OMG!.......People still listen to Sarah Palin!?
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Ukrainian Conflict - Donetsk Boogaloo
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OMG!.......People still listen to Sarah Palin!?
Scott32020
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https://vine.co/v/MKPUve5hl5I
Reported footage of fighting near the Administration Center in Simferopol, Crimea, Ukraine
Reported footage of fighting near the Administration Center in Simferopol, Crimea, Ukraine
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
I wish you the very best, stay strong...
Jason's Ultimatum
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Yup. Take out the airports. We know where this is heading.
Cow Mengde
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Seriously, it's not our fight. Let them settle this themselves. I'd tired of America sticking its nose into things. America's been screwing up in every campaign in the last decade.
People? No, not exactly...
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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It was certainly mocked in the US - not only by Obama and the press, but by foreign policy experts in this half of the world who called it "far-fetched". So, no I won't piss off.
Muppet of a Man
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Seriously, it's not our fight. Let them settle this themselves. I'd tired of America sticking its nose into things. America's been screwing up in every campaign in the last decade.
Technically it kind of is since the US has a security agreement with the ukraine.
US ain't gonna do shit, Ukraine was stupid to believe that the US would do anything against Russia.
dapperbandit
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Seriously, it's not our fight. Let them settle this themselves. I'd tired of America sticking its nose into things. America's been screwing up in every campaign in the last decade.
The bit with Hans Blix rings true in this.
"Comply, or else."
"Or else what?"
"Or we'll be very, very angry, and we'll write you a letter telling you how angry we are!"
maquiladora
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Berkut been given roses and Russian passports...
To their credit it's hard to take her seriously.
and who predicted it exactly in 2008? Now I don't think Palin came up with this on her own, but she certainly said it at that time
He's probably trying his best to make sure that Russia doesn't look like the aggressor in this situation. At least to the extent where he can spin it that way to his own people through the state's propoganda.
Wait, Ukraine abolished Berkut??
Muppet of a Man
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He's a clever rat. That's for sure. He is basically the head of Mother Russia 2.0. You don't rise to the position of Lt. Colonel in the KGB without being a crazy mofo.
bonesmccoy
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Palin was really just regurgitating standard Hawk talking points. For her, and McCain, NATO can never be too big, and its expansion is sancrosanct.
I don't have a copy of the book, but 'A Republic, Not an Empire' by Pat Buchanan was referenced by Dan Carlin in this week's Common Sense podcast and it does seem remarkably prescient. To paraphrase Carlin, Buchanan talks about guarantees that were made by the US to Russia about not expanding its own 'empire' into the post-Soviet zone and how those guarantees are now being carelessly ignored at risk of provoking another conflict.
maquiladora
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cjp
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jakonovski
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Pretty crazy that Putin is fanning flames of ethnic strife. He's pretty emotional after all it seems. In an evil way which is hella scary.
That's nice. Not only did his friends beat and murder innocent people but they get a flower and a passport for their efforts.
enanogrande
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Of course he does. Authoritarian governments never do anything 'illegal'. It's all run through the gauntlet of yes-men parlaiments to legitimize their actions both domestically and abroad.
And all we need now is one rebel anti/pro Russian milita to open fire on Russian/Ukraine forces and then shit will hit the fan
Missed that, thanks for update. I wonder how many fled there. Bam, instant soldiers.
Missed that, thanks for update. I wonder how many fled there. Bam, instant soldiers.
Seriously, it's not our fight. Let them settle this themselves. I'd tired of America sticking its nose into things. America's been screwing up in every campaign in the last decade.
What do you think we're going to do? Send in the troops? Unless I've completely missed something, we've gotten zero indication that Obama actually plans on doing anything aside from the usual "Hey, you guys, knock it off or we'll do something." rhetoric.
Man, a couple of days ago I wondered about this:
https://twitter.com/GermanyDiplo/status/437625345345609729
My guess now is, that Putin probably talked abut Chrimea to her.
https://twitter.com/GermanyDiplo/status/437625345345609729
My guess now is, that Putin probably talked abut Chrimea to her.
The EU is an (pretty successful) economic union, not a country. It doesn't have an army or even one voice in foreign affairs and I doesn't want to have that. Just look at a couple of crises that happened recently, they were completely divided on those. UK usually goes with the US, so does Poland. France and Germany often agree to disagree and everybody else is somewhere in between.
I guess majority of members here have no actual idea how strongly and deeply Ukraina is divided by national feel inside for more than a century.
I am not surprised at all with ongoing situation. Also, there can't be much done to stop country from being divided IMO
And world will be a better place if it happens without war.
Good. Armed civilian resistance is what Russia is looking for.
16:35: Refat Chubarov, the head of the Crimean Tatar Majlis (assembly) says he is calling on Tatars to stay at home and not form resistance units. "Literally hours remain until catastrophe," he said to the Gazprom-owned Russian radio station Ekho Moskvy, via BBC Monitoring. Tatars make up about 12 percent of Crimea's population and have sided with the anti-Yanukovych protesters - now government - in Kiev.
What does he mean by that?
What does he mean by that?
yeah, It's not going to take much for someone to get shot and potentially escalate the situation.
They remember what happened to them in the past, when Russians tried to get rid of them on Crimea (genocide would be appropriate word) - they fear that same thing could happen again.
RukusProvider
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So Russia went into effectively provide military support of a heavily pro Russian section of Ukraine?
Seeing that this whole this was about EU vs russia and the country was already split in its alignment, how did anyone expect a different result?
Seeing that this whole this was about EU vs russia and the country was already split in its alignment, how did anyone expect a different result?
Because there is a widespread belief inside the society that USA has orchestrated this late movement in Ukraine and is thus trying to attack Russian interests in the region. This is what the state media is saying 24/7 and people - including some of my relatives - believe every word when there are comments along the lines of
"Ethnic Russians are in danger, we must safeguard the Eastern side of the country from fascism"
There is 100% support in the parliament for military action regardless of how it is perceived globally. Right now the main interest is still Crimea but things are slowly changing and there is now talk of various areas inside Ukraine. The situation is rapidly escalating, I believe the best course of action for Ukrainians is to publicly protest and demand support from the international community. I
maquiladora
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Military support for what exactly? There was nobody being threatened or killed in Crimea.
42% of Crimea isn't pro-Russian, and there are several regions within Crimea where Russians are the minority. A 2011 poll found 71.4% consider Ukraine as their motherland.
Is this all Putin or the entire government of Russia that is pushing for doing things like this? Because to me it looks like Putin trying to power-grab before he gets ousted in 2018- so he can come up with a reason to stay in power in Russia.
I wouldn't doubt serious talks about assassination attempts on him at this point either.
I wouldn't doubt serious talks about assassination attempts on him at this point either.
Tatars are proud, patriotic and hate Russia with a passion, and they'll never give up the Crimea without a fight. I'm actually surprised they've kept quiet so far.
Palin also said...
"As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008 "
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil." -Sarah Palin, in a message posted on Facebook about Obama's health care plan, Aug. 7, 2009
"But obviously, we've got to stand with our North Korean allies." --Sarah Palin, after being asked how she would handle the current hostilities between the two Koreas, interview on Glenn Beck's radio show, Nov. 24, 2010
So I don't put much stock in what she says.
A joint army for the EU would completely defeat its purpose. The only reason the EU exists is to prevent another European war from happening.
Partial Gamification
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I don't know if it would be more fuel for the fire or not but since Syria is left on simmer and Ukraine is getting ready to boil, I'd say Russia has the chance to legitimize some of its Arctic claims if there could be a peaceful rapid diplomatic resolution; EU and RUS can both benefit by cooperating with a future Ukraine. It should be less of who does Ukraine side with than it is how can Ukraine avoid being a quasi-vassal to either entity (and US by proxy of EU-NATO).
We already failed at that it seems, maybe it's time to rethink the whole no-army thing.
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