clay_ghost
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Audiences will be confused as fucked lol. Still if can work , i dont mind seeing a Marvel multiverse, hell cross over to FOX if possible .
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'Venom' (With Tom Hardy) takes place in the spider-man homecoming universe (MCU)
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Audiences will be confused as fucked lol. Still if can work , i dont mind seeing a Marvel multiverse, hell cross over to FOX if possible .
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darkhunger
Member
It's very easy. Just because Sony says this takes place in the Tom Holland universe, doesn't mean the actual creators of the MCU have to recognize that. It's simply non canon to the actual MCU.
Spiderman can just fuck up eddie brocks career as usual. Doesn't matter how old spidey is.
Trying to stay positive for now....
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Sony: "So Feige did you see that Spider-Man gameplay demo at E3? Pretty cool huh? It would be a shame if we cancelled it."
Just_myles
Member
Venom is not a bad character. What are you talking about? Sure the movie versions suck but, the original concept from way back was fantastic. Mcfarlane's depiction of the character was great. Imagine an enemy that knows everything about you, has the same powers as you(even stronger), and is immune to his spider-sense.
Also note that this happened much later in Spider-Man's life. So there is also that context which I'm sure won't be in these movies.
Feige: "Amy, what are you doing? Venom isn't part of the MCU, Spidey is."
Pascal: "It would be bad if something would happen with Spider Man in the middle of this?"
yeah I know. They just wanted some access to their most valuable property in lieu of bringing Sony's movies back on track.
What even was the universe building attempt in ASM 2? Sony is hoping they strike gold with a spinoff like Fox did with Deadpool. That way they aren't pressure to crank out only Spidey movies to keep the rights.
They fulfill their contractual obligations with the spinoffs and that resets the clock.
Venom stopped beeing a good character straight after his introduction.
Thats why: http://www.spideykicksbutt.com/DarkSideoftheSpider/DarkSideoftheSpider.html
Ninja Scooter
Member
You aren't giving audiences enough credit. I doubt they will care. Xmen movies prove this. The fact that Wonder Woman is doing so well after BVS and SS proves this. Put out good movies with familiar characters and people will go watch them.
Rastafarian42
Member
Is this really surprising? Sony owns Spider-man still I didn't doubt for a second that there would be some type of Spidey reference in it.
CaviarMeths
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_/¯I don't think it's that confusing. SMU movies will do their own thing. MCU movies will do their own thing. Spider-Man may show up in either. You're not giving audiences enough credit. They either don't care or understand perfectly well the concept of parallel continuities. It's just us nerds on the internet who get hung up on questions like "why don't the Avengers ever show up in Agents of SHIELD when world-threatening catastrophe looms."
Yeah, this "Sony/Fox should sell the rights back to Marvel" stuff has been around for over a decade and it's always presented a pretty biased view. Even if there was no time limit, Sony and Fox would keep making Spider-Man and X-Men films anyway. They're consistent money-earners. This isn't some cynical attempt to keep the rights away from Marvel.
Feige and Pascal spent years negotiating a mutually-beneficial arrangement for Marvel and Spider-Man. They're both on board with this, hence the joint press releases and interviews.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Now, all we need is for Sony to make a deal with Fox on the side so that the FF can cameo in Venom and we'll have a glorious multiverse clusterfuck on our hands.
Some are still confused like the X Men will show up in Infinity War.
JimJamJones
Member
As a massive Venom fan, I don't know how I feel about this.
I want Venom in the MCU
, but I definitely do not trust Sony to handle this.
I want Venom in the MCU
and to not be killed after 1 movie
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
It would be funny if Venom was the beginning of the end of the MCU.
Yeah, some people are idiots. But most people got it
Just_myles
Member
I agree with you. He has had good showings (in Erik Larsens run) and really not much else.
Glass Rebel
Member
Why would that be funny?
Tom Hardy is not in the MCU.
Trojan Horse of Hollywood?
Callibretto
Member
I really have no problem with Sony making their own Spidey MCU movies. it's actually preferable because this way, we can hopefully get at least 1 Spidey MCU movie a year. something that can never happen if Marvel is still making it like Homecoming because Marvel has many other characters to think about.
I just hope Sony consult and really take Marvel's advice on how to make their Spidey movies. it's be nice if Marvel is still handling the script and Sony can just produce it.
I just hope Sony consult and really take Marvel's advice on how to make their Spidey movies. it's be nice if Marvel is still handling the script and Sony can just produce it.
SomedayTheFire
Member
Don't see what the problem is.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
Member
McFarlane's version is the worst. It's so ugly.
- I'm not saying there's a bad idea in Venom's concept, just that its always executed very poorly, and McFarlane's portryal has ruined it for me.
Imperial Bishop
Banned
Feige: "Over 10 years of work and it's all going to come crashing down."
"When it comes crashing down and it hurts inside. "
Only the Homecoming movies are part of the MCU. Kevin Feige already told you that the Sony Spiderverse isn't part of the MCU.
andythinkpad
Member
I prefer to think all Tom Hardy characters are the same guy in the same universe.
The reboots with Garfield were made because they were under pressure with the clock ticking.
we will see......
I doubt Feige is thrilled with this Silver and Black nonsense.
Just_myles
Member
Well that is an opinion. Outside of the original design concepts, his designs are quintessential imo. Had to be there I guess. Maybe you're experiences came from later creative teams that poorly implemented his take on the character.
Just_myles
Member
You absolutely can't do it and that is problem. At least let Peter get the suit in infinity war.... something to tie it together and make sense. He can't just pop up looking like Spider-Man. Doesn't make sense.
Venom comics without spiderman exist. Writers are often paid for their creativity.
You mean like it's supposed to be with Peter being a skinny fuck and Brock being a big sumbitch?
Are you talking about the thing with the long tongues and the teeths? That was not McFarlane, his design was redone after two, three appearences of Venom.
gustave154
Member
I for one am excited to see Spidey and Venom fight (Spiderman 3 didn't count)
As far as I'm concerned neither are Agents of Shield or the Netflix heroes. They are not really in the MCU by any meaningful connection yeah words and hint's and stuff. Tony Stark is in Spider-Man and even brings out the Iron Man suit.
By extension Hardy is just as involved as Daisy has been on the big screen. Yo we had a Android powered by the Darkhold and fucking Ghost Rider no MCU crossover. This season should have gotten some MCU love major.
They'll make him an anti-hero, he won't be a villain in this movie. Bet on it.
Brock has always been physically imposing, but from the outside Peter and Eddie were always sort of meant to be others contemporaries. Outside of the startling age difference, as actors Holland and Hardy couldn't be more different from each other.
I know there's a good chance their characters might not interact, but it would be a strange match-up for me.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Oh, yes. I love Daredevil Season 1. Season 2 and AoS S4? Not so much.
For me, the amount of darkness and grittiness that DD S1 should be a baseline for the entirety of the MCU, not the height of it. That's the tone I want out of every Marvel movie! So I hope that Venom scratches that itch and sets a precedent for more MCU films like it!