. The popular vote was fairly close, but the Electoral votes were extremely one sided. Obama cleaned up, it wasn't even close really.
Vicetrailia
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Trump will pull a Sean Hannity in this debate.
It's his constant attacks (or up until recently) and insinuations on Hillary that's she's corrupt, accusations of voter fraud and refusing/being unable to provide the receipts. And of course the recent, and weak condemnation he made of the shenanigans from Nevada days ago.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/bernie-sanders-nevada-dem-chair_us_573b4b8de4b0aee7b8e7dfa2
More info today from Bloomberg, contrary to what Hillary has been saying:
"Clinton declined to speak with investigators, according to the report, as did at least three key aides: former Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills, former Director of Policy Planning Jake Sullivan, who is now a top aide on the campaign, and former Deputy Chief of Staff Huma Abedin, who now serves as the campaign vice chairwoman."
What Clinton had claimed:
"We understand that members of her State Department staff were recently asked to assist the Department in its record-keeping by providing any work-related emails they may have on personal accounts. They have received requests from Rep. Gowdy as well.
Clinton is proud of the work of all the dedicated public servants that were part of her team at the State Department. She was proud of her aides then and is proud of them now, as they have committed - as she has - to being as helpful as possible in responding to requests."
excelsiorlef
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He's accused her of money laundering, and of voter fraud in every state he lost basically, also he's been going after the Democratic Party more than the GOP
Monocle
Member
Nah, that's literally wishing for people to die, for education, health care, and science to be derailed, and for women, ethnic minorities, and LGBT people to get fucked. To say nothing of the havoc his foreign policy could wreak overseas. And his Supreme Court appointment(s).
A lot of people who want nothing to do with Trump would suffer under his policies. No way is that a desirable outcome, even if it meant every moron in the US would see the error of their ways.
Why is it so difficult for Hillary to provide the Wall Street transcripts?
It's amazing how Bernie Sander's "message" seems to be "fuck the party I'm running for."
Clockwork5
Member
I don't get this "people should stop speaking out for what they believe in" mentality. It's obvious he is fighting a losing war but to fault people who support him on the basis that they refuse to align with another candidate when he is still out there speaking to their political sensibilities is a bit myopic.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Given that you're so hung up on the indictment that's coming any minute, I think you'll be happy to know that she and her aides have been cooperative with the FBI aka the organization that actually has the ability to indict anyone. All the State Department report did is criticize her for bad decision making. That's a not a crime though now is it?
one carnival of stupid for another
The word "hypocrite" comes to mind.
Rainbowize an avatar one year, vote to throw minorities into the GOP's woodchipper the following year. All for the delusion that Trump is going to touch a few pet financial issues.
Vote for trump, Huelen, that's fine. But own the fact that you're willing to enable bigotry, and that you're willing to judicially enshrine it for decades.
Bernie just tweeted Game On to the idea of a debate with Trump.
eBay Huckster
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What's myopic is pretending that you can't "speak out for what you believe in" regarding the message while simultaneously accepting that the messenger-candidate-turned-old-man-yelling-at-fraud literally would not have any shot even if every Californian south of San Jose died tomorrow.
IrishNinja
Member
i hear ya! it's like b-rock's birth certificate all over again, bruh
we're still waiting on that...what's he got to hide, but the truth?
can't get any clearer than that, really
DirtyManos
Member
I agree that this won't change the endgame in November. I was just expressing my exasperation over these stupid decisions that his campaign keeps making.
Like you said, Bernie and Hillary are nearly identical in their outlook for the country, even if the path is different. So now that the game is almost done, the focus should be on working together to defeat Trump, but it's not. If any votes are swayed, it wouldn't be from this one debate. True. It would be the culmination of Bernie's crazy attacks over the past few weeks. This debate is just a continued pattern of incompetence that's become infuriating.
Clinton refused to cooperate with the state department prove which was closely linked to the FBI investigation and she didn't comply with the policies.
"At a minimum, Secretary Clinton should have surrendered all emails dealing with Department business before leaving government service and, because she did not do so, she did not comply with the Department's policies that were implemented in accordance with the Federal Records Act."
There is a criminal investigation going on and we will have to wait and see whether the FBI decides she is criminally guilty.
Democrats should hope she's indicted because this controversy will be so damaging to her in the GE.
Prototype Viktor
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Trump should totally only debate people who won't be the dem nominee
Bernie
Sam Sloan
Willie Wilson
Vermin Supreme
Martin O'Malley
Bernie
Sam Sloan
Willie Wilson
Vermin Supreme
Martin O'Malley
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
he is going to ruin Sanders if this comes to pass. and by proxy, just make it a big show to attack Clinton.
Clockwork5
Member
I like how you resorted to calling him names.
eBay Huckster
Member
I don't give a shit about dressing him up. Either put up and keep trying to get that message turned into policy or shut up.
Someone should clone Donald Trump so we can see if Trump can stump the Trump.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Are you incapable of both or something? Is that a condition that afflicts a certain segment of America? Can you not vote for a candidate who is obviously going to be the nominee while still spreading Bernie's message?
Of course the answer will always go back to "integrity, my conscious, doesn't truly represent me, won't be able to sleep at night (amazing how they made it this far in life!)" and to that I'll just be like must be nice have such a privileged position in life. *Zzzzz*
They'd just start fucking on stage.
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