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[iceatcs]

No problem in here but first it does feel difference at the beginning, then it feel naturally afterwards. That's because I get very easy get used to it.

I may feel sorry people can't get used to it. I'm wondering how is their life going on if cannot get used to anything.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

No problem in here but first it does feel difference at the beginning, then it feel naturally afterwards. That's because I get very easy get used to it.

I may feel sorry people can't get used to it. I'm wondering how is their life going on if cannot get used to anything.

I finished the game and I DID get used to it. The question is: Why do we have to? This isn't life, it is a product I payed for. And the predecessor of this product was already perfect in this regard.


This post on the official ND forum sums up the dilemma pretty well. Looking at Arnes statement on the ND blog I'm seriously concerned that they don't understand what the problem is here.

Hi,
I'm the guy who created the topic on the official forum.

Thank you for the official response. Thank you for the numbers and gameplay theory too, but now, just take a gamepad, and start playing Uncharted 3 campaign, not multiplayer. Just try to make a small diagonal in the blue area, not too fast, a simply very small diagonal to ajust your aiming, and tell me if it's normal that goes under the right and not diagonally.



Can't you see the problem ? Aiming in U2 was perfect, we where free to move the aiming wherever we wanted, and now we just can't !


In our french forum (forum.hardware.fr), a lot of people are saying the same thing !
You say that it was difficult in Uncharted 3 to shoot somebody, but no, it really wasn't !! And it's not a problem of recoil or whatever else, it's really just moving the cursor where we want, there is a problem with diagonal, with sensivity, a bad "deadzone" with tje right stick... I don't know, but I think you don't understand what is our problem... :/

And : "We did adjust the sensitivity to be MUCH higher in Uncharted 3 to give you a more precise feel. With Uncharted 2 it was pretty much guaranteed you would aim in one of the 8 directions and it was hard to deviate from that (imagine it being almost like a traditional 8-way arcade stick). With Uncharted 3, you can deviate from the straight path from each of the 8 directions much easier and more precisely."

-> Definitilty, we have NOT the same game, seriously !!! This is just the oposite !!!

Most of players see the "square aiming" problem.
It good to try to make something different and better. It's better to see and admit that there is a problem with that change.

I hope you will hear your fans call, because we really love your games, and we just want to play it the best way we can !

 

[sajj316]

No problem in here but first it does feel difference at the beginning, then it feel naturally afterwards. That's because I get very easy get used to it.

I may feel sorry people can't get used to it. I'm wondering how is their life going on if cannot get used to anything.

Why fix something that wasn't broken? Simple as that. I love fhis franchise more than anything but I don't have blinders on. My wife commented that I sucked at aiming in UC3. I then put on UC2 and pulled off 7 straight headshots.

 

[iceatcs]

I finished the game and I DID get used to it. The question is: Why do we have to? This isn't life, it is a product I payed for. And the predecessor of this product was already perfect in this regard.

But you did finish this game, then why not move on to the next game.

Why fix something that wasn't broken? Simple as that. I love fhis franchise more than anything but I don't have blinders on. My wife commented that I sucked at aiming in UC3. I then put on UC2 and pulled off 7 straight headshots.

There may be reason to changes. Also this post is the example how I felt sorry to them.
Keep going on patience and practice, you will feel get used to it

 

[alexfont]

I'm playing on Hard (Chapter 5 now) and didn't notice anything yet. What I notice its a better AI for all the NPC.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

But you did finish this game, then why not move on to the next game.


There may be reason to changes. Also this post is the example how I felt sorry to them.
Keep going on patience and practice, you will feel get used to it

... because I have a brain and do question my surroundings?

And I would love to come back to this amazing game and beat it on hard and crushing. It's an incredible piece of work and not a Big Mac...

 

[iceatcs]

... because I have a brain and do question my surroundings?

And I would love to come back to this amazing game and beat it on hard and crushing. It's an incredible piece of work and not a Big Mac...

That's no problem. Good luck.

 

[Corto]

I'm also feeling the change on the aiming as I finished UC2 just before starting to play UC3. The diagonal movement of the reticule is sluggish, it seems pistols are the worst offenders concerning precision.

As for AI in the first levels I had 3-4 enemies just walking crouched straight up to me on open field just to stop side by side by me just for me to take them down. Felt really weird.

Could it be the 3D implementation messing a bit of the aim? I'll try with 3D next to see if that changes anything. But I'm no expert and this could be the most stupid thing to ask. The gun mechanics certainly feel different.

That said I've already earned the headshot trophy so I am able to take enemies that way, is just that it feels more laborious to do it.

 

[ChocolatePuddin]

Is it just me or does drake seem a little drunk while you move him around? he like holds on to every object in sight while walking past it so he doesn't fall over or something?

 

[thuway]

Lol that website post was the response from ND on the aiming issues!?

ND have really become one of the most arrogant developers this gen never willing to admit when they are wrong.

People are not imagining the aiming is bad, you can turn up the sensitivity to help
but it does not fix the twitchiness.

You have no idea what the fuck your posting about.

 

[SnipeyMcGee]

Closing in on the finale and have yet to have any issues with aiming. I really hate the dual shock controller for shooters but so far I've had no problems pulling headshots. If there was something off I think I would have noticed it sometime way earlier in the game.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

I'm enjoying Uncharted 3 for the most part but this issue is seriously annoying. I played a few of the major fire-fights last night and while I was able to make my way through them I was definitely struggling with the aiming the entire time.

The problem is really simple, the right joystick just sticks on horizontal and vertical movements much more than it should.

 

[Thrakier]

Okay, it's up. It's 5:20AM here and I haven't slept yet so I'm not going to edit it, so there's about 3 minutes of me switching games and loading it up(which takes FOREVER).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcJ0WrhiUSM

UC3 is until 2:20, then you can click the annotation to go to UC2(or just go to 5:20). It's at the start of Chapter 13 so if you REALLY don't want to see the environment then don't watch, but it's literally the very start and isn't spoiling anything that matters. I wanted to basically have a spot to quickly load and show both the aiming and the sticky aim which is a lot easier on enemies that don't know you're there.

I basically did 2 things: Test the up/down, left/right and then diagonal. In UC3 the diagonal is actually me trying to go like /, and that fucked up direction is what I got instead. Then I show how severely the reticule is impacted by being near an enemy. The part that gets me is around 1:20, where I aim into them from the legs and go to the head. It is SLOOOW, so imagine that on enemies actively moving and you can see why people are frustrated. I play on max sensitivity now which doesn't suffer form that issue, but instead I overshoot targets and it still doesn't feel natural even though I'm getting "used" to it. There's no reason why me showing default + 1 in both games should be that different. I always used that in UC2 and most of this is showing why I can't do that at all here. Max on UC3 is more jittery over anything else, and is making me use blindfire and close range weapons more--which isn't how I want to play uncharted.

Hope this clarifies something, because I really want to show what's wrong to try and fix it to help. I'm loving everything about this game except the combat right now, but I like the DESIGN I'm seeing, I'm just being restricted. I actually replayed the UC2 level while this was uploading because of how fun the combat was for me in that game.

You really need to calibrate your TV, that looks horrible.

 

[subversus]

Is it just me or does drake seem a little drunk while you move him around? he like holds on to every object in sight while walking past it so he doesn't fall over or something?

Ahahahaha. People crunched to hell and back and gamers don't appreciate it!

"We have idle animations in Uncharted 3 that are over 12 minutes now," says Lemarchand. "We can stream them, we don't need lots of memory, we just need the disc access time. We also just put in a lot of extra polish onto Drake and other characters. He'll reach out and touch walls as he passes them, which is something that we tried not to overdo, but it does further the naturalistic look his animation has and sell him as a real human being as you steer him through the environments

."

 

[Jarmel]

Played it on Hard with max sensitivity. No problems.

 

[ChocolatePuddin]

Ahahahaha. People crunched to hell and back and gamers don't appreciate it!


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haha no I appreciate it he just seems very unsure of his balance, I do the same thing after half a bottle of jack, touch all the walls I walk past and stuff.I guess it makes him feel more human, like a really cool out going adventure seeking guy, with a drinking problem.In fact that would explain the weird aiming, PROBLEM SOLVED.

 

[Corto]

haha no I appreciate it he just seems very unsure of his balance, I do the same thing after half a bottle of jack, touch all the walls I walk past and stuff.I guess it makes him feel more human, like a really cool out going adventure seeking guy, with a drinking problem.In fact that would explain the weird aiming, PROBLEM SOLVED.

Spoilers people! Spoilers!

 

[CosmicGroinPull]

Just played a little bit, so I can't really be sure, but there was something off in that I sucked whereas in the previous games i got headshots quite easily. I thought it was just a matter of getting used to it again, now I'm a little worried.

 

[Corto]

Just played a little bit, so I can't really be sure, but there was something off in that I sucked whereas in the previous games i got headshots quite easily. I thought it was just a matter of getting used to it again, now I'm a little worried.

You'll get used to it. But it's a different feeling for sure. Try to adjust sensitivity setting to a more comfortable one.

 

[SnipeyMcGee]

Just played a little bit, so I can't really be sure, but there was something off in that I sucked whereas in the previous games i got headshots quite easily. I thought it was just a matter of getting used to it again, now I'm a little worried.

I really wouldn't worry about it. I chalk my deaths up to bad positioning/luck (shotgun blast from the flank mostly), not on aiming. If there even is an issue it's so slight that I haven't noticed it. I've done fine from the start of the game, about 7 hours in right now. Didn't even know there was a "problem" until I checked neoGAF this morning.

 

[lowrider007]

Drakes secret weapon ;-P

 

[Wickwire]

I started the game on Hard and the aiming did feel a bit "off". U2 felt like I was able to aim with much more precision. I'm 20 chapters deep and I feel Ive gotten used to it (I got my 100 headshot trophy last night), but I did have this concern for first couple of chapters.

 

[Thrakier]

I really wouldn't worry about it. I chalk my deaths up to bad positioning/luck (shotgun blast from the flank mostly), not on aiming. If there even is an issue it's so slight that I haven't noticed it. I've done fine from the start of the game, about 7 hours in right now. Didn't even know there was a "problem" until I checked neoGAF this morning.

lol, that's really funny. I can't wait to see how his works out for me. A friend of mine is playing since saturday and wasn't mentioning a problem. Can't think back of a thing this polarizing.

 

[LiK]

So I pumped up sensitivity last night up a notch from Bruiser's recommendation instead of maxing it and it felt better. But targeting is still a lil off.

 

[CosmicGroinPull]

yeah, I'll try to up the sensitivity, no way I'm holding off for some 'unassisted mode' patch.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

People can try to downplay this all they want but for anyone who plays a lot of shooters on PS3 this is something that will easily be detectable.

The game is certainly not unplayable and the controls are not awful, there is just enough of a problem to make things irritating.

Keep in mind I'm not the type of person who usually complains about this sort of thing, I love the aiming in other "controversial" games like Killzone 2.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

Drakes secret weapon ;-P

hahaha took a while but I got it

 

[Pranay]

People should blindfire

 

[lowrider007]

Like I said last night this is an angle snapping issue, or rather it's giving you the same effect, it's like squared off aiming, it makes it hard to pull away from the x and y axis if your aiming around 30 degree of the horizontal or vertical axis.

hahaha took a while but I got it

I wondered if anybody would he he.

 

[Raonak]

I felt that the aiming deadzone was bigger.

 

[guina]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcJ0WrhiUSM

Oh now i understand it, that negative acceleration when the crosshair is near the enemy should not be there. Aiming with analog sticks is imprecise by itself, if you add even more random behaviors like this it becomes weird.

Fix this shit ND!

 

[lowrider007]

Oh now i understand it, that negative acceleration when the corsair is near the enemy should not be there. Aiming with analog sticks is imprecise by itself, if you add even more random behaviors like this it becomes weird.

Fix this shit ND!

That isn't the only problem though, there is an issue with aiming diagonally, the reticule seems to want to stay on the z and y axis.

 

[TheExodu5]

Those stats don't say a thing...he's killed 10x as many enemies in UC2. In fact, his headshot:kill ratio is higher in UC2.

 

[guina]

That isn't the only problem though, there is an issue with aiming diagonally, the reticule seems to want to stay on the z and y axis.

Oh that is even weirder, and looking at the video again i noticed it. Bring back UC2 aiming, it was great.

 

[lowrider007]

Those stats don't say a thing...he's killed 10x as many enemies in UC2. In fact, his headshot:kill ratio is higher in UC2.

Yeah you do have a point sorry.

 

[BruiserBear]

So ND says they changed a few things from Uncharted 2's aiming, but it's still exactly the same?

lol

 

[Yagharek]

That youtube vid quote above is really helpful. It shows me that the problem is real (not that I doubted it) but it also shows me what to expect.

I dont expect it to bother me, personally, but its clear as day that UC2 had a smoother aiming setup.

 

[Prezhulio]

i thought this thread would be nonsense and the same gunplay gripes people had from u2 (which seem unfounded to me), but man....i played it for a few hours last night and it is not good. hope they patch it, because it's pretty frustrating right now.

 

[Manp]

Looking at Arnes statement on the ND blog I'm seriously concerned that they don't understand what the problem is here.

actually it's pretty common practice in any business to just play dumb and deny a problem even exists by pretending to not understand what your customers are complaining about.

customers will then run in circles trying to better explain the problem that was already crystal clear from the beginning. this can buy you some time to fix things and/or not damage your sales...

"hey i move the stick in circles and the game aims in squares!"
"yeah that's because the enemies totally move faster this time duh"

 

[LiK]

That youtube vid quote above is really helpful. It shows me that the problem is real (not that I doubted it) but it also shows me what to expect.

I dont expect it to bother me, personally, but its clear as day that UC2 had a smoother aiming setup.

It's only annoying when you're in a room filled with enemies and the ones that are further away are tougher to headshot cuz you're fighting the reticule. It's especially annoying against the snipers.

Still doable from retries but I never had such issues in UC2 so it's a bit of a learning curve.

 

[web01]

You have no idea what the fuck your posting about.

What you do not think a developer outright denying a problem exists
is not arrogant? Not to mention this is not a first for ND.

And do not try play semantic games about how I described the aiming problem to me it is twitchy because I am fighting the controls to aim up head shots, some people call it sticky because of the way aiaimg slows down over characters, the point is it does not feel correct or as good as uncharted 2. No surprise though ND have a history of changing things that were never broken in the first place.

 

[rhino4evr]

Typical GAF making mountains out of mole hills. Yes the combat is different, but I think it's intentional given how combat has evolved from a cover shooter to an all out arena battle. You have to stay on your feet and keep moving.

If anything this is was Uncharted 2 hinted at but never fully grasped.

I seriously don't understand why so many of you obsess about stuff like this instead of adapting to the new gameplay and enjoying the change in pace from the past few games.

I've had zero problems aiming.

 

[Yagharek]

It's only annoying when you're in a room filled with enemies and the ones that are further away are tougher to headshot cuz you're fighting the reticule. It's especially annoying against the snipers.

Still doable from retries but I never had such issues in UC2 so it's a bit of a learning curve.

I think I can imagine that. I'm not the most accurate shot in the other 2 UC games, so I tend to approach rooms a bit more methodically. Then run in and get neck deep into trouble. The games play well when theyre unpredictable at least.

Although now Im worried about snipers. Might see if I can try it out at the shop before buying.

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

actually it's pretty common practice in any business to just play dumb and deny a problem even exists by pretending to not understand what your customers are complaining about.

customers will then run in circles trying to better explain the problem that was already crystal clear from the beginning. this can buy you some time to fix things and/or not damage your sales...

"hey i move the stick in circles and the game aims in squares!"
"yeah that's because the enemies totally move faster this time duh"

Yeah I don't know. Probably because they make excelent games I think they are better than that. Maybe I'm just naive here Because everyone who has played UC1/2 would notice what the problem is imo...

 

[lowrider007]

PROOF!!

This video was just posted on the official forums in regards to input lag and aiming, look closely and you'll see he moves the stick diagonally but the reticule doesn't follow, instead it goes horizontal massive difference compared with Uncharted 2, I'd say that UC3's graphic engine or tripple buffering or something is having an adverse effect on the controls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5-9oV9cXwY (keep watching, he shows UC2 also)

There is noway ND can deny the problems with that video.

 

[Auto_aim1]

PROOF!!

This video was just posted on the official forums in regards to input lag and aiming, look closely and you'll see he moves the stick diagonally but the reticule doesn't follow, instead it goes horizontal massive difference compared with Uncharted 2, I'd say that UC3's graphic engine or tripple buffering or something is having an adverse effect on the controls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5-9oV9cXwY (keep watching, he shows UC2 also)

There is noway ND can deny the problems with that video.

240ms? That's even higher than Killzone 2, which had 150ms input lag.

 

[lowrider007]

240ms? That's even higher than Killzone 2, which had 150ms input lag.

Forget about the input lag, look at the stick movement at the beginning of the video, he blatantly moves the sticks diagonally yet the reticule responds by moving on the horizontal plane only.

This is cast iron proof that the controls are broken.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

Typical GAF making mountains out of mole hills. Yes the combat is different, but I think it's intentional given how combat has evolved from a cover shooter to an all out arena battle. You have to stay on your feet and keep moving.

If anything this is was Uncharted 2 hinted at but never fully grasped.

I seriously don't understand why so many of you obsess about stuff like this instead of adapting to the new gameplay and enjoying the change in pace from the past few games.

I've had zero problems aiming.

Trying to frame this issue as a conscious design decision is baffling to me, quite frankly. It reeks of damage control. There is a difference between a measured and obvious approach to aiming in an FPS or TPS that is striving to do something different (see Killzone 2) and one that is simply bad. Uncharted 3 falls squarely into camp #2.

To put it another way, this issue has nothing to do with "how the combat has evolved" or some difference between a cover shooter and an arena battler. It has to do with the fact that you are constantly fighting with the right stick to move diagonally. There is quite simply not enough sensitivity in the stick, it feels like trying to aim with a d-pad.

Again, I think the game is great so far other than this one issue, and it isn't severe enough to make the game unplayable, but it is a problem that is both real and frustrating.

 

[web01]

PROOF!!

This video was just posted on the official forums in regards to input lag and aiming, look closely and you'll see he moves the stick diagonally but the reticule doesn't follow, instead it goes horizontal massive difference compared with Uncharted 2, I'd say that UC3's graphic engine or tripple buffering or something is having an adverse effect on the controls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5-9oV9cXwY (keep watching, he shows UC2 also)

There is noway ND can deny the problems with that video.

Deserves a new thread or thread title change.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

240ms? That's even higher than Killzone 2, which had 150ms input lag.

Yeah but that has a lot to do with his display as well.