michaelius
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Actual, good (relative to its current performance) sales figures would convince me.
Ahh so i guess current Wii U figures are hope inspiring?
Actual, good (relative to its current performance) sales figures would convince me.
GT & GoW are multi-million sellers on handhelds and are (hopefully) no-brainers for the Vita. If Sony panicked like Nintendo, they might have announced them by now, even if they're a way off. I don't think it'd make any real difference to the overarching narrative though.
What a compelling, fact-based rebuttal. I stand corrected; you have truly convinced me that Vita is well on the way to overcoming its rough start and will surely soon become a genuine mass-market competitor in the handheld market.
If vita or the wiiu had the same level of 3rd party support befoe the ps even launched i would be more optimistic.
You know what you're right. You may think the figures are interesting and i apologize for coming off as condesceding. You are wrong about one thin. I dont hate vita at all. I think its a much better desinged system than the 3ds and hoped it would do well as a region free system. Unlike some people I try to separate my personal preference from sales opinion
So we are off into the "Wii U is dead/alive and well/we just don't know/I hereby predict x Mio sales" space and have chosen this thread as our plat du jour?
The points were sales of Wii U and Vita in the UK based on some unspecified (?) data with focus on Nintendo declines YOY.
Questions that could be raised/discussed: Is UK representative of a trend or of the actual sales for whole PAL-land? How relevant is UK data? Has the UK lost their "taste" for everything Nintendo or does Nintendo not cater to the UK on purpose?
No?
There is absolutely no way to support this theory as Sony doesn't give out any kind of numbers these days.
I'm not convinced the Wii U is doomed just yet... maybe when sales stay the same or below the rest of they year
This seems to be grasping at some pretty thin straws. To be blunt, the more data that comes in from around the world, the further into a ditch the WiiU sinks. Ymmv, but people are getting confident that the time to "call it" is either very soon or just a few months away.
- Yes UK trends often filter through the rest of Europe over the years. An exception is France.
- The UK is either the biggest videogame market or is now sharing that honour with Germany in the market, so yes, big deal.
- If it was revealed Iwata was "purposely letting the Nintendo market in Europe die" he would be forced out by his shareholders in a bloody coup of "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING, IMBECILE?!?!" screams.
And are we expecting mario kart to propel the system through the next drought? How big of a chane is mkwiiu goin to be from previous entries when it is probably being rushed to make this year?
Edit: I'm pretty pessimistic about wiiu but its perfectly reasonable to say its in a better position than vita based on time on the market and the level of importance to nintendos business
The Wii U has zero momentum. I wouldn't say the system is finished, but it needs to hit a point where it's getting games consistently and is picking up bigger and bigger releases. Since launch there haven't been many compelling games to get more people on board. Perhaps the likes of Lego City, Monster Hunter, and Need for Speed will start up some momentum that the system can actually work off of. If Nintendo can build up the system over the next several months and then somehow peak during the holiday season, they'll have effectively recovered the console. I honestly don't think it will be anything more than a mild success, though.
It's sad that with the Wii U, there was the buzz of the launch and then nearly NOTHING for months. Nintendo needs to get the ball rolling again.
Ahh so i guess current Wii U figures are hope inspiring?
What facts? You have already made up your mind and nothing would change it. First you said the Vita was dead, and now it´s only dead outside of Japan. You also said that COD and AC3:L are not system sellers. The games sold systems, and you are still saying that. You already have your mind set up regardless, so why should i bother?
All ten of them.MS is also going to learn the hard way that the customers they got with kinect wont be coming back a 2nd time
The next few months are going to be critical. Nintendo has to release games that appeal to their core audience in a hurry, because it's already clear they're not going to attract core gamers. That segment will have their eyes set on the PS4 and 720 and are going to be bombarded with information, new game franchises and betrayalthons for the rest of this year until November.
From November onward they'll be in direct competition with Sony's and Microsoft's new consoles. Sony will probably be the more attractive option for core gamers, but Microsoft with Kinect 2.0 will be trying to compete directly for the casual gamers Nintendo wants to lure over. It's going to be a tough battle for Nintendo, even when they have a number of major titles ready for the holidays. Both MS and Sony are going to launch consoles that will have a portfolio of launch games that can easily compete with Nintendo's because Nintendo will have lost almost all of its third party support by then.
GT & GoW are multi-million sellers on handhelds and are (hopefully) no-brainers for the Vita. If Sony panicked like Nintendo, they might have announced them by now, even if they're a way off. I don't think it'd make any real difference to the overarching narrative though.
Still, people used to say the same about the PS3 and that ended up bouncing back. Nothing is certain at this stage in the game.
Not that recently, hence my qualifier. The handheld market has changed a lot in the past few years, and that GoS only sold around 37% of what CoO sold in 2008 backs that up.
I'll believe that there's still a sizable market for console-style handheld games aimed at that demographic when the sales figures prove it. As is, none of the titles in that category released last year (RE:R, U:GA, R:BS, COD, ACIII:L) support that conclusion.
MS is also going to learn the hard way that the customers they got with kinect wont be coming back a 2nd time
Please stop thinking Gaf is a realistic sample of the market.
I have young kids and between the endless sports I have them in I speak to a lot of parents who LOVE playing Kinect games with them and how easy it is for them to play on-line against other people (something sorely missing in the Wii).
I have no doubt that MS's "entertainment box" will be far more appealing that the PS4 to a whole lot of people. The question is if MS can uncover a gimmick to make the Durango a must have item
So Vita does have system sellers and could potentially have more?
But Vita presumably sold more units than would have been the case had those games not existed, so I suppose they could be called system-sellers in the strictly literal sense.
MS is also going to learn the hard way that the customers they got with kinect wont be coming back a 2nd time
So Vita does have system sellers and could potentially have more?
I actually believe Nintendo's best bet with the Wii U are the same gamers that will be dead set on the PS4 and 720. The hardware/software lacks an intrinsic quality that speaks to the casual gamer the way Wii did, but even that system became the "other console" many many core gamers owned thanks to core franchises that are compelling to them (Zelda/Smash/3D Mario/MK). These same franchises will most likely show up here as well, not to mention any other core aimed software made through collaborations and lesser known studios (X and Bayonetta spring to mind).
It'll be interesting to see if there are any software gaps for PS4/720 where owners look to a more established Wii U library for filler gaming
A 2D Mario isn't a "big hitter"?
It's one of Nintendo main guns.
Oh believe me I dont think gaf or the ps4 have anything to do with it. People are sorely undeestimating the effect smartphones and tablets have had on that market.
Oh believe me I dont think gaf or the ps4 have anything to do with it. People are sorely undeestimating the effect smartphones and tablets have had on that market. Kinect sales fell off a cliff last year and the software lineup was worse than the wii. Unless MS has a gaechanger to show off Kinect 2 interest in it wont be that high especially coupled with a 400 dollar system. Apple has already beat MS in the living room race
Ive said before i think there is a difference between a killer app and systme seller so yes vita does have system sellers it just has no killer apps
I just don't see it happening. Where are all those core gamers who are going to buy a Wii U in 2013/14 going to come from? Current PS3/360/PC gamers? It's not going to happen when they can choose between either a small visual upgrade compared to the consoles they've been playing for the last 7 or 8 years, or a huge visual upgrade. I think PS360 owners would rather enjoy a real next gen boost for their dollars than the experience of playing classic Nintendo franchises either in 720p or on a tablet controller. No core gamer with a PS3/360 is going to buy a Wii U with a current gen Watch Dogs in 720p if they could get the real next gen version for the PS4 and 720.
Nintendo could buy up more titles from Japanese devs like they did with Bayonetta, but I doubt it's going to make much of a difference when western gamers in general have lost most of their interest in typical Japanese games. Just compare the success of Monster Hunter/Dragon's Dogma with Skyrim. Besides that, the games library of the PS4/720 will expand much faster since it's clear third parties have been gearing up for a new console generation for a while now. They'll hit the ground running, since development is streamlined and the new consoles are so like PCs. Core gamers are going to be swamped this Christmas and there's not much Nintendo can do to fight that tide.
All Nintendo can do is to release games like Zelda, Smash Bros, Metroid, etc to keep their core audience happy. That's the easy part. The difficult part is trying to recapture the attention of the casual gamers who bought a Wii during the Wii Sports/Wii Fit craze. That's going to be enormously difficult.
Who's buying a Wii U for Watchdogs man? I'm betting that when Nintendo has its stable of core franchises available, they'll see an increase in sales among core gamers. The same ones who may own a 360/PS3 or the successors to those. Long term, I think its Nintendo's only real shot at surpassing the cube in LTD sales, otherwise it'll only be a mix of Nintendo faithful and some casual I feel. Could very well play your way, but I'm a little more positive that the 3D styled franchises with great visuals in HD will be enough to push a few systems to core gamers.
Indeed. But that's going be the Gamecube all over.
Smash Bros.
Not only will it be awesome, but it'll also move some units.
Until there are some concrete numbers released, it's pointless to even mention. People will gleefully scoff at the suggestion in the absence of any decent data.
So far there is only anecdotal comments from devs and retailers and the PSN charts to go on. Signs do point to the Vita shifting a proportionally high chunk of digital sales but without being able to conclusively prove it, it's irrelevant.
Will it? At what point does the novelty wear off there, especially when theres not going to be an added shocker like Snake or Sonic in there brand new to get the "HOLY FUCK ITS MARIO PUNCHING SONIC" effect. Sure its going to sell to the Nintendo hardcore but... well as the WiiU is proving, thats not exactly an ever expanding market.
Mario Kart strikes me as the only genuine ace in the hole, and even then theyve been dragging that horse out a little too much for its ritual beatings unless they actually open it up to Nintendo Kart like they should for a slightly fresh take.
The Gamecube entry sold almost 8 millions WW. On a 21 million userbase.
It's better to have the option of horsepower than not. There are already multiplats on Wii U, you might as well just make them more attractive, especially for people who are on the fence about it.Edit: I don't agree about horsepower and third parties. It would take a fuckton more than what Nintendo would be willing to put in, to make folks already comfortable in the other ecosystems, switch to Nintendo for multiplatform games. No, that was always a dead end for them.
I don't believe it does make any sense to "call it" before holiday 2013 tbh.Ymmv, but people are getting confident that the time to "call it" is either very soon or just a few months away.
Nope, I believe those times where UK acted as "trend setter for everybody except those silly frog eaters" are in the past. Gaming behavior and game type/franchise preference are very different imho, at least that is what I read/interpret from my occasional glance at the charts (besides the global top sellers in their top charting weeks).- Yes UK trends often filter through the rest of Europe over the years. An exception is France.
Who cares about the top spot?- The UK is either the biggest European videogame market or is now sharing that honour with Germany in the market, so yes, big deal.
Who said it would be left to die? It's about a shift in significance to Nintendo in terms of where they see their performing markets, because of the segments they cater to. Meaning: less TV time, media spending, retail promotions, etc. if they think those investment could be used more effectively elsewhere.- If it was revealed Iwata was "purposely letting the Nintendo market in Europe/UK die" he would be forced out by his shareholders in a bloody coup of "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING, IMBECILE?!?!" screams.
Who cares about the top spot?
With the UK being not representative of mainland Europe in term of "gaming behavior/preferences" (as an assumption), Germany, France, Spain at al combined let it look less significant in the total percentages/revenue, but of course not insignificant, which leads to...
Who said it would be left to die? It's about a shift in significance to Nintendo in terms of where they see their performing markets, because of the segments they cater to. Meaning: less TV time, media spending, retail promotions, etc. if they think those investment could be used more effectively elsewhere.
Wii U is presumably flat lined in the UK. Maybe it makes sense to put the resources for life support where it has at least a (dangerously low?) pulse, hoping for comeback in the holiday season with a (hopefully) decent library of games to offer.
Wait... What?
£25k in game sales for a month. At an average of £40 a title that's just 625 sales in total for the month for the whole of the country?
Oh my..
It's moot. We have indication of some other European countries Wii U % share (several actually considerably lower than the UK; Germany roughly the same; France better) and an estimate of the launch sales in Europe.Surely some trends tend to be seen in other countries, but not so much, otherwise 360 would have been the best selling console in all the other European countries, while it's third behind 3DS and PS3, Inazuma Eleven / majority of anime games wouldn't sell at all, Kingdom Hearts shouldn't sell anything nowhere (no episode broke the 100k barrier in UK, while the first two chapter were at around 700-800k; let's not even talk about US) and so on.
They had Mario game on launch, why does it bomb so hard?
Will it? At what point does the novelty wear off there, especially when theres not going to be an added shocker like Snake or Sonic in there brand new to get the "HOLY FUCK ITS MARIO PUNCHING SONIC" effect. Sure its going to sell to the Nintendo hardcore but... well as the WiiU is proving, thats not exactly an ever expanding market.
Mario Kart strikes me as the only genuine ace in the hole, and even then theyve been dragging that horse out a little too much for its ritual beatings unless they actually open it up to Nintendo Kart like they should for a slightly fresh take.