"best" is subjective. And I say that as someone who is an owner of said gaming setup.
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Vigil in 2012: Wii U "has been on par with what we have with the current generation"
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"best" is subjective. And I say that as someone who is an owner of said gaming setup.
KingJ2002
Member
hmmm... to be honest.
this doesn't bother me... this gen's still has games which are jaw dropping and if the Wii U can deliver this all while providing a one of a kind experience... im sold.
then again... i really look forward to Nintendo's games... and playing a HD Zelda or Mario title... it's a must have for me.
Thunder Monkey
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Thunder Monkey
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haven't people been bitching about the performance limits of 360/ps3 since crysis came out? i'm fine with ps3/360 level graphics, but i get annoyed by the amount of games that come out these days with poor framerate and sub-res.
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
Member
Those are basically my thoughts on this generation exactly. Games from Rockstar and titles based on UE on my PS3 leave a lot to be desired to be honest
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
it's a slow burn - the X360 is 6 years old , there's a level of generation fatigue for people who jumped in on day one. It's not like the games on current of past gen suddenly become obsolete there's just a new rush of excitement that comes with a new platform.
For multiplatform gamers there's the excitement of having HD Nintendo games at last, but the -tech up- excitement for those people is going to be far less than Nintendo only players going from Wii to Wii U.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Not yet, but I can tell he's getting nervous. Got him on the ropes!
phosphor112
Banned
I don't mind Sony's controller staying the same because I still believe symmetry allows for more flexibility. Also, while it might not be "what's under the hood" that only counts, but Sony has consistently pushed more and more of their 1st party to do things outside the box. I don't even see Nintendo do that anymore.
Pretty much... the leap from SD to HD is huge, but from HD to better HD... diminishing returns
REMEMBER CITADEL
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Eh, I find it all interesting, but I've never been either a Nintendo fan or a Nintendo hater so I'm not invested in this. I couldn't care less about what Nintendo does next or how they do, I'm fine either way.
He's still treating his foot.
"but visually it will be pretty much the same"
"so far the hardware has been on par with what we have on current generations"
"based on what I understand.. the resolution, poly-counts and all that stuff were not going to be doing anything to up res the game"
So those are pretty much exact quotes. The last quote implays there is extra power but they arnt going to use it. The 2nd one is the opposite. Uh.. I think i might just skip the Wii U, unless proven otherwise.
"so far the hardware has been on par with what we have on current generations"
"based on what I understand.. the resolution, poly-counts and all that stuff were not going to be doing anything to up res the game"
So those are pretty much exact quotes. The last quote implays there is extra power but they arnt going to use it. The 2nd one is the opposite. Uh.. I think i might just skip the Wii U, unless proven otherwise.
shh don't disturb the circular logic of the Wii U being a 360+ being "shit" yet the 360/PS3 are fine right now, even though people have no idea if MS or Sony are actually going to make a huge leap forward or try to execute a Wii strategy where they go for 1.5x.
There's also the fact that first party Wii U games will not be held back by the 360's small DVD. Third party developers will have two platforms now (PS3 and Wii U) with Blu-ray sized discs, which means they can start justifying using the space on those two platforms since they'll now get more bang for the buck. So don't be surprised if you see the PS3 benefit from the Wii U's existence.
So many third party games right now are essentially held back by the 360's small DVD.
Well, according to the "industry insider" in the WiiU thread, Microsoft is going all-out on hardware.
The next gen is shaping up to be quite interesting. I'm looking forward to E3.
I'll believe it when I see it. As it stands though, the only next console we've seen running is the Wii U. And it looked great.
Foliorum Viridum
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It's not "all of a sudden", for the last two years people have been saying it's time for an update and the longer it's stretched out the more vocal people get.
And to answer your question, a PC
Not surprised. The small case makes it obvious that there's no powerhouse hiding inside.
Right now I'm playing PC. As for the consoles, It's not 'all of a sudden', people have been calling out for a refresh for months now. This is a next-gen console we're talking about, it will still be 'on the shelves' in 2017.
Right now I'm playing PC. As for the consoles, It's not 'all of a sudden', people have been calling out for a refresh for months now. This is a next-gen console we're talking about, it will still be 'on the shelves' in 2017.
No, it was fine for current-gen, but when talking NEXT-GEN it's not quite as exciting anymore.
michaelius
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I wouldn't mind past gen hardware in Nintendo systems if they weren't priced like a current gen machines.
Wii selling for 250 euros when Xbox arcade was cheaper and PS3 costed 300 was sad joke.
Wii selling for 250 euros when Xbox arcade was cheaper and PS3 costed 300 was sad joke.
Thrillhouse
Member
No it can't. Stuff rendered in maxwell-render isn't even close to photorealistic and that render is to demanding to use even in movies. How the hell could a game engine achieve that?
This should at least get better with next -gen considering these can be achieved almost for free (memory-wise) now. At least I should hope so.
Tell me about it. I played Fragile on Wii for the first time this year and that game looks sublime. Art direction really is king when it comes to making games look good.
360 and PS3 are aged hardware.
They're still fine for now, they won't be fine for another 5-6 years.
That was always the case with every generation before this, and it's not going to change now.
ahah what planet was that on???Not here in Portugal i assure you....ps3 games cost 69....cant wait for ps4/720 game prices....
Kelegacy
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If I'm investing money in a console, I sure hope it's more powerful than what I have now. Otherwise, the Wii U will have the worst looking third party games next generation. At least it's better than making watered down specially designed ports that the Wii got (Call of Duty, Madden, etc).
Yes, it will still have Nintendo 1st party games, and those in HD, even by current gen standards, will be wonderful. But the system will then be starved for content in between these releases, so it will once again be a supplemental system, like the Wii is to a PS3 or 360 this gen.
I'd like to see a Nintendo console be possible as a sole system, but it hasn't been that way since...well, SNES maybe? The Genesis was great but you could game on an SNES only and be content.
Yes, it will still have Nintendo 1st party games, and those in HD, even by current gen standards, will be wonderful. But the system will then be starved for content in between these releases, so it will once again be a supplemental system, like the Wii is to a PS3 or 360 this gen.
I'd like to see a Nintendo console be possible as a sole system, but it hasn't been that way since...well, SNES maybe? The Genesis was great but you could game on an SNES only and be content.
Thunder Monkey
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I'm right there with you.
I will admit that Wii tech did hinder the games somewhat.
Looking at Dolphin shots shows how much just a higher resolution and AA can do for that era of games.
Always-honest
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yeah Anti Aliassing needs to improve. A LOT.
I sincerely doubt Nintendo even knows that there are things we call jaggies (since they don't seem to bother them in any way). So my hopes on them tackling this issue are low.
Night_Trekker
Member
*golf clap*
Let me guess...., is this a case of "Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?" because it sure sounds that way.
Personally I'm thinking that the thread for the WiiU port of Arkham City is going to be the highlight of this year's E3 here on GAF.
I think that's were most people are going to be making their 'last stand' and/or having total break downs when it's finally shown off.
You heard it here first folks.
The WiiU Arkham City thread is going to be a classic.
All of a sudden? It's 6-7 year old hardware! And diminishing returns just because it's slightly more HD? You can't seriously tell me BF3 maxed on PC is only slightly better looking than 360, or that Samaritan only looks a bit better than what we have now.
That's great and all, but perhaps some people just don't post in PC gaming threads much?
I mean, I have a nice gaming rig that slaps both the 'HD' consoles around but I can't think of a PC-specific thread that I've posted in outside of the Steam topic.
Edit: Except The Witcher 2. And the racing sims topic.
I prefer to judge the possibility of a console basing my idea on a game developed exclusively and from ground zero for that console, not on a late port :\
That's exactly the reason that game's thread is going to be a classic. Of course the saner/calmer heads will point out that it's launch window game (I assume) and as such shouldn't be taken as representative of the system's performance.
Of course they will be in the minority and the thread will be awash with comparisons of the PC, PS360 and WiiU versions.
dragonfart28
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I strongly disagree with the niche sentiment of technological advancement.
I mean, this is neogaf, but people are way too douchey about wanting to move forward. I'll be quite happy with what I've got for at least another few years and if Wii U is a little better than the current gen at a decent cost, I'll definitely go for it once I'm convinced of the control benefits.
I mean, this is neogaf, but people are way too douchey about wanting to move forward. I'll be quite happy with what I've got for at least another few years and if Wii U is a little better than the current gen at a decent cost, I'll definitely go for it once I'm convinced of the control benefits.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
Um - it's a port of an old game already released on other platforms , what else is going to happen?
.... i don't know if this is serious or not but.... really???
UberTag
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Nintendo isn't exactly suffering financially with this "supplemental system" approach now, are they? Sure, the last time it could qualify as a one-stop shop for everything great in gaming was the SNES days but why should we expect them to WANT to be that again?
Even during the Gamecube era where they could rightfully claim to offer the best looking/exclusive third-party versions of a number of Japanese-developed titles (i.e. RE4), they were still for all intents and purposes considered to be a "supplemental system".
Nintendo could release an "on par with PS3/X360" HD console for an affordable price that will be outclassed in 1-2 years and rendered obsolete as a third-party alternative and it won't even matter. Why? Because they'll have a sick install base. They'll have their AAA first-party Nintendo titles in HD. They'll have a small handful of "best version" Japanese exclusives during the two years the playing field was levelled. And they'll have offered an affordable system upgrade path for current Wii/X360 owners... for a profit.
Nintendo is never going to be Sony. And given the financial state of both companies we shouldn't hold them to that standard.
Some people with misplaced expectations are going to expect Arkham City to be something more than a competent port with a co-op/tablet gimmick.
Night_Trekker
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Word
I bought Shadowman for my N64 just a few weeks ago
Dreamcast version is the definitive console version in my experience. Some strange (but minor) changes were made in the N64 port.
Either you've missed the point of the post I quoted or you're being facetious.
Twenty7KVN
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What i get from those quotes are.The dev kits we have are on par with the current gen systems.We know that the final hardware is going to be more powerful,and when we get those more powerful kits in we aren't or maybe won't have the time to make the game prettier.
The former, I reckon. I must have missed the point.
Night_Trekker
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Well, it was taken out of context.
MrNyarlathotep was saying it's absurd to be hung up on console specs to the point that you can't enjoy games on less powerful hardware. Console specs are obsolete a few years after they're released, so why aren't people like Juice gaming exclusively on PCs if they must have the best at minimum? Why touch consoles at all? Why be happy with handhelds when they're always going to be delivering sub-console experiences? Etc. All of which proves it's a matter of perception, not of higher, uncompromising standards.
Some gamers love games. Other love to be dazzled first and foremost, and if they can't be dazzled, they won't play. Different strokes and all that, but that's a little silly.
I'm glad I don't have those kinds of hang-ups. Sounds like a real burden.