Well to me that's like the Wii supporting only one mote and your friends play with gamecube controllers. What's the point of having this great controller when only one player can enjoy its benefits at a time... To me that would be lame.
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Vigil in 2012: Wii U "has been on par with what we have with the current generation"
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Well to me that's like the Wii supporting only one mote and your friends play with gamecube controllers. What's the point of having this great controller when only one player can enjoy its benefits at a time... To me that would be lame.
CoffeeJanitor
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Besides the lighting, the reason the Zelda demo looks so good is because of the beautiful animation. No way they have anything that good for actual games.
Clairvoyance
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Nintendo haters.
OG_Original Gamer
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What does "has been on par" even mean? Isn't "par" subjective? Does this mean features, lighting, shader capabilities or polygon output and pixel fillrate. Is it a reference, concerning the entire package? Isn't DS2 being published by a company on its way out, they can't afford to atleast increase texture resolution.
BlueTsunami
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Nearly 900 replies about something that is been taken out of context; and the same development team has been saying the same since last year (take advantage of the controller, port the game and if there's time and resources up some other things).
And anyone that follows the "speculation thread" should know that the controllers takes a chunk of power, maybe the (small) team that Vigil working on this is doing multiple things with it (they've mentioned swapping items in the fly only so far which depending on what the screen shows,I guess); which results in technically games as good as current gen games.
*****
Another thing that some seem to forget is that: 1st gen Wii U games = 5-6th gen 360/PS3 games.
Remember the 360-launch with Gun and a few other games that technically looked like Xbox games at hi-res, with better textures? Things can only go up from here.
Yet, some act as if the Wii U is getting games that look like Xbox 360 launch games back in 2005.
And anyone that follows the "speculation thread" should know that the controllers takes a chunk of power, maybe the (small) team that Vigil working on this is doing multiple things with it (they've mentioned swapping items in the fly only so far which depending on what the screen shows,I guess); which results in technically games as good as current gen games.
*****
Another thing that some seem to forget is that: 1st gen Wii U games = 5-6th gen 360/PS3 games.
Remember the 360-launch with Gun and a few other games that technically looked like Xbox games at hi-res, with better textures? Things can only go up from here.
Yet, some act as if the Wii U is getting games that look like Xbox 360 launch games back in 2005.
Cerebral Assassin
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If MS & Sony have a similar philosophy to this gen, then that is likely ( I do like how you keep talking about things that don't have any information in the public domain, when all I have been referring to is the current gen), but given the recent quotes regarding Apple I would think one of them is dragging their feet.
Well, those were Xbox games...
Glorified G
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Please tell me how this was taken out of context? I've read it and it seems clear as day to me.
SwimmingwithChickenz
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Yes. At the very least, this statement from Vigil makes ign's rumor very questionable.
RurouniZel
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Me. I'm annoyed by it. I like new things that push the medium forward, and they don't have to involve raw processing power either.
MrNyarlathotep
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I don't understand how that can be claimed 'with even a vague recollection of every nintendo console released' unless people are actually oblivious to the historic state of the market in terms of graphical hardware that the NES, SNES, N64 and Gamecube were all - at the very least - competitive graphically released into.
Unless your point is as it literally reads, in which case NOBODY making a games console has ever competed exclusively in the graphics department.
Which is a sort of meaningless truism to apply when discussing videogames.
You might as well say nobody has ever competed exclusively on audio fidelity, or on the colour of their controllers.
I agree that Nintendo games are the strongest motivator to buy a nintendo console, but I don't see how the first statement is in any way a given.
Would you have told people looking for 'faithful multiplat ports' on a ps2 they were fooling themselves?
H_Prestige
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It means more or less the same, like ps3 and 360. On the slightly more side with wii u.
wandering goat
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Very disappointing if it can't even do this gen's games in 1080P. Doesn't bode well for being very friendly for multi-platform title like the 360 and PS3 were, which is something Nintendo could have focused on this time around. I haven't really kept up much with how console development is going now, but if current gen vs. last gen development still has a large difference in cost that many companies offset by putting titles across two platforms, I wonder if Wii U will still have a chance to have more third party titles than the Wii did. I would hope that downporting from PS4 / the next Xbox will be significantly easier than the same process from PS3/360 to Wii, though.
Nintendo.
brochiller
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Clairvoyance
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No, you trust the opinion of one source over many others because it fits your agenda.
It's Wii all over again.
A stop gap system that will mostly appeal because of 1st party Nintendo support.
If you're fine buying a console that is at the bottom of the pile of its generations systems because it has a Mario game, then good for you.
If you're a more discriminating consumer with standards who expects more than that then you'll pass on WiiU.
I've known since the e3 reveal I'd be passing. But I'm sure it will do well.
My biggest gripe though is people comparing it to 360 and PS3. It's not supposed to be a current gen system. It's supposed to be a next gen one. And even without hard specs on the 720 and PS4 it's safe to say this WiiU thing isn't in the same league.
A stop gap system that will mostly appeal because of 1st party Nintendo support.
If you're fine buying a console that is at the bottom of the pile of its generations systems because it has a Mario game, then good for you.
If you're a more discriminating consumer with standards who expects more than that then you'll pass on WiiU.
I've known since the e3 reveal I'd be passing. But I'm sure it will do well.
In Japan.
My biggest gripe though is people comparing it to 360 and PS3. It's not supposed to be a current gen system. It's supposed to be a next gen one. And even without hard specs on the 720 and PS4 it's safe to say this WiiU thing isn't in the same league.
H_Prestige
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And where are these other sources that contradict the one in the OP?
kingkaiser
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So, ehh Pachter was wrong again? You know, that statement about Nintendo "dreamcasting" themselves...well as far as i remember the Dreamcast was a great technical leap compared to the PSone and N64...
Yeah...because a developer's comment = "I just heard something from someone and it might be true fuck shit ass everything sucks".
In fairness kameo and project Gotham looked better than anything last gen. Even perfect dark zero had some decent moments and looked better than anything last gen.
Though I get your overall point.
Developer says "on part current gen" = "OMG Wii U is the same as Xbox 360, not powerful enough".
Read the rest of the post.
Here's a developer that has been working for years on Xbox 360/PS3 hardware, making a game that looks like Darksiders 2 in 2012, as a Wii U launch game... that looks like a 2012 game.
Now if they were making Darksiders 2 on Wii U in 2015 and it looked like now; yeah agree..but as a launch game "on par" is not the weakness many are making it out to be.
There's that and the "Rare touch"...
.....and those were games that were technically ported from Gamecube, to Xbox, to Xbox 360. Then compare that, to Viva Piñata and Banjo and there's a big difference in visual-quality too; is not like those 2 games looked like or worse than their launch games.
CoffeeJanitor
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Leakers in Wii U thread as well as quotes from Ubi and Epic
We'll see what's right. I personally still expect it to be midway between this gen and PS4 or whatever
How was it compared to the PS2, GameCube, and XBox though? You know, the actual generation of systems it was competing against.
Barack Lesnar
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There are no quotes from Ubi and Epic that say that.
I don't know, but its early games kicked the fuck out of all those three.
H_Prestige
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He said the "wii u hardware is on par with current gen", not the different game versions. It sounds like you're the one taking it out of context.
CoffeeJanitor
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Comb through the thread and you'll see them
Cerebral Assassin
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Vigils Technical Director has been quoted as saying the Wii U is "more powerful than Current gen", Epic have said "beyond current gen" & I believe Gearbox claimed that Aliens will be higher res on Wii U.
brochiller
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Lol Nintendo fans have no standards. :-/
Ninja Scooter
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So much salt in this thread. Were people really expecting the WiiU to be closer to PS4/Durango than the previous gen? You guys are setting yourselves up for disappointment.
jump_button
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out of context yeah it is
The difference between PS2 and Dreamcast is about the same as the GameCube - PS2 one.
Ninja Scooter
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Something can be more powerful and more advanced but still be on par. They don't' necessarily contradict each other. It's very possible WiiU will be more advanced than current gen hardware, but still far behind PS4 and Xbox720.
H_Prestige
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None of those statements contradict the OP. There have been plenty of developers on record saying the ps3 is stronger than the 360, and vice versa. Who's going to argue the two systems aren't on par, besides the most deluded fanboys?
TheLastCandle
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This thread sucks.
What different game versions?
I'm talking about how some took "on part with current gen" as if it's the same or worse than 2005-Xbox 360 launch.
Any "big" difference in hardware, won't be known until a few years, when we compare games made for it and games fully made for it.
With 1st gen hardware and early dev kits, they've technically admitted to been able to port Darkiders 2 "as is" with extra controls. If in 2-3 years they're not able to do much more than that, that's another thing.
I´m just saying people are overreacting.
Barack Lesnar
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You don't seem to understand. Epic and Ubi quotes state it's more powerful, but they don't contradict the OP like you alluded to. The question about it being more powerful than current gen isn't what we're arguing about.
This
Oh OK, let's pretend that a developer who works on a Wii U game, actually knows less than Nintendo fans.
jump_button
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oh you know how the what inside Wii U and nextbox and PS4 do you lol
new to neogaf? really they alot of other saying its not just PS360
It's pretty presumptuous of you to call people who buy this impartial (With the implication of being"bad") consumers. As someone who is looking forward to the WiiU, regardless of graphical limitations, I hope to aspire to your high minded, proper consumer standards.
A source which has access to actual hardware. Which is worth more than a fanboy's opinions.
At what point in time does "on par" start becoming "more powerful"? The PSVITA is "on par" with the PS3 yet the PS3 is most definitely stronger than the PSVITA