Two Apex Legends characters are LGBTQ, say EA and Respawn

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Sqorin Hammerfarf said:
They want to force white men to play as black women. It is basically representation rape
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Exactly.

The only way most people on this board knew about the Lgbt status of any of these people was to read one of the characters bios, or an interview where a rep stated that one character had no stated gender.

It's not like anyone went around advertising the facts with any kind of vigor at all, so what's the problem?

It's because people are experiencing the effects of "representation rape", they just don't know it yet. They were being forced to play as black women and knew something was wrong, but couldn't quite figure out what it was.

This small thing that's now a big topic is just a conduit for.people wanting to express the pain of "representation rape" in the way that they can, because being forced play games as black women is subconsciously upsetting.
 
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More representation is nice but the recent trend of publishers announcing the sexuality of characters in plot-free shooters feels a little cynical. It’s representation that shows up in press releases and interviews but not actually within the game. Let’s see a major publisher sensitively portray more minority characters, sexual and otherwise, in a game’s story and world and marketing material. (Whatever else you think of them, Naughty Dog certainly seems to be using its considerable capital to push Sony to do this.)
 
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we dont have anything against gay people in games just them pandering to gay people in the same way that character designs pander to straight males

(and also if they ever do anything gay like kiss a member of the same sex. why shove it into our face?)
 
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we dont have anything against gay people in games just them pandering to gay people in the same way that character designs pander to straight males

(and also if they ever do anything gay like kiss a member of the same sex. why shove it into our face?)
It's funny, though, you probably wouldn't balk at seeing a straight couple kiss in a game... so why would you worry about an LGBT kiss? I think it's that you tolerate LGBT people, but you're uncomfortable seeing them actually express their sexuality the same way straight people do all the time in games and popular culture.
 
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It's funny, though, you probably wouldn't balk at seeing a straight couple kiss in a game... so why would you worry about an LGBT kiss? I think it's that you tolerate LGBT people, but you're uncomfortable seeing them actually express their sexuality the same way straight people do all the time in games and popular culture.
You don't seem to understand. They have an AGENDA
 
Every time the phrase "challenges assumptions" is unironically used a kitten implodes.

There's nothing noteworthy, profound, righteous, or otherwise progressing man "forwards" (e.g. get us to Mars) about anything outlined in your post.

Respawn did this to:
1. Score cheap PR from fringe groups (that they possibly think matter to their bottom line or optics)
2. Try to put themselves on a pedestal and convey how righteous they are.

I cant make up my mind if developers pull this stuff for purely fiscal reasons (cynical adoption) or if they really do believe it matters and think they're actually fighting some good fight.

Regardless of their conviction or lack thereof, they'll only do it until it hurts their bottom line. The profit firewall purges all but the lucrative convictions ultimately.
You didn’t rebutt anything. There’s nothing wrong with the phrase “challenging assumptions”. Dismissing it as cliche or whatever just makes you feel validated. You didn’t actually counter what I said, so your post is even less monumental. You pretty much just like to hear yourself talk and pretend like you know the intentions of the developers, when you just don’t. There have been gay and LGBT people making your games since the dawn of gaming - and for the first time, throwing in a couple gay characters just because they want to is actually permitted. There is nothing special about the gay characters; they’re just gay. In case you didn’t know, some people are like that.
 
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who cares has pretty much been repeated for 9 pages now. Some people view that as hate signalling.
While others are getting upset because of a 2 line bio of a character. In a game that many people already like. They keep saying "who cares" 100 times. They say it doesn't bother them and they don't care, yet they stay defensive about it in many different threads. It's weird. People are weird.

we dont have anything against gay people in games just them pandering to gay people in the same way that character designs pander to straight males

(and also if they ever do anything gay like kiss a member of the same sex. why shove it into our face?)
This is an under-rated great funny post. It's so covert, that some people may actually believe you think like this for real.
 
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It only comes across as shocking because LGBT kisses have been marginalized for so long that you're not used to it. Also, what's so sinister if there is an "agenda..." learning to accept that LGBT people exist and have romantic relationships? Oh no!
AGAIN, you illiterate and/or stupid people try to conflate two things in an attempt to make people's actual positions seem unreasonable and bigoted. Let's try this again, in simple words so that someone like you might understand.

NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT GAY PEOPLE KISSING. ANYBODY PLAYING GAMES UNDER THE AGE OF 40 HAS GROWN UP IN A WORLD OF OVERWHELMING TOLERANCE, AND NOT ONLY DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GAY PEOPLE, THEY ALSO THINK PEOPLE THAT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GAY PEOPLE ARE ASSHOLES.

The problem is people like you THINK we have a problem with gay people, so you try to force it down our throats in some sort of weird revenge fantasy. You're fucking delusional, and the quality, variety, and value of the products being created is suffering enormously because you are too busy tilting at windmills.

They show two girls kissing and people go, "whatever". And then they go, "I'll bet that made your blood boil, you homophobe!" and everyone goes, "What the fuck is wrong with you?" and they go, "See? Your blood is boiling! Obviously, it is because you ARE a homophobe! Here's even more girls kissing! Go back to Hitler, you Nazi!" It happens EVERY TIME, from Ghostbusters 2016 to Jessica Price to The Last Jedi to GamerGate to this thread and to every other thing that seems to happen in the social justice social media circle jerk.

And just to drive home the point, I love girls kissing. I wish there was more girls kissing out there. But I don't want girls kissing to be part of your revenge porn. It's hard to enjoy something when some creep is in the corner is trying to masturbate to your imaginary tears.
 

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It only comes across as shocking because LGBT kisses have been marginalized for so long that you're not used to it. Also, what's so sinister if there is an "agenda..." learning to accept that LGBT people exist and have romantic relationships? Oh no!
Surely the best way to learn from these things is from a game where 60 people jump out of a dropship in squads and kill eachother on a huge map.

Surely....


@dorkimoe you read my thoughts.
 
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AGAIN, you illiterate and/or stupid people try to conflate two things in an attempt to make people's actual positions seem unreasonable and bigoted. Let's try this again, in simple words so that someone like you might understand.

NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT GAY PEOPLE KISSING. ANYBODY PLAYING GAMES UNDER THE AGE OF 40 HAS GROWN UP IN A WORLD OF OVERWHELMING TOLERANCE, AND NOT ONLY DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GAY PEOPLE, THEY ALSO THINK PEOPLE THAT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GAY PEOPLE ARE ASSHOLES.

The problem is people like you THINK we have a problem with gay people, so you try to force it down our throats in some sort of weird revenge fantasy. You're fucking delusional, and the quality, variety, and value of the products being created is suffering enormously because you are too busy tilting at windmills.

They show two girls kissing and people go, "whatever". And then they go, "I'll bet that made your blood boil, you homophobe!" and everyone goes, "What the fuck is wrong with you?" and they go, "See? Your blood is boiling! Obviously, it is because you ARE a homophobe! Here's even more girls kissing! Go back to Hitler, you Nazi!" It happens EVERY TIME, from Ghostbusters 2016 to Jessica Price to The Last Jedi to GamerGate to this thread and to every other thing that seems to happen in the social justice social media circle jerk.

And just to drive home the point, I love girls kissing. I wish there was more girls kissing out there. But I don't want girls kissing to be part of your revenge porn. It's hard to enjoy something when some creep is in the corner is trying to masturbate to your imaginary tears.
The issue isn't out and out homophobia, it's this discomfort where they're technically accepting of the LGBT community but don't want to actually see it in public. I'm reminded a bit of the people who say they support the black community's right to protest police brutality, but don't want protests they'll actually see (no kneeling at NFL games, no street marches that disrupt traffic, that sort of thing).

And given that we've had many, many people here froth at the mouth treating the TLoU2 kiss as a stunt or scheme by "eeeeeevil SJWs," I don't think it's unreasonable to say that some people are, in fact, genuinely uncomfortable with seeing LGBT kisses on screen. They didn't just say "whatever," they whined about it repeatedly. Kind of like what you're doing, in fact.

My reaction to the TLoU2 scene? Oh, Ellie's lesbian, alright. It's a bit precious on Naughty Dog's part, but I certainly didn't see a reason to rage or decry it as part of a 'sinister' agenda. Maybe they'd ease up a little if you'd stop throwing temper tantrums like you are now.
 
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Surely the best way to learn from these things is from a game where 60 people jump out of a dropship in squads and kill eachother on a huge map.

Surely....


@dorkimoe you read my thoughts.
Hah, I won't deny that it feels tacked-on to mention LGBT/non-binary statuses in the bios for a battle royale game. But at the same time, the LGBT people I know are happy to see themselves get a little more representation in a genre where characters are frequently jacked-up dudebros.
 
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The issue isn't out and out homophobia, it's this discomfort where they're technically accepting of the LGBT community but don't want to actually see it in public. I'm reminded a bit of the people who say they support the black community's right to protest police brutality, but don't want protests they'll actually see (no kneeling at NFL games, no street marches that disrupt traffic, that sort of thing).
There is no discomfort. Stop trying to project on others. People just don't like blatant virtue signalling for political points. That is all there is to it.

And given that we've had many, many people here froth at the mouth treating the TLoU2 kiss as a stunt or scheme by "eeeeeevil SJWs," I don't think it's unreasonable to say that some people are, in fact, genuinely uncomfortable with seeing LGBT kisses on screen. They didn't just say "whatever," they whined about it repeatedly. Kind of like what you're doing, in fact.
More disingenuous BS, though at this point I am not sure it is possible to be surprised when it comes from you. No one was "frothing at the mouth", just not taking things at face value when the company behind said game had made multiple politically charged claims and comments. The scene was clearly pushing a political message and nothing more. Not to mention how multiple Japanese anime-styled games with similar LGBT kissing scenes were recently banned at the time by Sony. The only person I remember "whining" in those threads was you and other far-left types making up BS arguments like you are doing now.

My reaction to the TLoU2 scene? Oh, Ellie's lesbian, alright. It's a bit precious on Naughty Dog's part, but I certainly didn't see a reason to rage or decry it as part of a 'sinister' agenda. Maybe they'd ease up a little if you'd stop throwing temper tantrums like you are now.
The only temper tantrum being thrown is the one by you, Aurelian.

Hah, I won't deny that it feels tacked-on to mention LGBT/non-binary statuses in the bios for a battle royale game. But at the same time, the LGBT people I know are happy to see themselves get a little more representation in a genre where characters are frequently jacked-up dudebros.
And the LGBT folks *I* know are annoyed that they are being coddled to by companies who don't actually care and are simply doing it for PR purposes. Anecdotal evidence is weak, Aurelian.
 
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There is no discomfort. Stop trying to project on others. People just don't like blatant virtue signalling for political points. That is all there is to it.



More disingenuous BS, though at this point I am not sure it is possible to be surprised when it comes from you. No one was "frothing at the mouth", just not taking things at face value when the company behind said game had made multiple politically charged claims and comments. The scene was clearly pushing a political message and nothing more. Not to mention how multiple Japanese anime-styled games with similar LGBT kissing scenes were recently banned at the time by Sony. The only person I remember "whining" in those threads was you and other far-left types making up BS arguments like you are doing now.



The only temper tantrum being thrown is the one by you, Aurelian.



And the LGBT folks *I* know are annoyed that they are being coddled to by companies who don't actually care and are simply doing it for PR purposes. Anecdotal evidence is weak, Aurelian.
I don't know why you keep using my name as if it's supposed to have some kind of effect. False claims ahead of my name are still false.

The hilarious thing is that you see the TLoU2 kiss' "political message" as some sinister, horrible act, rather than just shrugging your shoulders and moving on. You claim to experience no discomfort, but there's literally nothing but discomfort coming from you.

And did Sony ban those games for LGBT kissing, or for some other reason? Don't pretend Sony is on some homophobic crusade here. I'm not enthusiastic about its censorship, but it has primarily focused on the amount of T&A on screen or the apparent age of the characters, not their sexual orientation.
 
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The issue isn't out and out homophobia, it's this discomfort where they're technically accepting of the LGBT community but don't want to actually see it in public.
The only thing that's discomfortable is the fact the game has to make a mention of the existence of these minorities like its a special thing.

Same question for you: Should LGBTQ/Non-Binary minorities be considered special enough that a game needs to mention it has characters identifying with them?

Hah, I won't deny that it feels tacked-on to mention LGBT/non-binary statuses in the bios for a battle royale game. But at the same time, the LGBT people I know are happy to see themselves get a little more representation in a genre where characters are frequently jacked-up dudebros.
Do you really need a battle royale game, literally a genre where the emphasis is on survival, to get that point across?

Oh wait... i think i am getting Respawn's thought sequence here. Hear me out.
  • Battle royale is about survival of people.
  • Which current social phenomenon also includes people surviving? Minorities.
I am not even joking here, i literally think this was the train of thought.

Tell me, do the LGBT people you know find it more important when they feel accepted IRL by everyone else, that they are seen as people, or do they find it more important that a random battle royale game has characters identifying as a minority?
 
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It's just business, there's nothing wrong. Just how in the 80s they had muscled heroes and semi naked women and in the 90s white kids with large pants and skateboards. You sell your product to an ever changing society. In the end if more people love to be represented in a game and are happy, good. It doesn't ruin anything, quite the opposite. I don't understand why every minority or lgbt character is felt "forced" by someone
The only thing I find quite idiotic is that the only white pg is literally toxic. I mean, is subtle like a pneumatic hammer
 
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AGAIN, you illiterate and/or stupid people try to conflate two things in an attempt to make people's actual positions seem unreasonable and bigoted. Let's try this again, in simple words so that someone like you might understand.

NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT GAY PEOPLE KISSING. ANYBODY PLAYING GAMES UNDER THE AGE OF 40 HAS GROWN UP IN A WORLD OF OVERWHELMING TOLERANCE, AND NOT ONLY DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GAY PEOPLE, THEY ALSO THINK PEOPLE THAT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GAY PEOPLE ARE ASSHOLES.

The problem is people like you THINK we have a problem with gay people, so you try to force it down our throats in some sort of weird revenge fantasy. You're fucking delusional, and the quality, variety, and value of the products being created is suffering enormously because you are too busy tilting at windmills.

They show two girls kissing and people go, "whatever". And then they go, "I'll bet that made your blood boil, you homophobe!" and everyone goes, "What the fuck is wrong with you?" and they go, "See? Your blood is boiling! Obviously, it is because you ARE a homophobe! Here's even more girls kissing! Go back to Hitler, you Nazi!" It happens EVERY TIME, from Ghostbusters 2016 to Jessica Price to The Last Jedi to GamerGate to this thread and to every other thing that seems to happen in the social justice social media circle jerk.

And just to drive home the point, I love girls kissing. I wish there was more girls kissing out there. But I don't want girls kissing to be part of your revenge porn. It's hard to enjoy something when some creep is in the corner is trying to masturbate to your imaginary tears.
LMAO

But all that happened is that a gaming article pointed out one quietly LGBT character by pointing out their biography,

That and a game rep answered a question that included the fact that one character had an ambiguous gender.

There literally are people who can't handle that fact for some reason and have posted silly things about agendas, representation rape or that they won't even buy the game now.
 
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The issue isn't out and out homophobia, it's this discomfort where they're technically accepting of the LGBT community but don't want to actually see it in public. I'm reminded a bit of the people who say they support the black community's right to protest police brutality, but don't want protests they'll actually see (no kneeling at NFL games, no street marches that disrupt traffic, that sort of thing).
Jesus, you are dense. Nobody has a problem with supporting the black community, they have a problem with kneeling at NFL games taking away time and attention from the NFL game for something they think is completely unrelated to NFL games. They didn't watch the game for a third grader's lessons in civic disobedience. There is a time and place for things, and when it isn't the time or the place, it's perfectly acceptable to feel that it is distracting and inappropriate.

I'm against protests that inconvenience others (especially when they are not involved in any way, shape, or form) because it starts edging a little too close to emotional terrorism. Care about what I care about or I will ruin your day! Fix this problem that we want fixed or we will make you late for work until you do! The purpose of protest - and when protests are most effective - is when the strength of your voice is heard and the value of your words are understood, and if that strength is used to abuse others, that value quickly becomes irrelevant. You protest to become the good guy, not the bad guy. If your position is that I'm protesting to be the good guy to some and the bad guy to others, then you've already lost.

And I should point out that "technically accepting of the LGBT community" is still accepting of the LGBT community. Trying to force them to engage in behavior they don't particularly like or want to be a part of is going to quickly turn them "technically unaccepting of the LGBT community" real quick. In your hurry to punish those who don't accept LGBT people unconditionally, you are probably doing more damage to the LGBT community's cause and future than any single group of homophobes ever will.

And given that we've had many, many people here froth at the mouth treating the TLoU2 kiss as a stunt or scheme by "eeeeeevil SJWs," I don't think it's unreasonable to say that some people are, in fact, genuinely uncomfortable with seeing LGBT kisses on screen. They didn't just say "whatever," they whined about it repeatedly. Kind of like what you're doing, in fact.
AGAIN, THE KISS WAS NEVER THE PROBLEM. I'm running out of short words and yet you still are purposely misunderstanding. I feel like I need to pull out some crayons and draw you a picture because you are obviously illiterate. You even admit that they were complaining about it as "a stunt or scheme", not having problems with gay people. They didn't go, "ewww, girls smooching. Yucky." They went, "this stunt or scheme is unappreciated". In short, focus on making a good game and stop involving the rest of us in your weird revenge porn, you sick fucks.
 
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(I don't like you Raz, I think you talk too much, etc,) [you] pretend like you know the intentions of the developers, when you just don’t. There have been gay and LGBT people making your games since the dawn of gaming - and for the first time, throwing in a couple gay characters just because they want to is actually permitted. There is nothing special about the gay characters; they’re just gay. In case you didn’t know, some people are like that.
Well actually if you read my post you would see that I'm not entirely certain as to their intentions. I do believe that they do this for PR reasons, to shine a divine light on themselves- but do they engage in this behavior out of sincere conviction or is it all a cynical stunt? I am not sure.

This isn't about the existence of homosexuals and their role in the gaming industry, actually. Not for me. Sqorin Hammerfarf has outlined the problem fairly succinctly and I would defer to his already posted arguments as to why this situation is irritating to some. The only area wherein we disagree seems to be his certainty that the developers are true believers, wherein I'm a bit more divided as to the sincerity of their broadcasted convictions. I am concluded however on the longevity of their beliefs should they conflict with profit. I refer to Google aiding China as exhibit A as to why progressive beliefs and stated goals like "Don't Be Evil" will be, and are, sacrificed upon the alter of the almighty bottom line. There is no god, creed, or belief mightier than the dollar to a corporation.

That's why when they trot out their beliefs and showcase (or push them on others, censor those they disagree with, etc) and ask me to believe in their sincerity, I laugh and go "lie to me again". I can respect people who disagree with me provided I'm sure of their integrity.

Challenging "assumptions" is not very brave in 2019, and really I never found it super convincing anyway given that the 'assumption' that an individual is heterosexual is the statistically safe choice to make. It will always be the default assumption given the necessarily vast differences between heterosexual and homosexual populations. We, as humans, need assumptions in order to function properly. It's a heuristic, and the alternative is an overly laborious, time consuming, analysis of every decision we choose to make. To wit, our brains evolved to make assumptions in order to expedite decision making for survival reasons.

That said, I don't have a beef with gay characters portrayed in media. In this case though one must ask, as Sqorin Hammerfarf does, 'why?', because the context matters. A Battle Royale game with no plot does not require any of the characters to have a stated sexuality, as they're all faceless killers with modicums of personality in a game that has basically zero story. If anything, I'm annoyed at the use of homosexual people as two dimensional props serving as PR lightning rods. And I'm exasperated by people who constantly fall for it.

So that's why some of us roll our eyes at this stuff.
 
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I mean you can talk about corporations and/or the idea that gay people being gay in games only exists because people are sitting in corners rubbing their crotch at the thought of making you look at gay people being gay in games.

But, all that happened here was that it was picked up in a gaming article that one of the characters bios asserts they are gay/bi and that while answering a question in an interview, a rep for the game mentioned that one particular character gender is non specified.
 
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But, all that happened here was that it was picked up in a gaming article that one of the characters bios asserts they are gay/bi and that while answering a question in an interview, a rep for the game mentioned that one particular character gender is non specified.
You mean the game with only six playable characters, all minorities, a third LGBT, only one actual man (who is gay), with the literally toxic white male being a paid add on? The one in the genre (military fps) seemly played almost exclusively by white men? That one? It doesn’t take an interview for someone to go, this seems oddly specific to a particularly toxic world view which has previously taken down multiple geek institutions like fucking Star Wars. If that wasn’t a wake up call, then you are already dead.

You can’t have it both ways. Either representation is important and Respawn failed spectacularly to provide any representation for their core audience, or representation doesn’t matter, and Respawn went spectacularly out of their way to ensure something of no actual value. Or, the third possibility, that it isn’t about representation at all, and is some sort of minority revenge porn against what they see to be decades or even centuries of oppression by the very audience they apparently serve.

To make matters worse, the 8 released characters are pretty terrible in design and implementation and regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum, they have to do a LOT better if they want the game to survive.
 
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You mean the game with only six playable characters, all minorities, a third LGBT, only one actual man (who is gay), with the literally toxic white male being a paid add on? The one in the genre (military fps) seemly played almost exclusively by white men? That one? It doesn’t take an interview for someone to go, this seems oddly specific to a particularly toxic world view which has previously taken down multiple geek institutions like fucking Star Wars. If that wasn’t a wake up call, then you are already dead.

You can’t have it both ways. Either representation is important and Respawn failed spectacularly to provide any representation for their core audience, or representation doesn’t matter, and Respawn went spectacularly out of their way to ensure something of no actual value. Or, the third possibility, that it isn’t about representation at all, and is some sort of minority revenge porn against what they see to be decades or even centuries of oppression by the very audience they apparently serve.

To make matters worse, the 8 released characters are pretty terrible in design and implementation and regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum, they have to do a LOT better if they want the game to survive.
There are three males, three females and two non gendered characters.

I guess in a colourblind world where gender and sexuality weren’t a big deal, that would be okay.

But now that you've used identity politics to outline it so clearly, they really are taking the piss.

There's a black lady, another black lady, an Indian man who is gay/bi, a white lady, a person you can't even tell the race or gender of, a robot, and two white males.

The agenda is clear. The proof is in the pudding. The gay frogs are already pissing fluoride into the water and it’s clear for all to see.

It’s a clear slap in the face and deliberate attempt to upset people like yourself so they can wank in a corner about how triggered you are about the race, gender and sexuality ratios. The sick fucks!

It’s “representation rape” is what it is!

Imagine going through such lengths just to have a wank????
 
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How is it most found out about this with this thread they came into to whine about something they only know about because of said thread? And before I hear anyone say they already knew about it, how did you find out? Was it because you read the character bio to find out something about the characters or did you read the interview?
 
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You mean the game with only six playable characters, all minorities, a third LGBT, only one actual man (who is gay), with the literally toxic white male being a paid add on? The one in the genre (military fps) seemly played almost exclusively by white men? That one? It doesn’t take an interview for someone to go, this seems oddly specific to a particularly toxic world view which has previously taken down multiple geek institutions like fucking Star Wars. If that wasn’t a wake up call, then you are already dead.
You know, if the first part of what you wrote is true, it could end up being one hell of a brilliant success strategy. If people are naturally drawn to characters they personally relate to, then such a move would help them avoid heat from the smaller gaming population, while subconsciously pushing the larger gaming population to spend money in a F2P game.
 

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I don't know why you keep using my name as if it's supposed to have some kind of effect. False claims ahead of my name are still false.
I use your name because that is what you tend to do in a discussion. I pointed towards you throwing the temper tantrum as that is what you are doing. I did not catch the repetitive nature of which I used it twice within two sentences and that is my B.

The hilarious thing is that you see the TLoU2 kiss' "political message" as some sinister, horrible act, rather than just shrugging your shoulders and moving on. You claim to experience no discomfort, but there's literally nothing but discomfort coming from you.
You are the only one who keeps suggesting it is a "sinister, horrible act". Most people are just saying it was done for political reasons. That isn't inherently a "sinister, horrible act." - just a questionable one.

And did Sony ban those games for LGBT kissing, or for some other reason? Don't pretend Sony is on some homophobic crusade here. I'm not enthusiastic about its censorship, but it has primarily focused on the amount of T&A on screen or the apparent age of the characters, not their sexual orientation.
The apparent age of characters, suggesting that they were underage - yet their first party franchise that openly showed underage girls kissing was promoted and pushed to the forefront. "Rules for thee, not for me" rings true in this regard.
 
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I don't get the issue.
Firms use PR moves all the time. Just because it isn't directed at you, doesn't mean its malicious/bad in any way. o_O
The LGBT community wished for representation and they got it. good for them.

im more interessted in the skills of a char than their sexuality or skincolor. i don't identify with my char. Its a tool to play a game.

what i get even less are comments about the only white male beeing behind a paywall. Is the issue that he is gated? if this is such a problem for someone? If this pisses you off, than you should understand even more why minoritys want representation. but i guess this bit of empathy is to hard for some.

"They want to force white men to play as black women. It is basically representation rape"
are you kiddin me? o_O
who cares.
 
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This (and the many other times it has been said here) reminds me of a great Smash Bros. racism thread at a certain lovely place, where people kept wondering where the black characters are... there were a few saying, "Game & Watch is black."

Oh, the laughs; oh, the bans.
The robot isn’t the non-binary character. Bloodhound is. The robot is the whitest male in the game, despite not being white or male.
 
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I don't get the issue.
Firms use PR moves all the time. Just because it isn't directed at you, doesn't mean its malicious/bad in any way. o_O
The LGBT community wished for representation and they got it. good for them.

im more interessted in the skills of a char than their sexuality or skincolor. i don't identify with my char. Its a tool to play a game.

what i get even less are comments about the only white male beeing behind a paywall. Is the issue that he is gated? if this is such a problem for someone? If this pisses you off, than you should understand even more why minoritys want representation. but i guess this bit of empathy is to hard for some.

"They want to force white men to play as black women. It is basically representation rape"
are you kiddin me? o_O
who cares.
The funny thing to me: when you think about it, the initial Apex Legends roster is actually more representative of humanity than most games.
 
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The funny thing to me: when you think about it, the initial Apex Legends roster is actually more representative of humanity than most games.
You wouldn´t know unless you got their genetic profile. Talking about social constructs lol :messenger_tears_of_joy: see how you activists love to use this concept so dishonestly when it comes to gender but choose to drop it when it comes to races, really, nobody should take you seriously.
 
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There are more black and brown people on the planet than there are white people, that's all.
First, what are you defining as "brown people"? Depending on what you consider brown people, that statement might technically be true, but only because Indians are such a large majority. They don't even need black people to outnumber white people. They do it easily already. But something tells me you weren't thinking about India when you said this.

Just for fun, let's see what proportionate representation would look like. White people make up about 16% of the world's population, while black people make up 15%. South Asian (basically India and surrounding areas) makes up 21% and East Asia (China, Japan, Korea) make up 24%. There's only about 3 million Polynesians worldwide.

Assuming 8 characters, proportionate representation would look like this:
2 Asians
2 Indians
1 White
1 Black
1 Hispanic
1 Middle Eastern
0 Polynesian

Pathfinder is a robot, and Bloodhound's race is unknown and thus irrelevant. If you wanted to aim for a proportionate representation where every combination of race, gender, and sexual orientation has at least one character in the game, you'd need about 2000 playable characters - possibly much, much more.

Now, it would be absurd to aim for proportionate representation of worldwide numbers because the game is not equally sold to ever member of humanity. If you limit it to just the countries the game is available in, the demographics change considerably. And if you limit it even further to just the potential audience for a military battle royale first person shooter, well, the demographics will be very, very different (it's going to be all male, and majority white, basically). That's why representation is a fool's errand. Context of the representation will affect the make up of that representation, certainly leading to less diversity.
 
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'representation rape' is definitely one of the funniest thing I've ever read on this forum. Holy lol.
Ironically exaggerated for effect but it's a real belief. They see years of being forced to play a non-representative character against their will as a sin (and anything against their will is basically rape). Of course, nobody else thinks it is a sin, much less rape, because they skipped intersectionality day at the local community college. But they do. Just read any article on representation in gaming and you'll see it.