speaking of which I wonder if some games will be over 1080P native for support of 2560 x 1440 monitors?
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VGLeaks Rumor: Durango Memory System Overview & Example
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speaking of which I wonder if some games will be over 1080P native for support of 2560 x 1440 monitors?
Games will get as complex and taxing as the lowest common denominator will allow them to be. This is a fact.
No need to worry whether future games will be able to run on xbox or not.
Insane Metal
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That is not true at all. There's no 'big gap in power'. From the looks of it, the 720 looks about 20 to 30% slower than the PS4, which in terms of multiplats would mean close to nothing. The real difference would only appear in exclusives imo.
dead monkey uk
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For you to say that I guess you must be a PC gamer, for someone like me who is coming from 360, PS3 the leap will be very impressive.
Eyefinity would be very nice.
XtremeXpider
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Both will have 8GB RAM, I don't think thar texture resolution will be an issue.
StreetDisciple
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Yes, there is an easy way by using the Bathmate Hercules Pump. I heard it can add 8GB with 3 months use
No, the higher frequencies to bring it closer to the 7850-class PS4
And the big 16GB number to impress the kids who tell their clueless parents what to buy.
The PS3 specs "seemed" more impressive yes, till developers discovered what a disappointment the RSX was. The Xbox has remained an impressively balanced console to this day - barring the limited eDRAM issue
Doubtful.
20-30% is conservative at this point. 33% more flops or double the ROP's, 6 more CU's (50% more), 3x the memory bandwidth etc. Be interesting to see what the final figures are, and how they translate in to actual gaming performance. Last I heard the PS4 might be getting a slight clock bump across the board as well.
XtremeXpider
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Well, we don't know if Microsoft will do something similar, with higher clocks for CPU and/or GPU.
And the "more flops" and "6 more CUs" are the same, 12CUs = 1.2TFlops, 18 CUs = 1.8TFlops. For 1080p, 16 ROPs are "enough" (according to eurogamer). I think 32 ROPS = better antialiasing than 16 ROPS.
BruiserBear
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The power gap is likely to be bigger than that. The 18 to 12 compute unit advantage is a big deal. 32 rops instead of 16 is a big deal. Faster memory is a nice advantage.
Those three things are going to offer a lot more easily accessible power. Third party developers could easily tap into that to tweak various settings higher, similar to how a PC gamer can alter settings in a game based on their setup.
It will be inexcusable if a multiplatform game runs worse on the PS4, and just pathetic if it only runs and looks the same as the Durango version.
Chuck Norris
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30% difference in power is nothing now?
Since anti-aliasing algorithms are run on the shaded fragments (passed on to the ROPs from the CUs) there's quite a large benefit in having 50% more of those. In effect, bandwidth permitting, it could allow for higher levels of MSAA at a, and once again i speculate based on my limited architecture knowledge, greatly reduced computational cost
Is this some sort of mantra...
Hence why I said 'or'. And naturally Durango could get a similar bump, just nothing has been rumoured yet is all. My point was, currently the differences in spec amount to more than a 20-30% difference (imo). I'm not sure how one could quantify the advantages of 8GB GDDR5 (176GB/s) over 8GB DDR3 (68GB/s) plus 32MB Esram (102GB/s) either.
Also, has anyone else bar Eurogamer elaborated on the benefits of more ROP's or 32 vs 16? People/Microsoft said the 360's Edram would be "sufficient" for free 4xAA at 720p as well, only in the end it wasn't.
Green Yoshi
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In the last years Microsoft focused a lot on the casual gamers (Kinect) and on entertainment apps (ESPN, Netflix), so perhaps they want to build rather a cheap console than a console for the hardcore gamers.
We should all club together and purchase a devkit of each console and then begin developing synthetic benchmarks that will run on both... i.e. never going to happen
XtremeXpider
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My guess is 1080p in both, but better antialiasing (and some advanced effects) in PS4, maybe 30FPS vs 60FPS.
Do you really think that MS want to lose the third party support?
Xenon
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That may have something to due with having the core gamers locked down, great third party support, and enough strong IP's to keep their base happy. Also MS may have moved resources to begin development for next gen much earlier than Sony.
Green Yoshi
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Perhaps they did underestimate Sony, a company in a financial crisis, and now it's too late for a strategy change.
Thuway, the parrot, already ate crow for his definite statements regarding the PS4 and was then summarily banned for avian cannibalism
true story
XtremeXpider
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Do you really think Durango BOM is based on the "financial status" of Sony?
inpHilltr8r
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PS3 doesn't have an audio processor, just some DAC's at the end of a buffer. All the processing is done on Cell, in software.
Microsoft isn't going to waste money on something that will provide no performance advantage just so fanboys who know nothing about how a computer works will have something to brag about.
Compared to what? PS4? The console will be fine and the games will be fantastic. If Microsoft is serious about these new studios and IP's you have nothing to worry about.
XtremeXpider
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Even with lower specs compared to PS4, Durango can receive multiplarform games. You're right, the console will be fine, especially for Microsoft.
digoutyoursoul
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Didn't a few "those who would know" on here claim both Sony and Microsoft have a couple of drop the bomb 3rd party exclusives each? I'm sure third parties played a role in development just like PS4.
I just can't see MS being way underpowered compared to PS4, perhaps a bit behind but not by a large margin. I wish they would hurry up and announce it, the rumours are stagnant.
I just can't see MS being way underpowered compared to PS4, perhaps a bit behind but not by a large margin. I wish they would hurry up and announce it, the rumours are stagnant.
Syphon Filter
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aren't they on par except different ram?
It won't be "wasting money" if it means people will buy the xbox instead of the PS4 because it has moar RAM.
I was just speculating how Microsoft can improve the specs this late in the game, compared against a technically superior competitor.
But again, I know nothing about DDR3 technology. Have DDR3-densities doubled as well recently? If not, it might be financially impossible to increase the RAM-size like Sony did.
digoutyoursoul
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I'm just reading some people's opinions as I don't follow or understand the hardware specifications much to be honest.
Rumoured XB3 GPU is technically inferior to PS4's but to put in perspective, both are in balance with the bandwidth of their respective system.
The only thing you got right was in saying the Durango has 32MB more RAM. (And dont forget, the next Xbox is rumoured to reserve 3GB for the OS, where as the PS4 is rumoured to reserve 0.5GB)
The bandwidth is not identical. You don't just add some bandwidth numbers together to say the totals are the same. The Durange bandwidth is absolutley less than the PS4.
The PS4 GPU *is* 50% more powerful than the rumoured Durango GPU. The Durango is 1.2TF. 50% of that is 0.6TF. 1.2TF (Xbox) + 0.6TF (50%) = 1.8TF (PS4).
I just have to smile...
GPU is substantially different on paper.
clutch.as.it.gets.
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Yep, MS´s GPU choice is just a big disappointment and shows they weren`t willing to spend to give us a great machine.
Syphon Filter
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whoa didn't know that,what about the cpu? also can you compare the gpu with pc graphics cards for each?
Meccanical
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Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
Goddamit!
XtremeXpider
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Is it legit? Is there a Link?
Please explain the joke, or else just answer my rather simple question: Can microsoft do the same thing with DDR3 as Sony did with GDDR5?
No. Not if they weren't planning for it.
Deuterium
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Of course it is not legit. It is pure speculation based on unofficial, uncofirmed "leaks" from anonymous "sources". Heck, the bloody existence of the Nextbox hasn't been officially confirmed, yet.
This takes nothing away from Sony's PS4, which is looking to be an bonafide gaming monster. But people are absolutely jumping the gun, in proclaiming which console is superior to the other, at this stage.
Actually:
PS4 GPU >7850 in terms of CU, TMU (iirc), added GPGPU functionality, GCN 1.x, TF (1.84 v 1.76). It loses out to 7850 in terms of triangle count set up 1.6B vs 1.72B/sec and core clock.
Rumoured XB3 GPU> 7770 in terms of CU (12 vs 10 which is some here suggest that it may be a detuned Pitcairn instead), added GPGPU functionality, triangle set up (same count as PS4's GPU). It loses out in terms of core clock, TF count (1.23 v 1.28 of 7770)
More importantly, they are both being optimised to be more flexible and much more efficient. It means both of them will perform better than their closest PC variant counterparts.
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