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Ukraine/Russia conflict NEWS thread - Updates on the Ukrainian crisis.

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filopilo

Member
I really think US went for a power play in Ukraine with their regime change antics.

That's a fact.

There is this 2 part article on that very subject. (not for the basic citizen with high sensitivity to cognitive dissonance ,obviously)

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/22758-meet-the-americans-who-put-together-the-coup-in-kiev

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/22940-focus-part-ii-meet-the-americans-who-put-together-the-coup-in-kiev

And this one too.
http://www.ukrainiandiaspora.ca/opinion/when-you-slow-dance-with-the-devil-you-can-t-see-his-face.html
 

Kinan

Member
lol @ FBI/Akademi/Blackwater claims... Just look how inefficient and amateurish our military efforts are. 300+ professionals would not only made a huge difference but also would not be unnoticed. RT would be full of videos already instead of "claims from trusted sources". Not to mention the fact that we do not have money, throwing our own 19 yo boys into this crap is much cheaper. :(

But yea, believe in your Russian propaganda further. After all, what choice do you have? Unlike Germans, I do not think that Russians are capable of remorse.. :(

Got a visit of my close friend this week, he told me about our common colleagues/acquaintance from Kiev that took active part in Maidan events. You know, hearing the stories of real people you know makes you immune to whatever tv is trying to tell you. Blatant Russian lies just causing sad laugh, and attempts of Ukrainian tv to smooth things out and remove sharp edges from the story are just reinforcing healthy scepticism everyone in Ukraine should have by now.

Anyway, since its a news thread, I suggest you to laugh from another classic Russian TV reporting: http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/258485

Main Russian state channel reporting about huge tourist boom in Crimea during the May. Now our lost Crimean brothers will also learn the meaning of cognitive dissonance. :) :(
World gotta need new smiley for this
 

antonz

Member
Im going to address the FBi,Mercenary etc stuff because frankly tired of hearing about it.

1. FBI.

The FBI may very well be in Ukraine. In fact I suspect they are after the Odessa violence. The Ukrainian Government specifically mentioned they would bring in Foreign Law Enforcement help to assist in the investigation. Regardless of your viewpoints of the USA the FBI is very good at its job in the field of forensics etc.If the fact the FBI would assist when asked bothers you there isn't much that can probably calm you as you would probably prefer the KGB or something be the one asked to help. The FBI is a police force they are not some secret army or anything.

2. Blackwater,Academi or whoever.

There has been zero evidence of any professional mercenaries from America or its allies. None of the military operations have been performed by well trained soldiers who have lots of experience at warfare. That much is pretty damned obvious. We see footage of every fight yet never any evil blackwater etc seen.

If there were 300 well armed and well trained US mercenaries in Ukraine this whole thing in the east would be over already instead of the amateurish operations by a Ukrainian army that has very little real army experience. If there is some contingent of professional mercenaries in Ukraine they must be doing nothing more than troop training because they sure aren't fighting.

Here is the kicker though. Who cares if there are mercenaries? Is it not the right of the Ukrainian Government to hire them if they want too?
There are 100% verified mercenaries in Ukraine though. We see them in the news everyday. They are Russian Mercenaries from Chechnya,Crimea, and other areas the Russians call home. They proudly wave their passports and identify where they come from. They continue to flood over the Border with more and more heavy weapons that no normal man has access too.

Journalists are reporting just today that they are now spotting these mercenaries at checkpoints armed with grenade launchers now. Why would it be wrong for Ukraine to use hired soldiers when they are under attack by hired soldiers?
 
Any chance we can keep this thread about the news guys? Your opinions are nice and everything, but this is not the place for them.

Having to trawl through heavily biased opinions to find a shred of news is not fun reading.
 

Kabouter

Member
Any chance we can keep this thread about the news guys? Your opinions are nice and everything, but this is not the place for them.

Having to trawl through heavily biased opinions to find a shred of news is not fun reading.

Exactly this. I'd rather not go on another banning spree.
 

Ruuppa

Member
The original source for the CIA and FBI in Ukraine came from Bild am Sonntag here. We already know that John Brennan, director of CIA was there.

All the other news articles I found via Google state Bild as their source for the FBI/CIA/Mercenaries -story, and Bild, according to Wikipedia:

It is argued Bild's thirst for sensationalism results in the terrorizing of prominent celebrities and stories are frequently based on the most dubious evidence. The journalistic standards of Bild, or the lack thereof, are the subject of frequent criticism by German intellectuals and media observers.

Add to this the fact that they're using unnamed sources, and you should take that story with a handful of salt.
 
All the other news articles I found via Google state Bild as their source for the FBI/CIA/Mercenaries -story, and Bild, according to Wikipedia:

Add to this the fact that they're using unnamed sources, and you should take that story with a handfull of salt.
I felt obligated to post a link and that was the original source. Like I said above, I'm personally still waiting for verified sources. I'd love for the State Department to come out and say this, but we're probably a few weeks away from that. It's at least worth discussing and I don't personally doubt it myself.

Anywho, there were several reports of Joe Biden visiting Kiev a couple weeks ago.

His son, Hunter Biden, is now on the board of a Ukrainian gas company, which I find very interesting...
 

Ruuppa

Member
Are there pictures of these mercs? If there is 400 of them we should have thousands of pictures by now. They aren't exactly going to blend in.

It's still citing the same Bild article, so everything is "unnamed sources", so no, no pictures for you.
 
And here was the report from Spiegel regarding 400 Academi Mercs on the ground.
It cites the Bild article too!
400 U.S. mercenaries to fight in eastern Ukraine against the separatists. The reported "Bild am Sonntag" and refers to intelligence information. The fighters come therefore from military service Academi, formerly known as Blackwater.
[...]
"Maybe there is something to it..." Who instructed the mercenaries is still unclear [as is their identity].
Are there pictures of these mercs? If there is 400 of them we should have thousands of pictures by now. They aren't exactly going to blend in.
Yeah but its a mix-mash of uniforms and equipment [not the 400 in question].
[...]
There were MREs (Meals Ready to Eat) – a staple of US forces on combat missions, in the brown packets familiar to many of us from Iraq and Afghanistan, clearly marked Made in USA, issued by the Department of Defense.

Also there, lying amid blood stains, body parts and a body yet to be taken away, were Nato 5.56mm cartridges as used in the US military’s M16 rifles. “I am not saying the foreigners did the killings”, but they were here, insisted Mr Velovich, a 45-year-old farmer.

There are plausible explanations for the two items. Washington has announced that it is sending “non-lethal” aid to Ukrainian troops, and the “jambalaya with chicken and shrimps” may qualify in that category, although some who have tasted it may disagree.

The M16 is not standard issue for the country’s army, but the force which had assembled in this village included units of recently raised National Guard, and the assault rifles could have been obtained through a third party by the Kiev administration.

The “dark-skinned” fighters may be from former Soviet Republics in central Asia, bringing their bloody feud with the Kremlin to eastern Europe; but, against that, there has been no verifiable account of their presence in this conflict.

When it comes to British soldiers, there is absolutely no evidence that they are here. But it is a tale conveniently fitting in with all the others about “hidden forces” and “mercenaries” that both the separatists and the government are keen to propagate as the violence escalates.

This is not, after all, unusual in lands descending into civil war; there is a reluctance, perhaps natural, to accept that compatriots would be eager to inflict brutalities on each other and more comforting to blame outsiders; the raging conspiracy theories in such situations are ideal for disseminating such claims.
[...]
It was later claimed that they were not from the US security contractor which had attracted notoriety in Iraq, but from Greystone, a Blackwater affiliate. The Russian foreign ministry maintained the operatives were from Greystone, something the company denied. The following day, a crowd, somewhat confused, had switched the chant to “Greywater! Greywater!”

The Kiev administration, in turn, has repeatedly charged that agents of the Russian intelligence service, FSB, played a key role in fomenting the upheavals and that members of Spetsnaz, Russian special forces, had been active on the frontline, a reprise of the “men in green” so active in Crimea as the territory was annexed by Vladimir Putin. These claims have been echoed in Washington, London and other Western capitals.

Ukraine’s acting government had pointed the finger at Igor Ivanovich Strelkov, who they say is a Russian military intelligence operative in his mid- to late 50s, as being one of the main players in this maskirovka, or disguised warfare.
[...]
It is, however, very possible that former members of the Russian forces are serving in militant ranks. During a visit to the police headquarters in Slovyansk, now controlled by separatists, Aleksandr, a former Ukrainian soldier, complained, pointing to his combat clothing: “I’ve seen pictures of this type in the Western media, saying it’s Russian. But it’s actually different.” He asked his companions to go and fetch Nicolai and, when the man appeared, Aleksandr said: “Now look: that’s Russian kit.”

“What? Who’s he? Hang on,” I spluttered into my tea; but the two men smiled and left. So who was Nicolai? He could, of course, have been a former Russian soldier. But he could also have been someone else with a fancy for army surplus.
[...]
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...omething-far-less-controversial-30244105.html
 

CHEEZMO™

Obsidian fan
I wonder if the people throwing a fit about this even know what Academi do or where in the world they have contracts. People seem to think they're some special forces hit squad secret army for hire lol. Not surprising, considering they're a boogeyman for a certain demographic.
 

Nilaul

Member
Baza wojskowa terrorystów została dziś w nocy całkowicie zniszczone podczas operacji antyterrorystycznej w pobliżu Kramatorska - poinformował prezydent Turczynow.

A terrorist military base tonight was completely destroyed during an anti-terrorist operation on the outskirts of KRAMATORSK - said president Turczynow.

http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomo..._Ukrainie__Walki_w_Kramatorsku__USA_chce.html

Which seemed to piss of the Terrorist in Slovyansk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fO5rpYHyM8o

Ukraine has 24 hours to remove their troops, or everything will be burnt and destroyed.
 
It cites the Bild article too!

"Maybe there is something to it..." Who instructed the mercenaries is still unclear [as is their identity].

Yeah but its a mix-mash of uniforms and equipment [not the 400 in question].

Too bad there are no pictures, saying there are 'M16's' is a bit vague, especially as the M16 is a quite old weapon and an unlikely one to be used by mercenaries in an urban enviroment.
 
Too bad there are no pictures, saying there are 'M16's' is a bit vague, especially as the M16 is a quite old weapon and an unlikely one to be used by mercenaries in an urban enviroment.
The second line is the Spiegel's response to the Bild article. Pictures could easily be contested, staged, or edited/mis-represented. The point is just to illustrate how bits of information are extrapolated into larger claims that don't have any solid base of evidence.

Maybe buried in the text:
This is not, after all, unusual in lands descending into civil war; there is a reluctance, perhaps natural, to accept that compatriots would be eager to inflict brutalities on each other and more comforting to blame outsiders; the raging conspiracy theories in such situations are ideal for disseminating such claims.
 

pants

Member
Any chance we can keep this thread about the news guys? Your opinions are nice and everything, but this is not the place for them.

Having to trawl through heavily biased opinions to find a shred of news is not fun reading.

Exactly this. I'd rather not go on another banning spree.

It's becoming ever more difficult because there is heavy bias on both sides of the reporting lines. The news we are all reading is in fact increasingly becoming biased opinions
 

kess

Member
Interesting excerpts from an interview with Alexei Volin, the Deputy Minister of Communications in Russia. I cleaned up the translation a little bit but the original page can be found here. Google translate here. The ministry is clearly trying to attract foreigners with a more conservative viewpoint.

This interview was conducted about a month before the events in Ukraine but this helps put some of the media coming from Russia in context.

There is no problem for gays in Russia now?

- (Laughs) The question is not whether there are problems for gays in Russia or not. I basically [think] problems of Russian gays have little interest. As well as the problem of foreign gays. Once again, it is the problem of people not interested in bums. Each of them can dispose of them at its discretion, let alone do not advertise.

We do know that among a large number of western people against the Russian position and gays, and drugs, and many other things find support. Around the world there are many people who hold traditional, conservative values. This is our target audience. Those who have gone mad and crazy because of political correctness, lesbianism, or something else, can not be altered. Sick people! God will judge them. We are dealing with the healthy.

For example, there is a country like the United States, with its tolerance in this respect, with its political correctness, which, too, a new organization [Rossiya Segodnya] focused ...

- Without a doubt. And we know many members of the Republican Party, conservative Americans who say they envy us.

How effective can be the company "Russia Today", headed by Dmitry Kiselyov, to promote their ideas in those countries where this level of aggression is not accepted?

- [It is] Absolutely effective because in all these countries there are many people who hold a close outlook to us, close to our views. In principle, Russia is much closer to those notions of classic free market capitalism, which fought the totalitarian regimes, including communists. Socialism and communism are largely reproduced in foreign countries, with their intransigence to others opinions, to their desire to reduce to one size fits all and build a smooth and even line up.

In what sense?

- All must adhere to certain beliefs.

Where's that?

- Everywhere! In Europe, America.

...

And some more examples other than homosexual themes do you have?

- Not only homosexual. A number of issues in international relations. Lord, speak to normal Western people, with the Conservatives - with Republicans in America, with the right in France, in the UK. They are very unhappy with what is happening.

Also,

Do you not think that the state has deteriorated the quality of journalism?

- The condition of journalism has become worse because every journalist, instead of doing their professional duties, well, not everyone - many feel like messiahs and bearers of the highest mission. Journalists should not be like the Messiah, they must work with honest information. Make it useful, digestible and interesting to the reader.
 
CNN please

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antonz

Member
Citizens in Luhansk are asking Kyiv for Legal Immunity so they can deal with Separatists who have resorted to looting and other crimes to sustain their revolt.

Many events happening in Crimea in remembrance of the 70th anniversary of Russia deporting Crimean Tartar. In response Russia brought in thousands of extra troops and armored vehicles including mobile detention trucks.

@EuromaidanPR 23m
Requiem concert to mark 70years of #Crimean Tatars deportation to take place in #Simferopol Tatar music theatre at 3pm today.
EuromaidanPR 25m
Commemorating 70th anniversary of #Crimean Tatars deportation: laying flowers to memorial in #Simferopol today. http://ru.krymr.com |EMPR

Fresh attack on checkpoint outside Mariupol where Separatists had supposedly made peace with Local government to turn in their arms.

@EuromaidanPR 10m
Terrorists opened fire at the National Guard checkpoint near #Mariupol & Channel 5 TV crew. No injured. http://www.5.ua |EMPR
 

Ty4on

Member
CNN please

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No wonder Donetsk wants to be Russian, they're in Russia!

Also, I've wondered lately why it is most common to call the mostly Russian speaking Luhansk by its Ukrainian name, but mostly Ukrainian speaking Kiev by its Russian name. Probably something old, but it's still odd.
 

demolitio

Member
I don't even know what to say about this. I have no words to summarize it. It's what happens when idiots play with a military toy. Don't worry, it doesn't show anything bad (stupid and sad? yes.)

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=34e_1400167199



Seriously, how dumb can people be? Also, it seems like a horrible idea just to abandon a BMP like that while not even securing it in any way or idiot-proofing it. I'm pretty sure this is a video everyone here can agree over...PEOPLE ARE DUMB all over the world.
 
UN's Office of High Commission of Human Rights published a report, 34 pages, "document[ing] 'alarming' deterioration in human rights in eastern Ukraine."
[...]
The report makes a number of observations and recommendations relating to the programme of legal reforms under way in the country, including expressing concerns about the “Law on the restoration of the credibility of the judiciary in Ukraine” which entered into force on 10 May.

While noting that many peaceful rallies and demonstrations continue to take place in Ukraine, the report describes “an increasing tendency in some critical urban areas for rallies of opposing groups to be held simultaneously, often leading to violent confrontations.” It also notes “repeated acts of violence against peaceful participants of rallies, mainly those in support of Ukraine’s unity and against the lawlessness in the cities and villages in eastern Ukraine. In most cases, local police did nothing to prevent violence, while in some cases it openly cooperated with the attackers.”

Listing numerous specific examples of targeted killings, torture and beatings, abductions, intimidation and some cases of sexual harassment – mostly carried out by well-organized and well-armed anti-Government groups in the east – the report also draws attention to missing persons, including 83 still unaccounted for after disappearing during the events related to the original “Maidan” protests in Kiev. In the east, there has been a worrying rise in abductions and unlawful detention of journalists, activists, local politicians, representatives of international organizations and members of the military, the report says. While some have subsequently been released, the bodies of a number of others have been dumped in rivers or other areas, and some remain unaccounted for. The problem has been especially marked in and around the town of Slovyansk, in the Donetsk region, with a group called the ‘Slovyansk self-defence unit’ heavily implicated.

The report also notes cases when the State Security Service and army units operating in the east have been accused of killing individuals and of being responsible for forced disappearances. “Security and law enforcement operations must be in line with international standards and guarantee the protection of all individuals at all times,” the report says, adding that “Law enforcement bodies must ensure that all detainees are registered and afforded legal review of the grounds of their detention.”

The report draws particular attention to the deteriorating climate facing the media in eastern Ukraine. “Journalists, bloggers and other media personnel either based in the region, or visiting, are facing increasing threats and acts of intimidation, including abduction and unlawful detention by armed groups,” the report states, noting allegations that “at the check-points of Slovyansk, there are lists of journalists and others that the armed group is seeking, with photographs and personal data.”
[...]
The report notes numerous difficulties arising from the fact that “the legislation of the Russian Federation is being enforced on the territory of Crimea, at variance with the UN General Assembly resolution 68/262.” This, it continues, “is creating difficulties for Crimean residents as there are many differences with Ukrainian laws.” One particular example concerns the halting on 6 May of the opioid substitution therapy (OST) programme that had been available to HIV/AIDS patients in Crimea as well as in the rest of Ukraine. “The majority of former OST patients now face deterioration in their health condition due to the fact that this treatment has been curtailed,” the report states.

The report highlights a number of other emerging problems in Crimea, especially in relation to the Crimean Tatars and minorities. The Crimean Tatars, who were accused of treason and forcibly deported en masseto Central Asia by the Stalin government of the USSR 70 years ago on 18 May 1944, were only allowed to return to Ukraine during the 1990s.

The report notes alarming developments surrounding the issue of citizenship following the agreement between the Russian Federation and the authorities in Crimea, which stipulates that the citizens of Ukraine and stateless persons permanently residing in Crimea or in Sevastopol shall be recognized as the citizens of the Russian Federation. There are reports that those who did not apply for citizenship by the deadline of 18 April “are facing harassment and intimidation.”

Crimean Tatars are facing numerous other problems[...]

The report notes that the regional office of the Ombudsperson in Crimea has been forced to close, and expresses concern for “NGOs based in Crimea who will now operate under the law on foreign agents of the Russian Federation. This will potentially affect their operations, as it places restrictions on the receipt of foreign funding. There is no such law in Ukraine.”
[...]
http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=14606&LangID=E
 

antonz

Member
Ukrainian Military Personnel that was stationed in Crimea and defected to Russia get a rude awakening with new deployment orders to Dagestan.


Russia knows what its doing. Dagestan is an area with constant violence and separatism so why send Russian soldiers to die when they can send Ukrainian traitors.
 

antonz

Member
Damn, that is embarrassing.... Yet he still maintains that he was shot at, no?

Yep he still claims it though there is nothing in the video whatsoever that shows any shots. In fact the video seems to make it pretty clear he set off the flare himself deliberately.

He has been staging a lot of videos though getting sympathetic people to claim things in videos for Russia Today. He is a slimy guy I'm not sure why they let him stay. He runs a website on how to be a sleazy foreigner and pick up Ukrainian women for sex etc on the idea that you might bring them home to UK or America etc.

In news:

Heavy fighting being reported in Slavyanks. Reportedly the fiercest battle since operations have started lots of explosions etc.

@EuromaidanPR · 7m
#Slovyansk: shots & explosions are heard. It’s reported it’s the loudest it’s been since ATO started |EMPR Post #Ukraine

Russia has been claiming Ukraine has been using UN marked Helicopters to attack Separatists. Footage turns out to be from Ukraine's peacekeeping force in Congo 2 years ago
 
Fuck RT
In Donetsk and Luhansk the situation remained volatile. Other parts of Ukraine remained calm.

The situation in Kharkiv remained calm.

In Luhansk region the situation remained volatile. The Head of Regional Police Department informed the Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) that the Regional Police can only enforce law and order in the northern parts of Luhansk region. According to him the remaining territory is under control of several irregular armed groups. According to the Head of the Regional Police, the irregular armed groups comprise approximately 1,000 individuals armed with a variety of weapons ranging from Kalashnikov assault rifles to anti-aircraft missile launchers. Seventy illegal checkpoints have been established throughout the region.

In Donetsk the situation remained volatile. The SMM observed that at both the Donetsk Military Prosecutor’s Office and the Donetsk Television Broadcasting Centre the “Donetsk People’s Republic” flag was flying. The latter also had the flag of forces opposed to the government, the “OPLOT” organization. The television station was barricaded and guarded by about ten OPLOT members, who were on high alert. Close to the barracks in Donetsk Military Unit 3037, concrete block barricades were observed on both roadsides. In addition, the barracks was flying the flags of the “Donetsk People’s Republic” and “People’s Militia of Donbas”.

On the northwest entrance to Donetsk city supporters of so-called “Donetsk People’s Republic” stopped the SMM at the main roadblock with the explanation that permission from superiors based in Donetsk Regional Administration Building would be needed. The SMM was able to proceed after one hour.

On the way from Donetsk to Mariupol on the road H-20, the SMM observed traffic police officers checking cars coming to Donetsk and personnel with “Battalion Vostok” insignia armed with AK rifles and grenade launchers. At the time the SMM passed the checkpoint, a truck arrived with about 20-armed persons wearing St. George ribbons.

SMM reached the eastern checkpoint of Mariupol city on the M-14 road direction to Novoazovsk. The SMM observed three BMP-2’s carrying Ukrainian flags. National Guard staff were checking the vehicles.

Forces opposed to the government stopped the SMM at a roadblock at the entrance to Horlivka. SMM was asked to get out of the vehicle, about 8 activists approached SMM and the vehicle was searched (trunk, bags, compartments). The activists were in civilian clothes; some of them were carrying pistols. The SMM was allowed to leave the roadblock after 30 minutes.

The SMM met, in Dobropillya (100 kilometres northwest of Donetsk), a representative of the leadership of the opponents of the centrally-appointed authorities in Donetsk. The representative underlined that the opponents of the Government accepted the SMM and their mandate.

The situation in Dnipropetrovsk remained calm.

In Kherson the general situation remained calm.

In Odesa the situation was assessed as calm. The SMM observed that the Ukrainian military have withdrawn from the two key checkpoints immediately to the west of Odessa town, at “Dva Stovpy “and “7th Kilometre” checkpoints, the sandbagged defences remain in place. Ukrainian military are now manning checkpoints at Myrne (15 kilometres from Odessa) and Mayaky (38 kilometres west of Odessa) on the E87/M15. Ukrainian military are also manning two checkpoints on either side of Zatoka (53 kilometres southwest of Odessa).

The situation in Chernivtsi was calm.

In Lviv the situation was calm. The SMM met with the chairperson of the Congress of Russian Community in western Ukraine and the representative of the business community. Reportedly, the Congress is comprised of 2,000 registered members and is an umbrella organization for 28 registered Russian community organizations. The representatives were displeased with the lack of representation of the Russian community at either municipal or regional level, the lack of Russian speaking kindergartens was named as one of their concerns. As for religious freedoms, the interlocutors mentioned their inability to obtain a plot of land for building a Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate). They referred to a decrease in the number of Russian language and literature classes. The SMM met with the head and deputy head of the Polish Cultural Society of Lviv region. The interlocutors informed the SMM that no major negative incidents occurred that would have impacted the Polish community. As for the use of minority languages, the community leaders assessed the situation as satisfactory.

The situation in Ivano-Frankivsk was calm.

In Kyiv the situation remained calm.
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/118648
Daily updates from the Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine
 

vonStirlitz

Unconfirmed Member
A little bit late as a thought, but do you believe that territories belong to countries or to its people? I feel it is really dumb to assume the latter.

I find it stupid for someone to claim that "I live here so this place belongs to me". If Russians don't like Ukraine they can always move to Russia permanently.

Despite the political game, do you believe that it is safe to assume that areas belong to the residents or not? Thoughts?

The nation state and nationality are both constructs. Territories and nation states are usurped by narrow interest groups, who control the levers of power for their own agenda. Not that of the residents of the territory. We see this happening both in Kiev (seizure by way of Western supported coup) and in Novorussiya (seizure by popular, possibly Moscow backed, groups).

The idea that a territory belongs to the residents is malleable and useful only in context. The concept is only accepted in the West when it serves political purposes (see Kurdistan, Bosnia, Macedonia, Tibet) and rejected when it acts counter to them (Crimea).
 

Virzeth

Member
Response to Statement by the Russian Federation

As delivered by Ambassador Daniel B. Baer to the Permanent Council,
Vienna, May 15, 2014

...

This is not a comprehensive response, but allow me to make four brief points. First, among his false allegations, the Russian Ambassador talked about "U.S. mercenaries" being active in Ukraine. This is categorically false. We have been able to trace this rumor to a series of Kremlin-sponsored websites that put out a photograph that is indeed either of police or private security contractors. The Internet is a wonderful thing, and eventually people can find out where photographs come from; so it didn't take long for somebody to produce the original photograph, which was actually taken in New Orleans, Louisiana, and had been doctored to remove the fast-food signs and make it look like it might be in the street in an unnamed place. But the allegations that there are somehow "U.S. mercenaries" operating in Ukraine are false.

http://osce.usmission.gov/may_15_14_response_russia.html

This is what I assume he's talking about:

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Post-Katrina New Orleans picture is from a Reuters' blog post dated 8/26/2010 - http://blogs.reuters.com/photographers-blog/2010/08/26/a-hurricane-named-katrina/ - right below that photo is that of a dying woman, and below that a dead man in a lawn chair. Nothing 'gory', but use your discretion.

VICE News @vicenews - 8h
Pro-Ukranian activist groups aren't neo-Nazis. They made a kitten comfort train ride to prove it: http://bit.ly/1jQx6xl #UkraineDesk

bit.ly -> https://news.vice.com/article/ukraines-kitten-carriage-aims-to-dispel-neo-nazi-rumors
 

antonz

Member
Russians and Separatists fighting each other now in Horlivka as both sides have different goals.

Russian Commanders publically calling for Women to fill the ranks as men refuse to join the separatist movement.
@EuromaidanPR · 48m
Girkin, #Russian terrorist “commander”,calls on #Donbas women to join him as not enough men do
http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/05/17/7025653/

National Guard and Special Forces continue to get new Shipments of the latest Armor coming from production lines. BTR-4E. Can sense the Government doesn't trust the Army fully as Army is being left with older tech while the newly formed National Guard gets state of the art

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BTR4-E has Anti-RPG shielding around it etc.
 
Russians and Separatists fighting each other now in Horlivka as both sides have different goals.


Russian Commanders publically calling for Women to fill the ranks as men refuse to join the separatist movement.


National Guard and Special Forces continue to get new Shipments of the latest Armor coming from production lines. BTR-4E. Can sense the Government doesn't trust the Army fully as Army is being left with older tech while the newly formed National Guard gets state of the art

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BTR4-E has Anti-RPG shielding around it etc.

Well given that the army made kiev look like idiots (some turning, some basically refusing to do anything while having their equipment taken, etc.) when the first operation happened I wouldn't be surprised if they're not getting the best stuff.
 

antonz

Member
Russia being Russia has Military Helicopters buzzing overhead Crimean Tartars in Crimea trying to disrupt their mourning activities. Riot Troops and APCs nearby as gathering was forbidden by local government

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antonz

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Heavy Fighting in Slavyansk as it has become a priority to retake city fully before elections. Its also the "capital" of the Russian based forces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZscHbvDhKQ

Russian TV continues to air old footage of crimes committed by the Russian Army claiming its Ukraine today.

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Russian State TV FRAUD : Footage 4.45 claimed from Slavyansk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e1OEuP7aWE#t=294 … … turns out is from Caucasus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdguPr2ytMc … …
 

kess

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The Ukrainian election is happening in a week. Petro Poroshenko is cruising in the polls. Poroshenko owns a confectionary company, Roshen, whose candies have been banned by Russia since 2013, ostensibly over a "labelling" dispute. He claims he will sell the enterprise if he wins election but I'll believe it when I see it.

In the interim, police have shut down one of Roshen's factories in Russia:

Bitter times for chocolate factory in Russia-Ukraine crisis
 

antonz

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So the Ukraine Army is winning, pushing Russians/Separatists Forces back into to the city centre?

Yeah the Separatists have begun fighting amongst themselves. There are 2 Main Separatist forces at play. First Group is more inclined to stay part of Ukraine but staged referendum etc. to make a point whatever that may be. The 2nd group is Militant which is mostly comprised of Russian volunteers.

They have been vocally complaining they can't get local volunteers etc. Meanwhile the Army has just been slowly whittling away at the Separatists with probe attacks.

Army has held off on city center for so long because the Separatists have 40+ hostages and there is the issue of a lot of civilians in the area.

Separatist friendly fire on another squad on separatists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw40sIgHVn0
 
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