Except I never once said he should be exempt from the law for it? You also keep quoting me but cutting it right before I say that he should still be receiving mansalughter charges.
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Are you a reporter? You're great at mis-quoting.
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US Soccer Referee Dies After Punch
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Except I never once said he should be exempt from the law for it? You also keep quoting me but cutting it right before I say that he should still be receiving mansalughter charges.
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Are you a reporter? You're great at mis-quoting.
I agree, I guess I should have said it's going to be an entertaining defense to see.
You, me, and everyone still hanging onto this thread are in the same "He is going to jail for X years" boat. I didn't think that needed to be reiterated. I read your excuses for the kid and they simply fall flat on me and I'd like to see that point be brought up in a courtroom. That's all.
EleventhDoctor
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Thank you for having a rational response to this story. When I see the first reaction to people sympathizing with the 17 year old ("haven't you ever been in a fight? How would he know??") it blows my mind. A family has lost their father for a stupid reason. This man was doing a service, doing something good by helping kids learn a sport, and some maniac who can't control his temper ENDS HIM.
Fuck that. That poor family.
Wafflecakes
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We will see if his cellmates in prison agree.
Angry Fork
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You are not arguing in good faith, you are creating opinions I don't have, so you can argue against that instead of what I have actually said. Then taking literally my obviously hyperbolic 'dungeon' statement in order to make it appear like I'm the extremist. I don't have the patience for this.
ElectricBlue187
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Now I'm scared. Gotta teach these juveniles a lesson, make an example of him for the others.
el retorno
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Kid should face jail time but he should get out in 15-20 years max I think even 5 years isn't terribly unreasonable, unless there are other circumstances. I doubt the kid meant to kill and I don't think he's a danger if he gets his anger under control which doctors can help with. Jail should not just be about revenge which is what life without parole would be.
People can feel sympathy for the family. I sure do. But he's no longer with us. The only policy decision is what happens to the kid.
People can feel sympathy for the family. I sure do. But he's no longer with us. The only policy decision is what happens to the kid.
heliosRAzi
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The kid is going to get charged with manslaughter. If not, he'll get charged with homicide by assault which is less severe. He'll most likely receive a pretty good plea bargain, possibly for the homicide by assault and spend zero to five years in state prison if it goes like another case.
JetBlackPanda
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fucking trash. someones dad is dead because some kid got mad at a soccer game?
he deserves the harshest punishment.
he deserves the harshest punishment.
Ignis Fatuus
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I'd have no issues with life in prison. This is not the behavior of someone fit to live in society.
Unless he killed someone with his asshole, i doubt that will be the case.
tiggerkiddo
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the hell...
My condolences to the family of that referee...=(
My condolences to the family of that referee...=(
Yeah that makes a lot of sense. I guarantee you plenty of people you know in your life, family or friends have thrown a punch or two.
Yeah, he doesn't deserve life, but he deserves some time in jail. 5 years would be good... He obviously has issues. You don't mess with authority figured like a referee. That's like punching a police officer or a teacher. Hopefully he is treated as an adult.
We should send every baseball pitcher to jail for life NAOW! They willfully beaned players with a baseball! And even plenty of players involved in brawls! Take em all down. Hell every hockey player ever deserves life or the death penalty. Get this scum off the streets.
Ignis Fatuus
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None of them have killed a man, and to my knowledge none of them ever got violent over something as stupid as a yellow card. Trying to normalize this behavior is bullshit. It's not normal and it shouldn't be considered such.
Sure, people throw punches if someone wants to fight them or they provoke them. However I bet most people don't have family or friends that have sucker punched an authority figure.
Haha this thread did a wonderful job of making it sound like punches to the head can and will cause death in more cases then we'd expect yet hockey still isn't that bad
The fact that the punch killed a man was a total fluke. You make it sound like the sucker punch had the intent of death attached to it.
Miles Quaritch
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I don't know. However small, you always have to consider the possibility that hitting someone could result in a serious, sometimes, life threatening injury.
Does he deserve life? Maybe not, but this case should be used as an example of what happens when you attack someone without any real provocation.
Ignis Fatuus
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Wait are all the people defending this soccer fans? Is that what's going on here? Are people seriously turning this into some kind of sport pride thing?
Joe Paterno would be proud.
Joe Paterno would be proud.
I despise soccer. It is an extremely boring sport. That being said, I just think anyone saying this kid deserves life is being completely and totally ridiculous. An accident does not equal life in prison.
Edit: Obviously, you are taking the cake though since, judging from your edit, you actually think people would defend a serious crime only because of a sport.
Miles Quaritch
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I wouldn't call this an accident.
Ignis Fatuus
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Accident implies no intent to harm. If I shoot you intending to kneecap you and you bleed out and die that's not an accident.
When I see juvenile pissing matches about hockey and baseball in a thread about a homicide I have to wonder where people's heads are at.
Umm, yeah, this is completely an accident. You're example of shooting someone is a bit of an extreme case since a gun is obviously a million times more of a deadly weapon than a fist is but, to be fair, if you shoot someone in the leg with the intention to incapcitate them (and actually hit it which is difficult) and they do end up bleeding out, then yes, I still consider that death an accident. You purposely injured them, you accidently killed them. Not that hard to grasp.
Also, I left the thread for a bit so maybe I missed something but I have no idea where you see a pissing match between hockey and baseball in this thread?
Double also, accident implies no intent to kill in this case. I'm aware he probably had intent to harm but I'm talking about the death being an accident. Stop talking about the world in black and white, it doesn't work that way.
Miles Quaritch
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There was still intent to harm and all the risks that come with that intent.
An accident implies he didn't have intent, that's not true in this case.
An accident implies he didn't have intent, that's not true in this case.
speculawyer
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That is pretty arbitrary.
People punch people all the time. This guy just had a freak occurrence of brain-swelling and then death.
Do we put everyone who punches someone in prison for life? We already imprison more than any other country and doing that means we'd need to build many many more prisons.
Any punch can kill. Did your post have any point to it?
Ignis Fatuus
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If you punch someone out you do tend to get charged if they catch you. I would certainly hope that we put the killers in jail for a very long time.
Legalize marijuana, start clearing out people for minor drug offenses and you'll find plenty of prison real estate left for the actual violent offenders.
Yes, you get charged with assault because that was the crime you consciously committed. There are very few assault cases where the person goes in with the intent to kill. I'm not saying its right that he punched the guy but he didn't go in there to kill him. It was an accidental death and he should be charged with the crime of causing an accidental death, in other words, no where near a life sentence.
Edit: Also, lol at "killer" I was unaware we were dealing with such a high profile criminal here.
no, not every punch can kill. But temple punches in particular *can* kill. Seizures, brain swelling, etc.
I wonder if this kid walked up behind the ref and sucker punched him in the side of the head, starting all this trouble.
lol @ did my post have a point to it. I guess the real question is are you able to get the points?
Ignis Fatuus
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This is why I stopped responding to your posts. You're not arguing in good faith.
Actually, every head punch can kill. We can guess all we want about how the punch went down but it seems we don't have any of that information yet. It just seems like a throwaway post. I'm pretty sure everyone knows the temple is a weak spot on the head, doesn't really matter here unless we find that was a purposeful target later.
I can't help but notice you quote my edit which picked fun at your choice of the word killer which may or may not have been in good faith but then promptly ignore the part before the edit that tears your argument to shreds. I don't think me "not arguing in good faith" is the reason you aren't responding to me.
Ignis Fatuus
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In case you haven't noticed I'm not the only one realizing that you're the joke of the thread.
EleventhDoctor
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Now you have to be joking.
With posts like these, I'm the joke of the thread?
I'm sorry that I don't have the same knee-jerk reaction a lot of you do and just automatically go "OMG, how disgusting. This kid is a psychopath and should be locked away forever."
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Still would love for you to actually respond to any of my points that you've been ignoring.
A freak accident is usually manslaughter in some capacity. That's exactly what I think this is.
Aeriscloud
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The death was clearly accidental, the intent to harm was not.
They'll confiscate his Ipad and find that he googled "deathpunch" a number of times.
Five finger death punch is a decent band. He shouldn't have to serve life just for his taste in music. That's silly.
That is blatently wrong. I mean, you could have made a case for saying no one has said it and meant it but I get the feeling some people who have said it weren't joking.
Edit: Not going to re-quote but that thing you called a noogie punch does have a real name IIRC and if he did indeed punch that way then I could see how we'd have some intent to kill.
Space Avocat
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I do agree that in this case murder is not appropriate, but I think you're oversimplifying what constitutes murder. Not every murder is intentional and in some cases an "accident" could equal life in prison. Generally, if a person does not intend to kill someone, but he intentionally causes grievous bodily harm and that person dies, intent is implied. Or if someone acts extremely recklessly without regard for human life, then intent is implied. Looking at it this way, I can at least see an argument for sucker punching a person in the face and killing them constituting murder.
EleventhDoctor
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Hey man-boys will be boys. He had emotions! Haven't you ever sucker punched anyone? He probably just wanted to blind him-not kill him.
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