So this is without digital? In that case, quite likealy PS3/360 software sales went up overall.
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UK Sales - Wii U game sales just 25k in February, Vita just 35k, Nintendo down by 49%
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So this is without digital? In that case, quite likealy PS3/360 software sales went up overall.
Char-track gets data from online retailers: http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/retail/index.jsp
(That page is obviously only listing the biggest retailers.)
Phoenician_Viking
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The Vita only decreased 15k in 2 month? That´s less than i thought. The decrease for the 3DS is huge. Between the UK and US the 3DS decreased a lot YOY.
The WiiU is lol.
If the Vita is dead and it´s outselling the WiiU, what does that make the WiiU?
The WiiU is lol.
If the Vita is dead and it´s outselling the WiiU, what does that make the WiiU?
babyghost853
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Fixed, not the same.
michaelius
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Stillborn
Various Artists
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By this time in the N64 for gen I think I already had 6 games! Sure there are some games out there but nothing interesting or exclusive besides 1 or 3.
I probably had the same count for GCN as well.
Its really tragic. Pikmin 3 and W101 cant come soon enough but they are being wishy washy on dates for those as well.
I probably had the same count for GCN as well.
Its really tragic. Pikmin 3 and W101 cant come soon enough but they are being wishy washy on dates for those as well.
Majmun
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Didn't Mario Kart Wii sell almost the same as NSMB Wii?
I don't expect Mario Kart U to do much, to be honest. Just like NSMB U isn't doing much currently.
Wii's userbase helped those titles. The Wii U is seriously lacking on this regard. I really don't know what Nintendo can do to elevate the Wii U above Gamecube success.
I don't expect Mario Kart U to do much, to be honest. Just like NSMB U isn't doing much currently.
Wii's userbase helped those titles. The Wii U is seriously lacking on this regard. I really don't know what Nintendo can do to elevate the Wii U above Gamecube success.
pieatorium
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Please excuse the derail, but I'm really interested in actual numbers now
Doing a quick search I found this one, but it's from the gtai, read: probably biased.
Do you have a reliable report?
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/uk-consumers-spent-2-9bn-on-games-in-2012/0112028
Heres UK for 2012 at 2.9b pounds (4.38b US dollars)
The figure from the pdf you linked has germany at 1.8b euros (2.3b US dollar) for 2010 which is way lower than what the german actual market is. I cant seem to find a link but i recall it being around 4b US as well.
Opus Angelorum
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Dead last.
hgarrett54
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Are you ReviewTechUSA?
Please excuse the derail, but I'm really interested in actual numbers now
Doing a quick search I found this one, but it's from the gtai, read: probably biased.
Do you have a reliable report?
Here's some old data (from 2008), painstakingly compiled by Captain Smoker. Obviously things have changed since then, but its a starting point. I think back then the exchange rate made UK imports really cheap in the euro-zone, so that inflated the UK numbers some.
Man-is-Obsolete
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I really wish we got some figures on the health of each platform's digital downloads. In the case of the Vita most of it's releases and especially sales have come from PSN recently. Personally I haven't bought a retail Vita game since November, but I have bought more than 10 games digitally for the Vita since then not including the free games through Plus.
Majmun
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But he's ONLY ignoring the other 50 countries in Europe, or so.
radioheadrule83
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I should have better worded my statement. The 'winner' has always been the most affordable or the one perceived to offer the most affordable 'value'. PS2 clowned the Dreamcast and Gamecube despite being a bit more expensive, mostly because of the insane hype -- but also because it had a good library and strong backwards compatibility with the previous generations' leading console. It also doubled as a DVD player -- which was an attractive novelty at the time. When I bought my launch PS2, some equally capable DVD players cost almost as much. It made no sense to buy a rival's new DVD player when you could get it built into the PS2. I don't consider the PS2 an anomaly -- people will buy affordable fun. I strongly believe that.
Dave Meltzer
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The name is dumb but if the concept was exciting people would understand the difference. The thing is to most people a controller with a screen on it is seen as less impressive than a Wiimote with average motion controls.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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They had a b-level Mario game on launch that, from screenshots, looks barely better than the Wii/3DS versions. If they had the 'next-evolution' of Mario it might've been a different story (at least for the core-gamer)
Great analysis. It's a pretty interesting idea about publisher pushing the console generation shift in order to make the Wii U more appealing cost-wise.
Other reasons for why the Wii U haven't taken off like the original Wii:
1. The Wii U isn't bundled with a strong product such as Wii Sports. Nintendo Land seems solid, but is only bundled with the black Premium Edition.
2. Wii users might have become more informed on specs. The Wii was really just a sewing machine with a disc drive. Perhaps now they want better hardware along with the PS4/Xbox720 users.
3. The GamePad with a screen is cool. But it's just not as tangible an idea as motion controls. It was easier to see the point of having to swing the nunchuk than why you should use two screens. I don't understand why Nintendo is so hellbent on this off-TV feature of the GamePad. It solves the problem when somebody wants to watch TV instead of watching you play, but why not make the game appealing for people to join? The GamePad lets you have a portable console, but without any range. In my opinion it's a halfbaked idea solution.
Miles Quaritch
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At long last we have figures. Hopefully this will finally shut up the "UK market is dead/dying" crowd.
opportunity costs are all the rage these days.
Father_Brain
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Still not as "dead" as Vita, given that the first-party software coming later this year will result in a recovery to some extent. But still pretty fucked for a while, and probably only slightly unfucked for the remainder of the generation.
In Vita's case, there's nothing coming or that could even conceivably be announced at this point that would move significant quantities of hardware outside Japan, given the failure of every major 2012 release for the platform to do so.
Davey Cakes
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The Wii U has zero momentum. I wouldn't say the system is finished, but it needs to hit a point where it's getting games consistently and is picking up bigger and bigger releases. Since launch there haven't been many compelling games to get more people on board. Perhaps the likes of Lego City, Monster Hunter, and Need for Speed will start up some momentum that the system can actually work off of. If Nintendo can build up the system over the next several months and then somehow peak during the holiday season, they'll have effectively recovered the console. I honestly don't think it will be anything more than a mild success, though.
It's sad that with the Wii U, there was the buzz of the launch and then nearly NOTHING for months. Nintendo needs to get the ball rolling again.
It's sad that with the Wii U, there was the buzz of the launch and then nearly NOTHING for months. Nintendo needs to get the ball rolling again.
thanks again, that's great "assembly" work looking at the source material.
Seems there is no "combined and normalized" report publicly available then. My takeaway would be that historically UK is/was the biggest market, but took a dive in terms of consoles and PC in recent years. Nintendo might target mainland Europe more as of today (anecdotal evidence from TV commercials coverage in German/French Kid's programming and availability in retail), but UK is still a market that should usually be considered relevant.
Nintendo just doesn't seem to push it for whatever reason.
I imagine they'll end up somewhere between Nintendo 64 and Wii success. Probably closer to Nintendo 64. I'll gladly eat crow.
In 2008
Father_Brain
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Given the dearth of third-party support and Nintendo's ineptitude at getting first-party games out the door, I'd say N64's LTD is increasingly looking like a best-case scenario.
pieatorium
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In 2008
What he means is that PC is much bigger in Germany so taking it out gives that kind of breakdown for just the consoles/handhelds which is probably still the way it looks in 2012/2013.
Interesting, I don't even remember a total of 6 games being available 4 months after the N64 release. Are/were you living in Japan?
Yes, I know, didn't want to come off as reprimanding, just bolded it to stress the fact that we just don't know what the situation is right now and anything 2012/13 is just what it is: assumptions.
Abysmal sales for Wii U
However there are few options to what Nintendo can actually do now, you cannot conjure games out of thin air, any moves they make now after seeing sales across all 3 major markets will first be able to be realized in a few years.
Work hard on the games and cross their fingers that something catches fire Wii Sports style, only other card is a price cut
However there are few options to what Nintendo can actually do now, you cannot conjure games out of thin air, any moves they make now after seeing sales across all 3 major markets will first be able to be realized in a few years.
Work hard on the games and cross their fingers that something catches fire Wii Sports style, only other card is a price cut
GhostOfLawlight
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At least, Vita games sell well digitally.
I must say, this week will be the most fun I've had with a dead platform since I bought Lumines and MvC3 on Vita. Difference between both platforms however, is that one backing company actually plans substantial support with quality 1st party titles.
I still say its premature to relegate the status of the Wii U to Oblivion for the rest of its active time on the market considering, well, the big hitters haven't even landed yet.
January 2014 NPD. That should give a near concrete idea of what this thing will play out like for the rest of the gen.
I still say its premature to relegate the status of the Wii U to Oblivion for the rest of its active time on the market considering, well, the big hitters haven't even landed yet.
January 2014 NPD. That should give a near concrete idea of what this thing will play out like for the rest of the gen.
metalslimer
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Ah yes the digital myth. Im sure Wiiu is doing gangbusters digitally as well
There is absolutely no way to support this theory as Sony doesn't give out any kind of numbers these days.
Majmun
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To be honest, they quite earned all of this.
I mean.. THE FUCK were they thinking? No worth buying games since launch, mediocre third party support,
mediocre first party support, delayed games, games not even coming, exclusives lost and half assed-unappealing or next to zero marketing. Well, congrats.
I love Nintendo but right now I can help myself but laugh my ass off at their "we learned the lesson" statement.
Everything that could go wrong, went wrong.
joffocakes
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I just bought a Wii U today so the next set of UK results will be a little better.
Mato
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Nintendo has certainly failed to foresee the rapid change in the gaming industry and prepare for it. The non-gamers that made Wii and it's gimmicks a success are gone. If Nintendo wants to be relevant again they have to go up against the likes of Blizzard and do it well. Linear, static and gimmicky experiences are the fading as a serious revenue source, Nintendo has better accept that.
metalslimer
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Pretty much. As big of disaster as the Vita launch was, the importance of Wiiu to Nintendo makes this launch one of the biggest disasters of all time. In Europe the console may as well not exist. Someone's head will roll for how big of a worldwide disaster this is. And to make things even worse they stupidly engineered it so they will hurt a lot more in dropping the price
AranhaHunter
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Here's NSMB on the Wii:
and here's NSMB on the Wii U:
Most gamers, who are interested in this game, know the difference between the two, but outside of the slightly better graphics in NSMBU, what difference do you see? I know the small sized screenshot does the Wii U game a disservice, but this is what your average casual gamer sees when they view the screenshot on IGN or whatever.
Put yourself in the shoes of the average Wii buyer, is NSMBU really worth upgrading to a $300+(or in this case, £250+) console for?
The pics are too small where HD won't make that much of a difference, but by your rationale then we shouldn't expect Mario Kart or 3D Mario games are not going to be enough to convince people to upgrade as they will not look that much better either.
What kind of recovery are you expecting? I think this "wait for" that is being used by Nintendo fans is ironic, to say the least. I'm not saying those 1st party games can't give the WiiU a boost, I actually expect it since they gave even the GC and N64 boosts, but the WiiU problems go beyond that IMO. We'll see if G&W and DQX really boost the WiiU in Japan as some people are hoping they will.
Until there are some concrete numbers released, it's pointless to even mention. People will gleefully scoff at the suggestion in the absence of any decent data.
So far there is only anecdotal comments from devs and retailers and the PSN charts to go on. Signs do point to the Vita shifting a proportionally high chunk of digital sales but without being able to conclusively prove it, it's irrelevant.
I personally refuse to say anything on the matter until the Wii U gets more than one fucking retail game out in three months.
metalslimer
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With he compete lack of 3rd parties, most of Wiiu lifespan will be in perpetual drought after drought and Nintendo cant make HD games as fast. Even if they do recover this holiday, there will be another drought next year.
Sohter.Nura
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Oh man. Iwata must be having a real hard time sleeping at night.
I feel bad, I'm a huge Nintendo fanboy but I honestly haven't used the console for anything else except for Netflix and amazon.com for the past 3 months.
I actually think that even NSMBU was kinda lackluster, specially considering that I had already aced NSMB DS and NSMB Wii.
I feel bad, I'm a huge Nintendo fanboy but I honestly haven't used the console for anything else except for Netflix and amazon.com for the past 3 months.
I actually think that even NSMBU was kinda lackluster, specially considering that I had already aced NSMB DS and NSMB Wii.
My takeaways are that Xbox and PS business in UK has stayed about the same, but the total number of dollars spent on gaming has gone down. You could say that sales declined, but only for Nintendo, but the flipside is that neither company added to their sales from that market. Also that the year to year comparison is not 100% useful for Nintendo because it's apples to oranges in the context of their hardware transitions. And we don't need the year to year comparison for Nintendo because the current year data already tells us that the launch sucks.
He's not. He's busy working. Wii U will be fine this generation. The launch sucks. Just revise your analysis this time next year.
He's not. He's busy working. Wii U will be fine this generation. The launch sucks. Just revise your analysis this time next year.
I already mentioned that in my post, that's exactly how the average casual gamer is going to see the screenshot when they click on it on IGN.
I'm willing to bet that you will be able to tell the difference, graphically, between a 3D Mario or Mario Kart on the Wii U and their Wii counterparts. The nature of NSMBU and it's graphics/art style does not lend favourably to that comparison. That's why relying on NSMBU to be a big system seller was an idiotic move on Nintendo's part.
Man-is-Obsolete
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Pretty much, I just know I have bought more than 10 games for the Vita this year and not one them was retail, so on all these sales trackers I and many others don't count. Which is why I think these types of things are silly. Just like we can't use digital sales as any evidence to the health of a platform, nor should physical sales be the end all discussion on the health of games sales because it excludes digital sales.