Technically, but not practically. Since the end of the USSR, many have sought to separate and don't view themselves as being part of Ukraine. It's one of the main reasons why the Crimea is autonomous within Ukraine. If you ask random people on the street what they identify as, they'll tell you, "Russian".
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Ukrainian Conflict - Donetsk Boogaloo
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yea seems like a lot more of the youth has been visible in pro russian protests in the last few days compared to the beginning of the conflict
Funky Papa
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Ukrainian fascists, go home!
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Yeah, it's strange. They look like East German nazis from the mid 90s, Lonsdale and all.
Bam Bam Baklava
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To think these things are happening in 2014 is truly one of the saddest things I could bear today.
Human evolution needs to pick up the pace... Stat!
LiquidSolid
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Did you even read my post? I was clearly talking about Russian citizens (as in, people who had travelled from Russia), not Crimeans (who are still considered Ukrainian).
Stop talking about this in such definitive terms, it just makes your point look ridiculous. On just the last page a 2012 poll was mentioned where 71% of the Crimean population wanted to stay as part of Ukraine and while I'm sure that's changed since then, it's clear evidence that this issue can't just be determined based on ethnicity alone.
Also, let's say you were right, you'd still only have a 58% chance of someone telling you they're "Russian." That's a majority but not a vast majority. Certainly not enough to decide something as important as breaking away from their country (without a Russian gun pointed at the head anyway).
Apparently, doors of Muslim Tatars in Crimea are being marked with an X.
This is so sad, they better gtfo there it really isn't safe there for them.
That's pretty ridiculous. I wonder if the hyping up of Russian nationalism, backed with the fact Russian troops are providing arms and support to the militia will have a negative effect. I mean one dead Ukrainian or Crimean Tatar and all notion of "protecting the people" of Crimea goes out the window.
Here's hoping, whatever comes, that the people can freely choose what country they want to remain with, or support is provided for whatever the status of Crimea becomes ie. Jobs, housing for Ukrainians/Tatars/even pro-Ukraine Russians in Ukraine.
Tatarstan in Russia apparently signed some agreements with Crimea though, to step up exchanges and support. I bet many Tatars in Russia would want to go to Crimea, and maybe some Tatars in Crimea would want to go to Tatarstan.
Doubtful. People don't normally go to places with far worse economical conditions.
And after that little incident in 1944 one would think they'd be less keen
Resident_UA
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In case this wasn't posted yet. This is a video of journalists being beaten up tonight by "self defence" force... Some of them were from Russia. I really don't understand what those pepole are thinking...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQeIYaxwqF0#t=2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQeIYaxwqF0#t=2
Yeah, except for the fact that they still live in Russia, and the Russians are the ones who committed genocide on them. Whether they go to Crimea or stay in Russia, they still have to deal with Russia.
Resident_UA
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Also the leader of Donetsk separatists was part of Russian fascist camp. The irony...
history is cyclic
Bam Bam Baklava
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Time is a flat circle.
Ma bad I was referring to this
Funky Papa
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I don't understand how the fuck those people are not given chase in the streets like vermin.
I mean, I don't expect neonazis to be particularly sensible, but it takes a special kind of numbnuttery to be a Russian one. You'd think they'd ponder for a bit what went down in the motherland back when the Führer was still kicking.
I mean, I don't expect neonazis to be particularly sensible, but it takes a special kind of numbnuttery to be a Russian one. You'd think they'd ponder for a bit what went down in the motherland back when the Führer was still kicking.
Soyongdori
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Pretty sure Russia will force them out of Crimea just like how they did a century ago, considering the fact that Ukrainian-Tatars are highly anti-Russia.
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captainnapalm
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Ah yes, the Western media, which is totally not biased unlike RT, is so quick to highlight the plight of the people of Crimea now because there is social unrest and protest they disapprove of.
Meanwhile, virtually every single revolution in the Arab spring - you remember, the ones that had the West's approval - has led to actual violence against minorities and sectarian groups - including Christians. Where are the heartfelt pieces that bring attention to their plight?
The hypocrisy is fairly sickening.
Resident_UA
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Fascism is a bigger problem in Russia because of conflicts in Chechnya. There's a lot of open racism in that country and it's very organized.
Ukraine is different. In reality fascism is not a huge problem there. Western Ukraine also glorifies Ukrainian Resistance Army which was labeled Fascist by Soviet Union. Some of the symbols of that army have minor fascist resemblance. But in reality a lot of those fighters fought against both sides. Of course there were acts committed by that army that are hard to justify, but mostly against Polish population. Ukraine and Poland get along just fine by acknowledging each other history. This is not to say that racism does not exist in Ukraine, but it is not organized and has little to do with what Russia calls "fascism".
Funky Papa
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Not only your post is 100% pure, distilled whataboutism, but also hilariously incorrect. Blindly so.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Okay so do you actually have any thoughts on the contents of the article itself by any chance?
Resident_UA
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There were a bunch of different views on this issue in the US. There was no single message. Why you are just assuming that?
CHEEZMO
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CHEEZMO™;103521941 said:
Two of my friends served in Kosovo, Peacekeeping. Straight after whatever shit had ended and as their first proper tour. Just being there in the aftermath fucked them up good.
This is like an accident waiting to happen, these guys (or at least their ilk) are notorious for leaving mass graves behind them. Blessed by the Orthodox. I hope they are not like their predecessors or that any serve with them.
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Seriously, that is fucked up beyond belief. They would act just to live up to their reputation. Muslims need to get out of there if they can. And the rest. If that is a way to send a message it is playing with fire.
captainnapalm
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Great new catchphrase this whataboutism. As if saying that word suddenly makes breathtakingly obvious hypocrisy something above reproach.
The fact is media creates narratives which suit those whose interests it serves. This situation in Ukraine, as was the Arab spring, are textbook examples.
There was so much wrong with the revolutions in the Middle East. There was so much wrong with the one in Ukraine. But you could barely tell reading the news. Whereas the outpouring of concern and indignation over what is happening in Crimea, has been nonstop.
Resident_UA
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What's wrong with you? What does this have to do with middle east?
EDIT: Nevermind. I just read your posts. It looks like you have some agenda. Not sure what it is though since it looks like you are Australian... Weird..
Bubble Metropolis
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Seriously. Fox News was almost violently opposed to the Arab Spring at times due to what it meant for the Christians in the region.
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Seriously. Fox News was almost violently opposed to the Arab Spring at times due to what it meant for the Christians in the region.
But whatabout!
Funky Papa
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A cursory search through Google reveals hundreds, if not thousands of articles about the struggles of many different faiths during the Middle East revolutions. Abuses against the different Muslim sects, Christians and even Druze were documented and populated columns all over the political spectrum.
Not only you are deflecting, but you also suck at it.
dripdripsplash
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You're just objectively wrong.
There has been countless and countless of articles in all mainstream media about worries of the Arab Spring. Attacks on christians in general and on the condition of the egyptian copts, islamic extremism being one point heavily discussed in mainstrea media at this moment with alot of westerners in Syria and whatnot.
Get out of that bubble my friend.
Mgoblue201
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Of course, that's only one (albeit prominent, and somewhat incendiary) example. Ether_Snake posted a much more comprehensive list.
Bullshit, read better news if that is what you saw. And go make a thread detailing the issue if you want to talk about it.
What are you talking about? I'm the one saying things in a definitive manner? You have people in this thread making Nazi comparisons and saying Crimea is part of Ukraine, end of story. I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying. I'm just pointing out that a majority of Crimeans view themselves as Russian, and have for a great deal of time. It's one of the main reasons why Crimea is autonomous.
Imo, the solution is to have a free and fair referendum. Let the Crimean population decide if they want to join Russia.
captainnapalm
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Seriously. Fox News was almost violently opposed to the Arab Spring at times due to what it meant for the Christians in the region.
You'll notice those articles are all from way after the fact, and way after the revolutions were hailed as part of a glorious Arab spring. Or do you think the problems started in 2013?
Of course, the media eventually has to acknowledge a problem. Long after politicians have shaped the initial narrative. A more critical eye towards the revolutions in the first place might have been more befitting some sense of journalistic integrity.
Anyway, I am arguably derailing the thread.
The majority may be ethnic Russian, but the majority also want to stay part of Ukraine.
Resident_UA
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I don't know how to explain this to you... You know how in America there are Italian Americans? Just because they are Italian Americans it does not mean that they would want their community to join Italy... Your assumption is not correct.
So you're doubling down on your nonsense instead of admitting you were mistaken. Do you need the thread to sift through years of browser histories to dig up the particular articles that came out at the time or what?
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