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Trump wants health insurance for everyone

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cpp_is_king said:
ACA forces people to buy healthcare or face a penalty. He wants to make healthcare more affordable (which, ironically, the ACA makes *less* affordable despite its name) so that everyone will be able to afford it without being strongarmed into it.
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A critical part of the aca ended health care companies only insuring low risk people, and denying for about everything under the sun. The problem was this was taken as a chance by providers to bleed everyone for it as the shock of uninsured getting care created massive losses (more than what insurance companies predicted) and the constraints to price increases put in with ACA expired about a year or two ago created an even larger shock in prices to any companies that stayed around on the marketplace.

unless trump pulls medicare for all out of his ass, I don't see how this is going to end well for most of those protected by the ACA
 
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cpp_is_king said:
ACA forces people to buy healthcare or face a penalty. He wants to make healthcare more affordable (which, ironically, the ACA makes *less* affordable despite its name) so that everyone will be able to afford it without being strongarmed into it.
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Great. What's the plan? Come on conservatives. Y'all had SIX FUCKING YEARS to figure a better plan.
 
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cpp_is_king said:
ACA forces people to buy healthcare or face a penalty. He wants to make healthcare more affordable (which, ironically, the ACA makes *less* affordable despite its name) so that everyone will be able to afford it without being strongarmed into it.
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This is the type of thinking that got Trump into office
 
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I know people were laughing at my previous posts on this subject of the absurdity of GOP introducing a single payer UHC system but without opposition and being stuck between a rock and hard place now that they are realizing they can't just repeal parts of Obamacare what if it really happens? Even a fixed cost public option to buy into medicare would be something. This could be a pretty surreal moment. I'm doubtful like everyone else but the thought is kind of hilarious. Seeing the hypocrisy of pundits having to switch gears and defend socialism would be a sight to behold.
 
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KernelPanic said:
He said insurance for everyone. He didn't say it would be good.
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That's actually a fairly good description of the Rand Paul plan.

"One of the key reforms that we will do is, we're going to legalize the sale of inexpensive insurance," he said. "That means getting rid of the Obamacare mandates on what you can buy. We are going to help people save through health savings accounts, as well as a tax credit."

Those less expensive options, which were prevalent on the market before the 2010 reform was signed into law, would offer less robust care but also, as supporters argue, be more neatly tailored to what consumers view to be their specific needs.
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rjinaz

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I doubt it but I hope you do. If removing Obama from the name makes it so everybody has affordable health insurance, then so be it. If pettiness gets this done, America will still be better for it.
 
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Ponn said:
I know people were laughing at my previous posts on this subject of the absurdity of GOP introducing a single payer UHC system but without opposition and being stuck between a rock and hard place now that they are realizing they can't just repeal parts of Obamacare what if it really happens? This could be a pretty surreal moment. I'm doubtful like everyone else but the thought is kind of hilarious. Seeing the hypocrisy of pundits having to switch gears and defend socialism would be a sight to behold.
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People keep saying this, but I absolutely believe they can and will leave huge parts of their base uninsured, because they know they can easily trick these brainwashed voters into believing it's A) better for them and B) it's all Obama's fault anyway.
 
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Deuce Deuce

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I'm imagining it's similar to the ACA but with reduced coverage. Maybe just catastrophic coverage with fewer preventive incentives.

Or maybe I'm just an optimist.
 
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Kathian

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The fact he mentions single payer is positive (he's saying he's not doing it but something instead suggests the same end goal) - healthcare is actually something he's been consistently on the left with (yes he Obama bashes but he needs that for his idiotic followers - he's basically said more left wing systems work better elsewhere).
 
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NoblesseOblige

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David H Wong said:
But somebody's going to take a hit, the money has to come from somewhere. And no, it's not as simple as "let the poor folk die." That's a good chunk of Trump's voter base in some key states.
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You sure those Trump voters care? I couldn't count the amount of times growing up in rural midwest that I've heard people express rhetoric that amounts to them willing to suffer rather than accept government benefits. Like straight up refuse food assistance for their own children because it's not 'American' or "that's something the <insert minority> do".
 
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I hope the protests over the prospect of people losing their coverage and safety for pre-existing conditions grows to the point republicans finally get properly scared. This is one of the few things right now that could do it. They can try to pacify their base with propaganda and blaming minorities / immigrants / obama. But medical bills are a hard fact that can't be wished away to the corn field. Grandma losing her insurance because she had cancer twice isn't made any better by saying the wall just got ten feet higher.

But there's also the problem that between ACA sabotage and insurance / drug companies fucking around, many people's insurance has gotten more expensive and even more worthless.

Everyone is really being pulled in all directions with this.
 
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Breads said:
Naw dude the 16-20 million people who were previously uninsured were just forced into it because of the mandate they can't afford. It has nothing to do with the fact that they could now afford it or that rules protecting them from being shut out due to having previous conditions or anything.

Or something.

I dunno what the out of touch excuse is for how ACA is both more expensive and yet 5% more of our population is now ensured.
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I know people who will, in the same breath as badmouthing Obamacare, say it saves them $1500 a month.
 
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Sou Da

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Make Plan that doesn't cover shit

Lie and say it covers everything

Brag about how cheap it is (because it doesn't cover shit)

???

Profit
 
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Ninja Scooter

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HP_Wuvcraft said:
I know people who will, in the same breath as badmouthing Obamacare, say it saves them $1500 a month.
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These are the kinds of people we are dealing with:
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Anything is in play, and the most dangerous part is that Republicans know this and are more than willing to trample on these fools for their own gain.
 
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Ac30 said:
Oh my God. The repeal is probably going to harm many, many people if this is what the "replacement" looks like.
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In the spectrum of healthcare, you have the ACA in the middle, single payer on paper is to the better side. All other options are worse.
 
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Chuck Norris

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Republican voters who lose their Obamacare support will probably just assume they now have health insurance under Trump until they get sick and realise they don't have anything. Then they will blame Obama
 
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Kusagari

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Doesn't Rand's plan axe the preexisting conditions and young adults clauses that should make it DoA if Trump is at all consistent(lol)?
 
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Redd

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I didn't vote for the guy but if he actually can pull affordable insurance off within 3 years he will get re-elected.

He won't though.
 
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CazTGG

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You mean universal healthcare? As in healthcare like your neighbors to the north, Canada have*? As in the country you falsely claimed that Canadians "come into the United States in many cases" on several occasions and claimed that the system Canada has is "catastrophic" despite less than 1% of patients leave the country for operations ?

Good luck with that.

*We have both public and private healthcare though our private healthcare sector doesn't get anywhere near the amount of attention as public, mostly owing to various restrictions in the private sector that limit what services can be provided. P.S. I'm aware our wait times need to improve considering how long it can be for service to be provided and how you should consider additional health insurance if you're leaving Canada.
 
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Trump is saying this because it is popular with his base, not that he actually gives a hoot. He'll fail and blame it on republicans.
 
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cpp_is_king

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balladofwindfishes said:
ACA doesn't make insurance less affordable.
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Tell that to all the people whose premiums have shot through the roof while their coverage simultaneously tanked. Can't explain that!

newshinycd said:
Great. What's the plan? Come on conservatives. Y'all had SIX FUCKING YEARS to figure a better plan.
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There's like 50 different ones in various forms. I don't know what Trump's is. I'm guessing it's similar to Rand Paul's proposal, but we'll have to wait and see. I read somewhere that he'll have specifics by the end of next week.
 
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