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Updated Vita Specs - including RAM (512MB+128MB confirmed)
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-Pyromaniac-
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it's definitely not. I forget who said it but a long time ago it was said that it really wasn't possible. Of course people here choose to selectively read things so everyone ignored it and moved on.Pazuzu9 said:
PSVita game carts can allow you to save your files on same game cart. If you want extra media on your PSVita, you're gonna have to spend extra $$.KAL2006 said:
Also you cant compare Vita to some other console since Vita itself is cheap for what it is meanwhile other things you listed werent for their time. Also 360 arcade comes with mandatory mem space since they made the new Dash be saved in there to not cause issues.
Betta Lines
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Really? Was it a statement from someone directly involved with the PS3?-Pyromaniac- said:
Yea, even if they included let say 2-4GB of storage, you could bet there would be people going nuts and why it didnt have 1xGB of space built in. No one will be happy so they let the costumer choose even though its gonna be expensive. But thats also due to retail launch price. They must keep cost low to make that price and not lose too much per console.Mr_Brit said:
OldJadedGamer
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Mr_Brit said:
It should be like digital cameras where they give you a tiny card just barely able to do one or two things and give you a taste... but you know you'll need a bigger card down the road.
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MeisaMcCaffrey
Yup, they won't include it because you can save games on the game cards itself. Oh well.Billychu said:
Console RAM isn't possible to put on a small portable for a lot of reasons, and there is nothing wrong with LPDDR 2 because for a Portable with a minuscule resolution, a high bandwidth isn't required.TyRaNtM said:
Billychu said:
Thats the problem here, how can they be serious about PSN and selling games, apps, videos and etc when your first purchase can't even download anything. I should be able to buy something from PSN as soon as I buy a Vita. This will for sure affect sales for the digital store. Does this mean you have to go and buy a memory card just to use download apps like Facebook and Netflix, most other devices like smartphones do that from the get go, hell 3DS has a memory card and has apps like Netflix for download.
googleplex
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No it was someone talking out thier asshole and the internet eating it up.TyRaNtM said:
jeff_rigby
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Mr_Brit said:
1) It is too early to confirm but the PS3 GTKwebkit disclosure had libraries listed that could only be used by the Vita (geoclue).
Maybe an oversight but this looks like a cut and paste from an internal Sony working repository of libraries being used. The Geoclue listing might be a clue that these libraries are being used for the Vita also. Could also be features planned for the Vita might be implemented on the PS3 in a limited fashion (no GPS). May be needed for Viewing picture and movie GPS tagged.http://downloads.snei-opensource.com/pub/webkit/ said:
There is an earlier developer slideshow stating that the PS3 and Vita would share libraries. Put that together with the latest that Vita applications will be on the PS3 and most likely both the Vita and PS3 have the same GTKwebkit and support libraries with the Vita OS somehow "optimized" with a few of the features removed.
GTKwebkit and support libraries are essentially the core of Gnome mobile Linux, all cross platform and designed to be very resource efficient. Gnome 3.2 Desktop shell uses the Gnome Mobile core libraries and is a Browser desktop.
2) Webcore is provided open source but above the API interface the application and UI are provided by the "PORT" for the target platform. So no touchscreen or physics support unless provided by the port.
The GTKwebkit doesn't support pinch and expand finger or fling or a number of touchscreen features as its designed for a Linux desktop. It's coming though.
Physics routines were also not implemented but Sony does appear to have inertia routines in the Vita OS UI routines.http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTc3MA said:
3) Vita Near is very similar to the OLPC Sugar UI Neighborhood which uses a GTKwebkit and does not have a touchscreen. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27486287&postcount=384
Beyond the above it's speculation. Edit: Included cites to prove the above are facts.
Oppo
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It's exactly like a PS1 or PS2. You need the memory card for that.KAL2006 said:
If you just buy games on carts then you'll have room with each game for DLC and saves. You only actually need an expansion memory card if you insist on going all digital, or want to use it as a media player.
You wouldn't need a memory card for Netflix or apps, though, I wouldn't think.
I don't think the Vita will come with anything but headphones and an AC charger.
jeff_rigby
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=30231980&postcount=783
From a Developer PDF slide show (referenced previously) and provided by onQ123 in a thread on NeoGAF, Sony is implementing PS3-Vita remote play. It follows that the following might be supported for the Vita served from the PS3 operating as a DLNA player inside the home. I.E. Access from the home CableBox DVR and tuner, Sony or others Blu-ray/DVR boxes and more to the Vita via the PS3 connected to the home network. Edit: DTCP-IP is required and is only usable inside the home network.
The PS3 already supports DTCP-IP and with a minor DLNA upgrade can support the above and can then remote play to the Vita making the Vita more valuable.
From a Developer PDF slide show (referenced previously) and provided by onQ123 in a thread on NeoGAF, Sony is implementing PS3-Vita remote play. It follows that the following might be supported for the Vita served from the PS3 operating as a DLNA player inside the home. I.E. Access from the home CableBox DVR and tuner, Sony or others Blu-ray/DVR boxes and more to the Vita via the PS3 connected to the home network. Edit: DTCP-IP is required and is only usable inside the home network.
The unprecedented growth of DLNA I expect is because the above is coming and all recognize it's going to be a very attractive feature.
The PS3 already supports DTCP-IP and with a minor DLNA upgrade can support the above and can then remote play to the Vita making the Vita more valuable.
Callibretto
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PortTwo said:
well, isn't Vita's camera is designed for low light situation?
MikeE21286
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Cruzader said:
This is dumb. They should give away memory cards and promote the use of their store.
GIVE PEOPLE A REASON TO USE THE PLAYSTATION STORE....instead of reasons not to. If their hopes with Vita, as a business model, is to nickel and dime consumers with expensive peripherals (as is typical with a console business) then they're in trouble.
OldJadedGamer said:
They did that with the PSP, but I don't know if there really are tiny cards anymore.
I made do with the 32 MB card until 2007 when I bought a 512 MB card for around $65 and that was just big enough for me to install P3P last year, and then I bought a 4 GB card in February for $15 so I could install Tactics Ogre.
chaostrophy
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MikeE21286 said:
I can understand not including memory, to keep costs down. But is there any good reason for coming up with a new proprietary memory card format instead of using SDHC?
TheExecutive
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I don't know but I always assumed it was to thwart piracy. Of course there is always the tons of money Sony will make off of the cards themselves.chaostrophy said:
jeff_rigby
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YES, interleaving 4 discrete SD chips like Sony did with two in Duo Flash memory massively increases read speed to near Hard disk levels (exaggeration but you get the point). It increases cost though. So you have the primary fast system RAM and SD interleaved memory that has to be large enough and fast enough to quickly boot the Vita with OS and applications Sony feels necessary and then you could use cheaper off the shelf SD memory for games.chaostrophy said:
The PS3 early models used a Duo scheme and interleaved reading from two Flash chips.
Yeah, right from the time the system was unveiled they have said in interviews that the only included memory will be reserved for firmware and OS functions.daoster said:
In a way, the 3DS is the same (you can only use a small fraction of the included internal memory for photos and DSiWare but nothing else) but at least Nintendo had the sense to throw an SD card in box.
Krev said:
I'm inclined to agree. Since it hasn't been announced yet, maybe Sony themselves haven't decided. MicroSD or SDXC would be good. A new SD format would be expensive, but great over the long term. A new Memory Stick format would be disastrous.
Beyond the physical format, there's also the issue of filesystem. The PS3 HDD uses an encrypted filesystem, which is inaccessible from a PC. But assuming you'll have to backup games when the storage is full, Vita will have to be PC accessible. Unfortunately, there isn't a great way to do this right now. The most common FAT format is limited to files under 4GB. NTFS used by Windows is restricted by patents. Most other modern patent-free formats don't work on Windows. It'll be interesting to see what Sony goes with.
AzureNightmare
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The proprietary memory cards will be how Sony stays profitable with the Vita.
BoilersFan23
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It's not being included to bring the price down. If Sony included a card, price would go up then people would complain Vita costs too much. It's naturally easier to get people to buy something at a lower entry price, then having people pick up accessories later (like MS did with 360).Luigiv said:
Callibretto
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I thought the new memory card format is the same as the game card?theBishop said:
AzureNightmare
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Nope, they're completely separate and unique entities.Callibretto said:
Yeah, unfortunately you're right here.theBishop said:
Callibretto said:
The game card will have a certain amount of storage reserved for saves and downloadable content. But Sony has not announced what storage will be used for music, video, PSN downloads, etc. The game cards have only been announced in 2GB and 4GB capacity, so I really doubt that's it.
Luigiv said:
I don't think they've said anything yet about whether a memory card will or won't be included in the system.
This is in their FAQ:
I'm not holding my breath, but I don't think we have confirmation about this yet. On the one hand I think they ought to include a card to encourage digital consumption, on the other, any inclusion they made would be of only temporary help, and it might pee off retail a little given Sony's digital strategy. We'll see what happens I suppose.
AzureNightmare said:
That's why I'm hopeful that Sony won't choose a proprietary format. They want you to fill this thing with gigabytes of downloaded games, Qriocity music, and PSN-distributed films. So even if mass storage is not built-in, it's in their interest to make sure storage is as painless as possible.
AzureNightmare
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The problem with this is that at E3 Sony had a new proprietary memory card on display that was clearly based off their memory stick format, but different in shape.theBishop said:
Edit: Here they are
FAT32 limits individual files to 4GBs but who says that a program needs so be a single cohesive file?theBishop said:
Personally I could see it being either FAT32 with the same access sort of file access the PSP currently offers or it'll a proprietary file format, accessible only through Media Go. I'm personally leaning more towards the latter, given that a custom file format would be far more secure.
AzureNightmare said:
I saw that picture. The physical size of those cards is a little odd since the highest capacity shown is 32GB. 64GB MicroSD cards have recently been announced and are much smaller.
Considering that's the only picture floating around (this was a public show, right?), and there are no other details, I'm not taking it as confirmation just yet. Maybe I'm setting myself up for disappointment.
AzureNightmare
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That picture is the sole reason why I keep saying the listed price for the Vita is not the true price because when you buy the system itself you will essentially only be receiving half of its functionality until you also buy a memory card. And from the looks of that picture, that isn't any flash memory standard that I recognize. It looks completely proprietary which really kills my hype for the device somewhat.theBishop said:
The amount of included memory is typically something that is announced at the same time price is announced. The electronics industry has already trained the every man to believe that memory is most important factor to price. The fact that Sony has mentioned nothing of included memory units is pretty much a confirmation in and off itself. There's always a chance Sony could still change their minds before it launches but for now, the current plan is not to include anything.gofreak said:
But yeah, it's confirmed that that the internal memory is system accessible only, which is what I should have said the first time (instead of included memory).