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[Leflus]

I hope they end their E3 invitations with: "There will be sauce"

 

[Karak]

Followed by Phil Harrison coming out with the Half-Life 3 logo tattooed on his head.

I know it is "just a job" but seeing Phil Harrison involved in ANYTHING MS that doesn't involve crap slinging is so alien to me. I get what he wants in the industry and get that he has some talents but...so many years of him lambasting others. Its going to be a weird weird couple years.

 

[clutch.as.it.gets.]

have you guys read sebbbi's thread on memory bandwidth vs memory amount? very good read.


http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=62108

All you need to know is:

My conclusion: Usable memory amount is very much tied to available memory bandwidth. More bandwidth allows the games to access more memory. So it's kind of counterintuitive to swap faster smaller memory to a slower larger one. More available memory means that I want to access more memory, but in reality the slower bandwidth allows me to access less. So the percentage of accessible memory drops radically.

 

[mrklaw]

They'll be trying throughout production of the units to resolve any problems.

If they have their hearts set on launching on (just pulling lots of numbers out of my ass here) lets say January 1st 2014 and have been told they'll get a 50% yield for the first 3 months then they'll budget for that. But they might get to that point and find AMD have managed to get a 60% yield, or worse it might have dropped to a 40% yield. If they were really struggling then Microsoft would have to decide what to do. Accept the piss poor yield and either pass the price on to the consumer or swallow it hoping the increase over time, or delay the launch by say 3 months. Swallowing the extra cost could cost millions, but delaying 3 months waiting for yields to improve might cost them a lot of sales.

AFAIK (again, I'm expecting to be corrected) all new fabrication processes suffer from some kind of yield problem. Some are easy to iron out, some are less so.

As Sony and Microsoft, you want as high a yield as possible as that way each working chip costs less and they can either lose less on each console or maybe go into the black.

Sure, but if the rumours are true, and yields were low, wouldn't you consider dropping a CU, or some of the edram? The jaguar cores are relatively tiny compared to everything else, seems odd to focus on those as a yield improving exercise

 

[dragonelite]

Followed by Phil Harrison coming out with the Half-Life 3 logo tattooed on his head.

The wizard jizz producing head?

 

[eso76]

Yeah, fable is awesome, I loved 1 and 2, especially 2. 3 was not as great but that was rushed, it still sold over 3 million though.

Honestly had no idea it was still relevant.

 

[oversitting]

Honestly had no idea it was still relevant.

People still have some hope in fable. 3 was ok but its been going down hill since the first one.

 

[iceatcs]

Have any mainstream media outlets started using the term 'wizard jizz' yet?

Our dream* of getting it mentioned in one of E3 keynotes might depend on it.





*My dream.

I thou that gif is so perfect for this term 'Wizard Jizz'

 

[dragonelite]

I thou that gif is so perfect for this term 'Wizard Jizz'

Here is your ticket you just won one internet when you log off you can collect it.

 

[oversitting]

I thou that gif is so perfect for this term 'Wizard Jizz'

 

[Ales]

Is it time to Panic yet about the 720?

Yes
According to rumors in the graphic will not be on par with the ps4,will be included kinect and we know very little about his AAA line-up and new first party.
Hopefully MS surprise us with megaton and a powerful console but the rumors are not very optimistic.

 

[Tripp Daily]

I just noticed. was there a post in particular that saw him fall foul of the hammer?



fable 3 did damage to the series, there's no denying it but with new gen comes new opportunities.

Without Peter Molyneaux comes new vision as well.

 

[Withnail]

Yes
According to rumors in the graphic will not be on par with the ps4,will be included kinect and we know very little about his AAA line-up and new first party.
Hopefully MS surprise us with megaton and a powerful console but the rumors are not very optimistic.

Starting to look like MS have Durangoofed.

Let's hope Secret Durango Component will save us.

 

[Mindlog]

I can't wait for the moment someone accidentally misquotes and outs their Alts.

 

[VIDEOGAMESYAY]

http://abinstein.blogspot.com/2010/09/ipc-myths.html

is your point that Jaguar as specified for Xbox3 is inferior to Xenon? because that would be the opposite of what I was saying, and pretty much the only way your "rebuttal" of my argument would make sense.

 

[aegies]

Durango doesn't have two scalers, but the stuff that post was insinuating isn't too far off the mark.

 

[TheOddOne]

Durango doesn't have two scalers, but the stuff that post was insinuating isn't too far off the mark.

interesting.

 

[derFeef]

Durango doesn't have two scalers, but the stuff that post was insinuating isn't too far off the mark.

The stuff about the compressors (or something) might be true then I guess.

 

[Reiko]

Durango doesn't have two scalers, but the stuff that post was insinuating isn't too far off the mark.

Dedicated dynamic framebuffer?

 

[Clay Davis]

Without Peter Molyneaux comes new vision as well.

Indeed, I love the guy but he became a vice around the series' throat.

 

[JaggedSac]

Durango to be backwards compatible and have TWO scaler chips?

From the source chat: rare making a water racing game

(09:38:40) Source:: I kno that Rare's other title is heavily invested in water simulation...it's pretty amazing to see what they've done.

 

[Leflus]

Indeed, I love the guy but he became a vice around the series' throat.

It should be interesting to see how Scott Henson will handle the studio. He mentions the Fable franchise in his linkedin profile:

Responsible for the recruiting and building a world class studio leadership team as well as stewarding the hugely successful Fable franchise into the future.

 

[Jack_AG]

From the source chat: rare making a water racing game

Waterstorm?

 

[mrklaw]

Durango doesn't have two scalers, but the stuff that post was insinuating isn't too far off the mark.

It's talking about dynamic resolution of a main frame buffer but overlaying a full HD UI. Surely that doesn't need anything special, you can do it now if you have the memory for two framebuffers? If they have some special hardware that can combine play fields like a SNES, then that might make it faster/easier.

Not sure I'd have complete confidence in a company architecting ways to get away with lower res rendering though. But will be interesting to see how it turns out.

 

[abadguy]

Starting to look like MS have Durangoofed.

Let's hope Secret Durango Component will save us.

XB3 gonna get Dreamcasted!

 

[CrunchinJelly]

From the source chat: rare making a water racing game

Well the two rumoured Rare games were a racer and FPS IIRC.

 

[JaggedSac]

Well the two rumoured Rare games were a racer and FPS IIRC.

Yeah, that's why I assumed it was for the racer and not the fps, but perhaps rare is making a Descent sequel in water, lol.

 

[B.O.O.M]

Not really sure how I feel about a 'water racing' game. Obviously need to see it in action first but makes me think it will be a kinect game

 

[Reiko]

Not really sure how I feel about a 'water racing' game. Obviously need to see it in action first but makes me think it will be a kinect game

Water tessellation.

 

[metareferential]

Not really sure how I feel about a 'water racing' game. Obviously need to see it in action first but makes me think it will be a kinect game

It could be an arcade racer supporting both controller and Kinect.

Just like Forza does.

 

[B.O.O.M]

Water tessellation.

GOTY material!

It could be an arcade racer supporting both controller and Kinect.

Just like Forza does.

That would be the best case scenario. hehe for w/e reason I keep thinking of those kinect rafting mini game.

 

[aegies]

It's talking about dynamic resolution of a main frame buffer but overlaying a full HD UI. Surely that doesn't need anything special, you can do it now if you have the memory for two framebuffers? If they have some special hardware that can combine play fields like a SNES, then that might make it faster/easier.

Not sure I'd have complete confidence in a company architecting ways to get away with lower res rendering though. But will be interesting to see how it turns out.

They're not talking about them as frame buffers. Multiple "hardware display planes."

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Not really sure how I feel about a 'water racing' game. Obviously need to see it in action first but makes me think it will be a kinect game

A Kinect swim simulator would make sense, to train different swim techniques.

 

[Clay Davis]

It should be interesting to see how Scott Henson will handle the studio. He mentions the Fable franchise in his linkedin profile:

I look forward to seeing what he brings to the series. Fresh ideas and less overhyping should help it considerably.

Well the two rumoured Rare games were a racer and FPS IIRC.

so not kinect titles? I'm shocked.

 

[Arkham]

Have any mainstream media outlets started using the term 'wizard jizz' yet?

Our dream* of getting it mentioned in one of E3 keynotes might depend on it.

*My dream.

Unlikely "jizz", but someone could easily say "wizard jazz" with a wink and a nod.

 

[Mrbob]

Starting to look like MS have Durangoofed.

Let's hope Secret Durango Component will save us.

Special sauce heals all.

 

[B.O.O.M]

A Kinect swim simulator would make sense, to train different swim techniques.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkfmzQZZpxU

Not again please!

 

[mrklaw]

They're not talking about them as frame buffers. Multiple "hardware display planes."

But you'd draw into them like framebuffers?

SNES has multiple playfields which let you do stuff like parallax scrolling with no overhead from a programming point of view - it was a free effect. Maybe like that? And maybe it is linked with the HDMi in and overlay - so like a genlock.

 

[Leflus]

so not kinect titles? I'm shocked.

Well... They're making something for the Kinect. We just don't know what it is yet.

Taken from linkedin:

Kinect Engineer (Contractor)

Rare Ltd
January 2013 – Present (1 month)

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

But you'd draw into them like framebuffers?

SNES has multiple playfields which let you do stuff like parallax scrolling with no overhead from a programming point of view - it was a free effect. Maybe like that? And maybe it is linked with the HDMi in and overlay - so like a genlock.

So this would be a next gen Mode 7 or something?

 

[aegies]

But you'd draw into them like framebuffers?

SNES has multiple playfields which let you do stuff like parallax scrolling with no overhead from a programming point of view - it was a free effect. Maybe like that? And maybe it is linked with the HDMi in and overlay - so like a genlock.

It's not related to the HDMI in.

 

[op_ivy]

Not really sure how I feel about a 'water racing' game. Obviously need to see it in action first but makes me think it will be a kinect game

give me next gen wave race. and a tropical island to free roam and play around in. with jumps. and dolphins. yeah.

 

[Mrbob]

give me next gen wave race. and a tropical island to free roam and play around in. with jumps. and dolphins. yeah.

Yup. It's been too long since Wave Race. My only concern is I'm suspicious current day Rare can pull it off.

If it's quality I'll be there day one.

 

[B.O.O.M]

give me next gen wave race. and a tropical island to free roam and play around in. with jumps. and dolphins. yeah.

As long as that's not kinect only or something yes, could be a lot of fun

I'm keeping my expectations low though...less chance of disappointment

 

[Baconsammy]

give me next gen wave race. and a tropical island to free roam and play around in. with jumps. and dolphins. yeah.

What we want:

What we'll get:

 

[Wynnebeck]

I saw the water racing game and automatically though Wave Race 720 but does Rare own the IP or Nintendo?

 

[onQ123]

It's not related to the HDMI in.

PowerVR GPU on the chip?

 

[TheOddOne]

From the source chat: rare making a water racing game

Why does miDnIghtEr20C just casually mention Perfect Dark?

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

What we want:


What we'll get:

HAHA! Perfect. Especially since it is rather likely.

 

[Boss Man]

From the source chat: rare making a water racing game

Man, it's been a while since I've played one of those. That would be awesome, assuming it isn't going to be one of those casual Kinect things.