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Visual Downgrade In Next-Gen Tech Demos Going From PC To Consoles?
- Thread starter Poetic.Injustice
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Wow! That 3D effect!
The Janitor
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Damn, when people talk about these framerate dips I thought they meant occasionally, but in those videos the framerate is in the twenties almost all the time, except for indoor areas.
New consoles are needed badly xD
Stallion Free
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And that makes sense how? The game isn't technically coming to PC at the moment so why would they downgrade it on PC hardware?
CassidyIzABeast
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Cinematic framerate. The feel of Hollywood.
why? as evidenced by their supersampled bullshots, sony have been more than content with pushing undeliverable visions of their games. this is a climate where they are fighting tooth and nail for any grain of positive publicity, a climate in which there are huge gains to be made by curbing a few truths and very few repercussions.
given the stakes, it's not hard to start factoring in logic like "this GTX 680 is just here to emulate the optimisations which will be made before the game ships".
What are you talking about. TLOU is objectively the best looking game with the most awesome everything and extra awesome sauce on everything looking awesome game of all time beastly naughty dog PCs got nothing on this I tell you this is why you should get a console and not play WASD lololol
But really though, choppy framerate and bad IQ aside, it's a very decent game.
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SniperHunter
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iamshadowlark
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It makes perfect sense. There should no doubt that the Panta Rhei engine has a PC target. That is probably just the lowest spec PC it will run on. Its irreleveant either way, this still corroborate that the PSMeeting demo was realtime on PS4
Ugh, this post reeks of hyperbole. Bullshots are released for virtually every game that comes out, be it PC or Console. Also your last sentence doesnt make a lick of sense. You seem to be trying too hard..
Poetic.Injustice
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Bullshots for PC are not really bullshots.
Forsete
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They can be. Up everyzing to ULTRA and get 5fps just to take pics. Pretty bullshotty IMO.
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I am struggling to follow your logic.
SniperHunter
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sony has not.been.using 7970 to pu
sh their games. we heard that from the ms camp not sony. sony used weaker kits and gradually moved to ps4 specs, with final dev kits shipping in summer
sh their games. we heard that from the ms camp not sony. sony used weaker kits and gradually moved to ps4 specs, with final dev kits shipping in summer
They can be. Up everyzing to ULTRA and get 5fps just to take pics. Pretty bullshotty IMO.
Not really, cause you can always upgrade to reach that level with acceptable frame rates! Something consoles can't keep up with
One of the 5 games of the generation for sure. Very decent indeed!
But i forgot we cannot enjoy our games on consoles because of that "hollywood" framerate and PS2-IQ... Please please please.
And yes, this type of game should be the reason to own a console. It's masterpiece worthy.
Even if there is plenty of games on PC that are as good (or almost)!
Back on topic folks, Next Gen Tech demos are Tech demos, and for the record, they are always pretty unachievable in gameplay, but devs always manage to "kinda" surpass them later in the cycle, with a combination of art, new engines and new rendering techniques: see KZ2, Uncharted2 or God of War3 (and MLAA).
Poetic.Injustice
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They can be. Up everyzing to ULTRA and get 5fps just to take pics. Pretty bullshotty IMO.
Yes, But years down the line you could run it at that resolution. You could call it a bullshot of the time.
Joke post right? Joke post.They don't need to do so because they are planning on passing regular cpu tasks to gpu compute. Like i have said several times, the people who design these consoles are very brilliant and know what they are doing. I will go with their judgement over yours. Go troll somewhere else
iamshadowlark
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In what sense? You mean the PC gamers that turn every slider to max and apply all the insane mods to get single digit frame rates don't provide bullshots when they load a FRAPS screendump?
Then I'm sorry. If you can't understand that a multiplatform engine would have a PC version, you're beyond my help.
joke post.
That was an example of me not reading properly. Edited the post already.
i'm quite aware of that, i realized that after hitting the submit button. edited it.
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No, I don't understand how this corrobates that the PS meeting showed it on an actual PS4.
i'm glad to see you can channel your proprietary indignation into a complete separate argument and lose none of the fervour.
You're a very classy user I must say (unlike myself
). But I'm not sure you're ever supposed to admit you're wrong on a message board. 
Those videos of TLOU... pretty bad. Maybe they'll release a PS4 port running at 60fps? Would be cool.
Capcom said it was. The PS4 demo at the meeting used 2Gb of RAM for textures while the test setups that use 570s can only utilize it's 1.2Gb of RAM.
iamshadowlark
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"The Deep Down demo ran in real time at the PS4 presentation and displayed between 10 and 20 million polygons per frame. It had a variable frame rate above 30 frames per second and a total texture capacity of 2 GB. It ran 30 different shaders at the same time."
Which part is hard to understand?
SniperHunter
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at the end of the day both consoles will run the games on low to medium settings at 1080p, while pc gamers with high end gpu's will be able to play games on high to ultra at 1080p and beyond
this is still a massive improvement though. i remember how weak the ps2 was and it couldnt even run battlefield 1942 (one of the best games ever made), it missed out on a lot of great xbox and pc ports
this is still a massive improvement though. i remember how weak the ps2 was and it couldnt even run battlefield 1942 (one of the best games ever made), it missed out on a lot of great xbox and pc ports
I don't think it'll be limited to low and medium, at least not for the first couple years on PS4. I don't think it'll be Ultra everything either. Some combination of medium and high.
But, if there was for some reason a PC version of TLOU, it would be one of the best looking games ever. It's amazing what they were able to do on PS3.
What is Low, Medium, High and Ultra? Define that, please.
Why would i lose any of it? I'm really getting tired of these "experts" who make assertions without any knowledge of what they are talking about. You always have to pick the right tool for the Job and console manufacturers know that trying to join in the power game would make costs to expensive for quick adoption so they do the smart thing and change the game. They cannot beat PC's in power but they can change the rules of the game to make them more competitive. You do not play to your opponent's strengths and this is what AMD realized. This is why we see an organizational shift of focus to APU's at AMD. Change the rules of the game to make yourself competitive.
Can Crusher
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Your average PC of today won't be able to perform as the PS4. And since games won't be designed specifically for high end PCs, it doesn't really matter if the PS4 is theoretically half as powerful.
It's like when Crysis was used as the game that showed PC graphics... It came 1 or 2 years after Xbox 360 launched, and was used as the poster boy for years. Why? Because really there was no other game that showed why PCs were way more powerful.
What's the point in spending twice or even three times the money on more power, when only one or two games in the next few years will ever make that power shine?
Better AA? Better settings? I get it, if I had the money I would too. But it's simply a terrible value proposition, no matter the amount of times people post that they have more powerful PC's. And the big budget 1st party exclusives will be non existent on PC.
It's like when Crysis was used as the game that showed PC graphics... It came 1 or 2 years after Xbox 360 launched, and was used as the poster boy for years. Why? Because really there was no other game that showed why PCs were way more powerful.
What's the point in spending twice or even three times the money on more power, when only one or two games in the next few years will ever make that power shine?
Better AA? Better settings? I get it, if I had the money I would too. But it's simply a terrible value proposition, no matter the amount of times people post that they have more powerful PC's. And the big budget 1st party exclusives will be non existent on PC.
SniperHunter
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well i cant go into details since i am typing on my phone....but things like level of detail (cpu intensive), shader quality, shadow quality, texture quality on both should be ultra
etci think the pics the op used are all misleading. not a single game at e3 used ue4 and the first ue4 game will be relesed in 2014 according to epic, that deep down trailer looked like bad cg...with watch dogs we should wait for final ver which isnt far away
we should wait for a proper reveal for all engies and titles
JonathanPower
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The Planetside 2 developer already said the PS4 version will look like the PC version maxed out.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=586486
Dictator93
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Opponent? Which opponent? PC? AMD MAKING THE APU TO DIRECTLY COMPETE WITH THE PC? With intel?!
What nonsense is that?
the apu was chosen because it was cheap and power efficient for the performance the companies were going for. Also... because it was CHEAP. Not because it has some programmatical magic carpet or something.
What do you mean by average PC? Why average? (which would by numbers be some sort of centrino machine in a public library) and not mid tier 2013 built pc?
I was more referring to games coming down the line once the gen gets going. I'm also skeptical that it'll be every setting on Ultra. Looking forward to it though.
SniperHunter
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i am very skeptical of this claim. they didnt even show the game during soe live (they promised they would show it during e3)
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So because they *can* run it on a 570, the stage demo had to be a legit PS4?
SapientWolf
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The value proposition is completely subjective. As the topic of the thread points out, visual compromises are being made even on next gen consoles, and the people who find those compromises to be undesirable will either have to deal with it or shell out for better hardware. Some people feel that the benefits of the more powerful hardware justify the cost. Others don't. To each his own.
I'm referring to AMD vs Nvidia. Competing against nvidias strengths makes no sense for them so they have switched to apus. Apu's are only cheap now because we have only seen low end apu's. There are benefits that the apu design has over the traditional pc setup. Apu's are only cheap now because of the type of parts that are used to make them. i'm predicting that amd will attempt to fully switch to apu's in the traditional pc market. The ps4 apu might not seem powerful to you but if amd do what i think they are going to try to do, there will be a change in the pc market.
@your can crusher reply:
an average pc today isn't one built in 2013 but one built probably in 2010 or 2011. People do not upgrade that quickly, pc gamers in western countries might but that is not true for the world. I currently work with someone who is still rocking a gtx 260 here in canada.
Creative interpretation of "running in real time", "running in-engine" used every single generation.
SniperHunter
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we will find out next month during tgs. i think it was a target render...the animations were too good to be gameplay
They said they're still working on multithread optimization and it's not quite ready to show yet.
SniperHunter
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ok this is great news evwn for the pc gamers!
the hell are you talking about? AMD are about to release the 9xxx series which is rumoured to have a single-chip flagship faster than titan.
iamshadowlark
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The fact that it runs on a 570 is irrelevant and is probably what's confusing you. The first poster clearly understood the interview incorrectly an was corrected. The operative words you should key in on are the ones where they explicitly state that the psmeeting demo ran on ps4 hardware.
No. They outlined the differences in their internal builds that run on 570 based systems with with the version they said showed in February running in real time on PS4.
IncandescentPrecept
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As evidenced by footage of KZ:SF and InFamous:SS.