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Vita a virtual no show at Sony conference
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UberTag
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The Dreamcast and the Vita are the two greatest gaming systems that nobody bought.
Revered and adored by anyone who purchased them yet sentenced to die at the hands of their makers.
At least the Dreamcast was succeeded by the PS2 and an incredible lineup which helped lessen the sting a little.
The Vita has instead been forsaken for cheap, novelty tablet games that aren't superior in any way, shape or form.
I am proud to say that I was not only a fervent Dreamcast and Vita supporter... but one that actually purchased both systems TWICE.
Revered and adored by anyone who purchased them yet sentenced to die at the hands of their makers.
At least the Dreamcast was succeeded by the PS2 and an incredible lineup which helped lessen the sting a little.
The Vita has instead been forsaken for cheap, novelty tablet games that aren't superior in any way, shape or form.
I am proud to say that I was not only a fervent Dreamcast and Vita supporter... but one that actually purchased both systems TWICE.
Saucycarpdog
Member
#TerminallyFucked
Hell, I'll even settle for couple more HD Classics ports. FF12, Rogue Galaxy, DMC Trilogy, RE HD Collection, Prince of Persia, GTA iOS ports (with buttons!), Yakuza, Okami, Onimusha, Timesplitters, SSX...
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Terminally fucked it is.
Oh we realize. We just don't like it.
Tidus_Great
Banned
vita is just basically a "port"able if you catch my drift. just be satisfied that we can play FFX and Persona 4 on the go. that alone is god tier.
Hours Left
Member
Who is we?
sindbadthesailor
Member
Yes, this fits.
I guess it's people who want AAA first party vita/ console only exclusives.
I for one welcome the Binding of Isaacs, Rogue Legacies, and Hotline Miamis.
SneakyStephan
Banned
I'm not doing much revering
I like the OS and the dpad and analog sticks and the screen, but the triggers are terrible and so is the account system.
Games cost way too fucking much and there's few great games.
Still waiting for hotshots tennis, something like patapon, puzzle quest, a good rpg (not just ports of ten year old games) and proper support for psx games.
Speaking of psx games, the ones that do work run at 50 hz mode either stretched or with black bars and without any of the features you'd expect from any random android emulator. (shameful)
The less said about the memory cards and how it deletes your saves if you delete the game the better.
Dreamcast had an awesome lineup, my vita is a dust collector
NeoGarrison
Banned
What a complete and utter disgrace. It's truly a shame this is happening. I mean we all can understand why the dreamcast thing happened since Sega in general went under but there is literally no excuse for Sony's abandonment of the PS VIta.
They literally have just left the thing to die and turned their backs on the people who backed them up with their money expecting Sony to actually put some effort into this thing. Now they are just riding high on the Ps4 wave and forgot about us.
What happened to all that for the players talk? Jesus
They literally have just left the thing to die and turned their backs on the people who backed them up with their money expecting Sony to actually put some effort into this thing. Now they are just riding high on the Ps4 wave and forgot about us.
What happened to all that for the players talk? Jesus
In terms of tech specs that's Shield, not Vita.
Hours Left
Member
Yeah. I feel bad for people thinking that Sony is gonna suddenly produce a heap of "AAA" first party exclusives. That's probably not gonna happen anytime soon, and if it does, it'll be the exception not the rule.
The Vita has found it's niche. And that niche is niche. Indies and Japanese cult content, that's the future of the system. Could Sony turn it toward something else if they really tried? Maybe, but they don't seem interested in doing so. I'm quite happy with the content the Vita is getting, and I hope to see it continue in that direction. Would I like to see Sony actually show it some support? Of course, but I think the system is gonna retain it's black sheep status for the foreseeable future. As long as we're still getting good games, then I can live with that.
flatearthpandas
Member
They're still available on GameStop.
People clearly upset by the Vita's software slate. Which seeing as how these threads are always filled with people unhappy with that, it must not be a small crowd.
For a system to basically be focused on one small niche audience seems like a pretty big failure to me. Plenty of other systems seemed to be able to offer things for many audiences. I didn't have to be some sort of otaku who likes otaku pandering Japanese games in order to enjoy the PS3 or PSP. Yet that seems to be the statement regarding this system, it's just for people who like Japanese games. Which I find hilariously false as I like Japanese games and sure don't find anything appealing about the things NIS or Idea Factory make which sure seem to make up most of the system. So it seems even more niche then simply liking Japanese game, no it's you have to like otaku type games and at that point it's pretty pathetic. I'm happy you like those games and the system provides them, but I guess anyone who is'nt into that narrow audience is shit out of luck.
UberTag
Member
True. But at least there will be some extensive Vita presence at TGS from all of the Japanese developers NOT named Sony that continue to support the system.
Aeriscloud
Banned
I'd say those were the Duo and Saturn. Dreamcast and Vita are both great and deserved better though.
Yeah ps3 supports are good still
PS4, is that on mobage?
NeoGarrison
Banned
Dude you hit it right out of the park, right on.
Case in point I actually love indie games, love them to death and I will still keep and use my vita since the investment was already made. But when I bought the thing I bought the vita to play much more than that, I didn't buy the thing thinking: this is going to be my portable indie games machine.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Asking people why they are bothered by a console they have invested to and like/love being called dead is such a weird thing to ask.
Just because it is true doesn't mean people can't feel sorry/sad about it.
Hours Left
Member
Considering I'm a gay man, I don't really get a lot of "otaku pandering" games marketed towards me. (Read: Almost zero.) The only one I like is Akiba's Trip, because it actually has some beefcake in it, and because it's silly and fun.
I have zero interest in any of the boobfests or highschool harem games, and I've still got a lot of titles I'm looking forward to. There are tons of awesome games for the system, just because they're not by major publishers, or have the pedigree of a longstanding IP/developer, doesn't mean they're not worthwhile. You just got to work a bit harder to find them.
I'm not defending Sony's treatment of the system, I think it totally sucks for the most part, but that doesn't mean I think the system itself is doomed, or lives in a desolate wasteland. They're lots of content out there, and lots more on the way. People need to open up their minds a bit.
They just put up pre-orders for the 25th at gamestop.
you wish
Agent X
Member
They didn't take away anything. Tearaway for Vita still exists. It's not as though all copies of the game would suddenly cease to function.
Father_Brain
Banned
I get being disappointed, but come on. The excuse would be that the games they put out (and the two "big" Western third-party games they moneyhatted) thoroughly failed to move hardware, and they had a new platform on which they could spend the same resources and be almost assured of a much higher ROI.
They're a corporation, and not one in an ideal financial position at the moment. They can't afford to risk throwing tens, let alone hundreds, of millions of dollars down the hole in an attempt to "save" a platform with no apparent market outside a small niche, let alone just to make Vita owners more favorably inclined towards Sony.
nintendo does this
sturgboski
Member
Honestly, I get that but there are still things that Sony could do to support it.
Conservative Budgeted Titles:
I dont know what the budget of Uncharted, Killzone, Littlebigplanet, Unit 13, etc was. But maybe Sony can put out games for a lower budget on the Vita (lets say a max of $5m). I mean they have Freedom Wars that had an expected LTD of 200k and I believe they are selling the game at $30. All in all, that means they expected to make roughly $4.2m LTD (using the 70/30 digital split because its easier). Going out on a ledge, I assume that would mean the budget would have to be south of $3m. Why not create more titles at a similar budget level, even better if they have Western and Eastern appeal. This way you are showing at least some token game support to the fans and 3rd parties.
Captive Audience:
So today the Vita saw the launch of Disgea 4.5, Phantom Breaker, Hohokum, Gravity Crash, Akiba's Trip and a Singing Monsters (f2p). Outside of Hohokum, I cant recall any of the other titles being mentioned even this week on the Playstation Blog. Next week Sword Art Online launches and today came the announcement that the huge patch that came in Japan that added 30+ hours of content is officially coming to the West this September. Nothing on that either. Lets take it a step forward: you have "What's New" on the PS4 that shows 3 advertisements for PS4 titles. Why not turn one of those ads into a dedicated Vita ad? Or hell, update the "What's New" section to accommodate a 4th ad dedicated to the Vita?
There are more ways as well. I mean if we want to argue on the costs of game development, then I can begrudgingly concede on that one. But really, what is the out of pocket cost to just acknowledge the Vita and its releases on the Playstation Blog and the "What's New" section on the PS4?
Nintendo was a virtual no show at Gamescom too. At least in terms of anything new.
OverdriveOtaku
Member
That's what's upsetting me most about it. Just talking about it is something, and Sony isn't even doing that. Minecraft is coming and there's still silence, that's just insane to me.
sörine;125130503 said:
This is true. However, Nintendo did not have a conference or a direct. From my understanding they didn't have any major announcements last year either.
Sony on the other hand, had a conference and a past history of major announcements for Vita at Gamescom e.g. Borderlands 2 and Vita price drop.
Also after a lackluster E3 (for the Vita), vita owners were hoping for more substantial news.
When that failed to materialize, it's natural that people are going to be disappointed.
DR2K
Banned
Vita needs a rebranding, more big games, advertising, consumer friendly pricing, etc. . . it's only got a niche because that's what Sony has put into it. If there was ever any effort on Sony's part to make it a big success I must have sneezed and missed it.
There's a report saying they're done shipping units to the west? I know the consoles retail presense is lacking to say the least but I'd like to see this report. LINK?
At this point....does it even matter?
It is PAINFULLY clear Sony gives two shits about the platform and are just riding out whatever games they had left in production for the platform until they have none left, leaving JP studios and Indies to fill up the void X(.
What stings even more? Tearaway, a masterpiece that showed the world what the Vita can do....is now on PS4 too, and its expanded-remaster is NOT coming to Vita, even though it was more then possible. That was the sign to me that Sony is done with the platform and is just supporting it because they have to.
But, I won't let that ruin what was otherwise an amazing show for the PS4. Almost all the games shown off look amazing and are doing compelelty unique things from one another (not to mention a few of them are coming to Vita too
The Vita may more or less be dead in Sony's eye.....but it is far, far from dead for us. Many games are still coming from Indie studios and JP, alongside Sony throwing out what they have left to put out for the device. Not to mention PS+ giving 'free' games every month and the large BC support with PSP and PS1 games ensuring there will always be something to play on the system.
I had very low exceptions and just stopped caring :l. I love my Vita, so that is what matters most
I've never once regretted my purchase. Alot of AAA games were a disappointment last gen. It was the indies that gave a refreshing experience to gaming. I'm not sore about Vita losing first party support anyway. I look at PlayStation All-Star and see how bad that turned out; I look at Twisted Metal (PS3) and see how Sony sent it out to basically die. I'd much rather have a few quality indie/small developer/JRPG Vita games come out during the year than have two or more big budget vita games with a lack luster experience.
LOL
That's what I'm saying. Bin waiting for the Velocity 2x especially. Also, you forgot Skull Girls
True. very true. Exclusive are suppose the be the incentive to purchase and continually use the console. However Sony's washed its hand of first party development. They feel the console just isn't worth saving anymore. It just doesn't make financial sense this late in the game. It is what it is. Just ride it out with whatever games peek your interest.
At this point the console just isn't for everyone. It's bloomed into a JRPG/Indie machine. Some are content with that and others aren't. If there are some games you specifically wanted to try on Vita then get the console, second thoughts/regrets be damned. If you can find a deal for one on Ebay, Amazon, local game shops, Kijiji, Craigs List, etc then do that. Don't know where you are in the world. If your in Canada, we have a deal/discussions thread for gaming. I'm sure there's a Euro counter part as well. Americans usually have threads dedicated to specific deals, don't ask me why.
People were expecting something to keep them interested. Not surprised at how things turned out though. I'm not waiting for TGS, PAX, GamesCom, E3, or whatever else. The console has games I'm already interested in. The console already has games coming that I want to play.
I'm with you on this.
Smaller budget first party titles would be nice but Sony's already cut that first part support. Third parties hardly touch the thing. I'd like to see smaller devs take this approach if possible or if they already haven't. Hell, even the big publishers have small dev team taking this approach would be nice. Would Child Of Light be a good example of this model done right?
Lack of advertisement/marketing for Vita content has definitely been an ongoing issue. The support just isn't there in comparison to the PS3 and PS4. It's all rather unfortunate. The console is now regulated to being an expensive accessory for the PS4.
Still love mine all the same though. Was considering turning it into an emulator for stuff. Still want to play Type-0 on it. I have no problem playing my games legit but some games just aren't ever going to to come to the console, whether Vita can run them or not.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Was hoping for some Vita TV news.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
That's an unfavorable comparison.
Sony didn't announce any new Vita games, just like they didn't announce any new PS2 games. That's more fitting.
Leafhopper
Banned
TGS is for Vita dummy, what were you expecting, wait for TGS.
I don't know if I can pull of the diehard Vita fan correctly
The problem is they dropped support and marketing the moment it launched. You can try to blame the portable market but Sony has screwed up twice now with marketing handhelds.
If not TGS then VGA for sure.
LouisaFerre
Member
It's been obvious for a while now that a AAA/Home console experience on the go is not something that enough people are interested in to be profitable. Handhelds are already niche, and most of that niche is made up of people who are interested in more compact experiences.
The Vita failed to reach it's original goal, but it's still getting support from other developers. It's just living on as a small system for niche Japanese games, ports, and indie titles. Sony has given up on making it more than that, and while that sucks(especially for people who brought into that original vision), it's not like the system has nothing to offer. You just have to be part of the audience that the library appeals to.
I second this pretty much word for word. Natural Doctrine, Tales of Hearts R, Freedom Wars, Oreshika, and Danganronpa 2 are all titles I'm planning on buying, along with a number of upcoming games in Japan that may or may not be localized(Phantasy Star Nova).
The Vita failed to reach it's original goal, but it's still getting support from other developers. It's just living on as a small system for niche Japanese games, ports, and indie titles. Sony has given up on making it more than that, and while that sucks(especially for people who brought into that original vision), it's not like the system has nothing to offer. You just have to be part of the audience that the library appeals to.
I second this pretty much word for word. Natural Doctrine, Tales of Hearts R, Freedom Wars, Oreshika, and Danganronpa 2 are all titles I'm planning on buying, along with a number of upcoming games in Japan that may or may not be localized(Phantasy Star Nova).