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[EvilMario]

When people say there are no games, it generally means no games they want to play. People said the Wii had no games, but it had a ton of great games. PSP apparently had no games, but it is a great system for jRPGs / strategy games. I have very little I want to play on Vita, but I have over three dozen games on my 3DS. Other people have displayed different taste and prefer the Vita's library over the 3DS offering. Just a matter of opinion. Having a list war won't solve anything.

 

[Skyzard]

I look at the lineup and the only games I would genuinely pay money for are Wipeout, Uncharted, Marvel 3 and Assassin's Creed, all 4 of which I can play better versions of if I bought a PS3 instead of a Vita. So to me, there's no compelling reason to own the hardware given my finite resources and time.

Less time and effort IS the reason I play Vita.

I can be immersed without feeling chained down. No pressure if I want a break - instant standby.


People interested in a portable console might feel those things too, Sony could do more about that with ads.

 

[SpaceBridge]

Generally the ones who are saying that Vita "haz no gamez" mean that there is no a) GT Vita, b) GoW Vita, c) Killzone Vita etc.

Basically Vita is lacking in AAA titles from 1st party. That's not a lot of games in any case, it's like 10% from all the games on the platform, but these games are the ones people talk about when they think about getting a Vita.

I being a Vita owner for more than a year think that Vita has a shitload of games.

Well PSP got the same bad rap, and it had supposed AAA system sellers; 2 God of Wars, 2 MGS titles (4 with the AC!d games), Crisis Core (essentially a FF7 remake), 3 Persona games (remakes), big name fighters like Tekken and Virtua Fighter, Killzone, Resistance, Socom, Monster Hunter, and Gran Turismo.

So if even Vita had a similar line up I'm still sure it'd get the no games reputation.

 

[The Elite]

This thread has established that both systems have a strong catalog of games.

One thing that really pisses me off, especially on GAF, is the whole "x system has no games" in the first year of release. All systems take time to build up their catalog. It doesn't suddenly happen overnight.

When people say there are no games, it generally means no games they want to play. People said the Wii had no games, but it had a ton of games. PSP apparently had no games, but it is a great system for jRPGs / strategy games. I have very little I want to play on Vita, but I have over three dozen games on my 3DS. Other people have displayed different taste and prefer the Vita's library over the 3DS offering. Just a matter of opinion. Having a list war won't solve anything.

That's fine. But that's a different argument. The system has no games that "you" don't want to play is very different than "x system has no games" which is a general statement. The games are there for both systems, many of them good ones. Both handhelds cater to different tastes quite well.

 

[KojiKnight]

Well PSP got the same bad rap, and it had supposed AAA system sellers; 2 God of Wars, 2 MGS titles (4 with the AC!d games), Crisis Core (essentially a FF7 remake), 3 Persona games (remakes), big name fighters like Tekken and Virtua Fighter, Killzone, Resistance, Socom, Monster Hunter, and Gran Turismo.

So if even Vita had a similar line up I'm still sure it'd get the no games reputation.

The problem is, most of those games appeared after the 2-3 year mark, when the system was already pretty much labeled dead. Sony should have learned (as Nintendo should have too) to pump out those games earlier, or release the system later... it's hard to recover from a bad rep.

 

[zroid]

I think it's cause they're not physical copies.

Oh, right, that makes sense.

Spoiler

yes that was the joke

 

[EvilMario]

That's fine. But that's a different argument. The system has no games that "you" don't want to play is very different than "x system has no games" which is a general statement. The games are there for both systems, many of them good ones. Both handhelds cater to different tastes quite well.

But that's what it always is when someone claims a system has no games. Nearly every major console released has had plenty of games in its library, even though you will find people that claim otherwise. When has the argument "x system has no games" ever really been true for a major system two years after its launch?

 

[ArtHands]

I don't understand what the expectation for the Vita is, but it's definitely out of whack. This thing will always be niche, just like the psp was. It'll never have a software library as broad as the 3DS,but so what? As people have pointed out there are tons of great games already. There's even a monthly Vita love thread here on GAF.

The expectation was what Sony leads (or mislead?) everyone to believe with those demos and promises of Yakuza, MGS4, bioshock, monster hunter portable 3rd vita, call of duty (the console experience version) at the beginning.

 

[Jucksalbe]

1.) The Vita really is the first DD handheld.

A lot of what makes the Vita and its gaming library so awesome are titles that you can't see on store shelves. Yes, the 3DS has the e-shop, but if you're shopping for a 3DS at Gamestop or wherever, you'll encounter a wall of games (and racks of DS games). It immediately gives you the impression that "woah, the 3DS has sooo much to play".
With the Vita it's the complete opposite.

First off, some stores stopped updating the actual boxed Vita releases on their shelves (of which there weren't that many after the launch anyways), so to the casual observer it seems like there's still mostly the launch games on that machine. Secondly, in-store the PSP games are rarely associated with the Vita both because the PSP didn't do so well in the west in recent years and also because the Vita can't play the UMDs. But add the PS1 games to the digital PSP games that are available, and you'll have an enormously impressive library that could match the DS "wall of games" quite well.

Just wanted to quote this. Vita games are there, you just can't see them.

Spoiler

lol

 

[the_korben]

Just wanted to quote this. Vita games are there, you just can't see them.

Spoiler

lol

Hey, that's what the singing, dancing mice have told me. Make fun of them, not me.

 

[Cerity]

It's all preference. Rarely is one version superior in all ways. Why that makes it less important beats me.

People seem to like telling others they don't like convenience :S Guess no one does really, that's why people hook their PC's up everywhere they go to check their emails.

No one is saying anything about convenience because we are talking about the games that are avaliable on the vita, not the vita itself.

Ports are less important in this discussion as there is the chance that the superior or similar versions are elsewhere and given that we are on a dedicated site to gaming, the majority of people will have access to those versions, on platforms that they prefer. Remember we are talking about why people think the vita has no games and because the vita has those ports is absolutely a factor in that.

 

[SYNTAX182]

But that's what it always is when someone claims a system has no games. Nearly every major console released has had plenty of games in its library, even though you will find people that claim otherwise. When has the argument "x system has no games" ever really been true for a major system two years after its launch?

Definitely. That's why I find these arguements pointless because when people say "x system has no games", they are just saying it has no games that interest them or they are just making a joke. I find it funny that there needs to be a thread saying oh you say it had no games. Check out this list. Like everyone has the same taste in games.

The reason 3ds sells is because the games have a broader range. That is the real reason. There's no games on vita that young kids want to play at the moment and kids are a pretty big chunk of handheld hardware sales.

 

[GYNGA]

Go on... We're already list waring, I'd love to see yours.

Can we haz statistickz instead?

Total number of rated games (Metacritic):
3DS - 195
PS VITA - 99
Ratio: 1.97

Total number of 75+ rated games
3DS - 51
PS VITA - 47
Ratio: 1.09

Total number of 50-64 rated games
3DS - 121
PS VITA - 45
Ratio: 2.69

Total number of 1-49 rated games
3DS - 23
PS VITA - 7
Ratio: 3.29

 

[Schobeleth]

List wars? List wars. All joking aside, I think the Vita has an awesome library and my backlog is evidence of how many games I have yet to completely play through:

Wipeout 2048
NFS: Most Wanted
Rayman Origins
Lumines Electronic Symphony
Uncharted Golden Abyss
Army Corps of Hell
DJMAX Technika Tune
Ragnarok Odyssey
Little Deviants
Soul Sacrifice
Persona 4 Golden
LBP Vita
Dungeon Hunter Alliance
PSABR
Hots Shots Golf World Invitational
Ninja Gaiden Sigma +
Disgaea 3 Abscence of Detention
Blazblue Continuum Shift Extend
Retro City Rampage
Sine Mora
Knytt Underground
Dokuro
Big Sky Infinity
Earth Defense Force Portable

I know that quite a few of these are ports, or upgraded ports, but whatever. As a Vita owner, I'm pretty satisfied with the games that are already out there. There's a bunch of cool "big" games coming for the system too:

Ys: Memories of Celceta
Killzone: Mercenary
Tearaway
Muramasa Rebirth
Valhalla Knights 3
Terraria
Toukiden
Dragon's Crown
Epic Mickey 2
Batman Arkham Origins Blackgate
Picotto Knights

and there's a bunch of smaller, indie games coming:

Counterspy - PS3, PS Vita, Mobile
Hohokum - PS3, PS4, PS Vita
Doki-Doki Universe - PS3, PS4, PS Vita
Lone Survivor - PS Vita
Divekick – PS3 and PS Vita
Spelunky – PS3 and PS Vita
Velocity Ultra – PS Vita
Limbo – PS Vita
Metrico – PS Vita
Hotline Miami – PS3 and PS Vita
Dragon Fantasy Book II – PS3 and PS Vita
Luftrausers – PS Vita
Friend Network App – PS Vita
A Virus Named Tom – PlayStation Mobile
Treachery in Beatdown City – PlayStation Mobile
Crumble – PlayStation Mobile
Crystallon – PlayStation Mobile
Don’t Wake the Bear – PlayStation Mobile
Hermit Crab in Space! – PlayStation Mobile
Oh, Deer! – PlayStation Mobile
Ten By Eight – PlayStation Mobile

... so, idk. Sure, you may look at that list and go "welp, Vita isn't for me" as a bunch of people seem to be doing but I look at that list and my boner only gets bigger. BRING ON THE GAMESZ

 

[awesomebro]

When people say there are no games, it generally means no games they want to play. People said the Wii had no games, but it had a ton of great games. PSP apparently had no games, but it is a great system for jRPGs / strategy games. I have very little I want to play on Vita, but I have over three dozen games on my 3DS. Other people have displayed different taste and prefer the Vita's library over the 3DS offering. Just a matter of opinion. Having a list war won't solve anything.

This is the answer. Some people are interested in stealth tps like MGS; vita has no games for them. Some people are interested in open world action games like GTA; vita has no games for them. Some people are interested in deep jrpgs like FF; vita has no games for them. Not everybody likes the current line up so list wars is stupid. Its like a kid asking his mom for apples and she goes "here take these oranges!"

 

[rpmurphy]

Hit me with your list

I'm surprised you crapped up your own thread with this that quickly. Hope you do enjoy list wars.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

Why did I even bother reading this thread?

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Always get a Nintendo handheld.
Always get a Sony home console.
That's the rules man.

Yeah, no. The PSP had an amazing library, and some would argue the best library of games on handhelds ever.

 

[SmokyDave]

Those Metacritic stats are very interesting indeed. Particularly the '75 and up'.

This is the answer. Some people are interested in stealth tps like MGS; vita has no games for them. Some people are interested in open world action games like GTA; vita has no games for them. Some people are interested in deep jrpgs like FF; vita has no games for them. Not everybody likes the current line up so list wars is stupid. Its like a kid asking his mom for apples and she goes "here take these oranges!"

Dude, you know you can play MGS 1, 2, 3 & Peace Walker on a Vita, right?

....and both PSP GTA games. And more Final Fantasy games than you could possibly want to play?*

You probably mean exclusives, but then where are you playing handheld MGS, GTA & FF exclusives? Nowhere.

*I'm kidding because I don't like JRPGs, but there are an awful lot of FF games compatible with the Vita.

 

[Psyclone]

I'm surprised you crapped up your own thread with this that quickly. Hope you do enjoy list wars.

I rarely start new threads on here. Usually sit back and watch the chaos unfold. It's interesting what people will do to justify their own purchases. I see myself jumping back on the 3DS/WiiU bandwagon again soon.

Unleash the list fury! Bwahahaaa

 

[famousmortimer]

The vita has a shitload of games for hardcore gamers. It doesn't have many and is far too expensive for casual gamers.

That and some stupid prices for memory cards will explain why it has a small but extremely dedicated fanbase. As the price comes down to earth it will cross over a little but will never be a raging success. But it's also not even close to 'doomed' like so many people here like to parrot.

 

[Schobeleth]

I guess that list was a bit obnoxious. There's also this thread:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=472361

 

[KalBalboa]

The Vita really does have an awesome library. It seems like there's always special nit-picking made for its games and the pejorative label of "port" being thrown on games that hit day one on Vita and even play better on it (Sound Shapes, Guacamelee, All-Stars, etc).

 

[Gestault]

So it must be selling great, if it has games people really want to play and can't experience elsewhere ... right?

[Says a stalwart vita owner.]

 

[Foshy]

Can we haz statistickz instead?

Total number of rated games (Metacritic):
3DS - 195
PS VITA - 99
Ratio: 1.97

Total number of 75+ rated games
3DS - 51
PS VITA - 47
Ratio: 1.09

Total number of 50-64 rated games
3DS - 121
PS VITA - 45
Ratio: 2.69

Total number of 1-49 rated games
3DS - 23
PS VITA - 7
Ratio: 3.29

47% of Vita's games are 75+, while only 26% of 3DS's games are.

Case closed. Enjoy your shovelware nintendrones.

Spoiler

lol

 

[Htown]

Can we haz statistickz instead?

Total number of rated games (Metacritic):
3DS - 195
PS VITA - 99
Ratio: 1.97

Total number of 75+ rated games
3DS - 51
PS VITA - 47
Ratio: 1.09

Total number of 50-64 rated games
3DS - 121
PS VITA - 45
Ratio: 2.69

Total number of 1-49 rated games
3DS - 23
PS VITA - 7
Ratio: 3.29

Total number of 90+ rated games
3DS - 5
Vita - 1
Ratio: 5.00

 

[SmokyDave]

So it must be selling great, if it has games people really want to play and can't experience elsewhere ... right?

[Says a stalwart vita owner.]

In a world where Justin Bieber can sell more albums than Joan Baez, nothing is simple.

 

[Schobeleth]

Total number of 90+ rated games
3DS - 5
Vita - 1
Ratio: 5.00

Let me guess, the Vita game is Persona 4 and the 3DS games are either Zelda, Mario or Fire Emblem? :O

Edit: Yup, I was right.

 

[sechsterangriff]

Since I actually play handhelds for their portability (sometimes it sounds like something crazy these days), I just want to add that there's nothing wrong with the Vita having a lot of ports. Much on the contrary, it was one of the main reasons I bought one. Actually, most ports offer an experience on par with their console counterparts and there's actually some disappointment when it's announced the Vita is getting a port of the 3DS version and not of he console version of a multi-platform game. Vita ports like DOA5+, NFS: MW, Sonic Transformed are all the full console experience running in the palm of your hands.

Of course, a good ratio of original titles and ports is most desirable, but my point is quality ports shouldn't be so quickly discarded as worthwhile games specially when it comes to handhelds.

 

[Forkball]

Good god we're breaking out ratio math now?

I think most of us agree that Vita will be successful in the long run, just perhaps in different markets. PSP was huge in Asia and I expect Vita to be popular there as well. Vita doesn't have that many compelling titles, possibly because Sony is putting a lot of focus on PS4 and Nintendo is moneyhatting a lot of big games like Monster Hunter and possibly Dragon Quest. Couple this in with an amazing 3DS year and a lot of people look poorly on the Vita, but I'm sure it will pick up.

 

[DGRE]

I still find it hard to comprehend why the general consensus with regards to the Vita is "vita has no games... doomed".

My current Vita games folder contains the following:

Gravity Rush (PS+)
Guacamelee!
Jet Set Radio (PS+)
Lumines Electronic Symphony (PS+)
P4G
Sound Shapes
Super Stardust Delta
Thomas Was Alone (PS+)
Velocity Ultra (PS+)
Wipeout 2048 (PS+)

Not included (due to only having a 16GB card)
Uncharted GA (PS+)
MGS HD Collection (PS+)
VLR (PS+)
Sine Mora (PS+)

I haven't included any PSP or PSone games for the obvious reasons.

Would you consider this library to be lacking in any area? What genres do you think are not represented well in the Vita's game selection? or is it just that there just aren't enough games out?

I for one am very positive about E3 with regards to the PS3, Vita and PS4 announcements. I know that there have been similar threads around but do people mean when saying "Vita's doomed" ?

PS. Rayman Origins on PS+ EU in June!

People use the "no games" bit to explain why it is tanking so hard commercially. They are trying to do it a favor by giving it an excuse, but there's no good excuse, really...

 

[pixlexic]

I owned a vita since launch and i have yet bought a single game for it.

There is just nothing that excites me enough. The ones that do have a better console versions.

i am hoping the ps4 connection improves this for me.

 

[QaaQer]

People use the "no games" bit to explain why it is tanking so hard commercially. They are trying to do it a favor by giving it an excuse, but there's no good excuse, really...

except one: there is no mainstream market for dedicated gaming handhelds in the west aside from the under 12s.

 

[ThisWreckage]

There's something for everyone on this system. Once they get major franchises on it, and I think they will, it will be a huge boon for the system. It already has a good groundwork as it is.

 

[jay]

Does the 3DS have anything good besides Fire Emblem? I can't think of anything.

You have terrible taste. Fire Emblem is bad, so the 3DS has no good games.

 

[braves01]

The best reason to own a Vita are ports and PSone stuff, not original titles, hence Vita has no games sentiment.

 

[Schobeleth]

I'm still just in awe of people saying the Vita has ZERO games that interest them, the same with the 3DS. There's a bunch of 3DS games that I want, I just can't afford the system right now. Vita is my main handheld but I acknowledge that 3DS has some awesome stuff too, hence why I want both. Different tastes I guess but still - no games of interest?? Really?

 

[ElectricKaibutsu]

I owned a vita since launch and i have yet bought a single game for it.

There is just nothing that excites me enough. The ones that do have a better console versions.

i am hoping the ps4 connection improves this for me.

I'll get some use out of it for you. I'll even pay for the postage. You can rest easy in the knowledge that your purchase didn't go to waste and you made one boy very, very happy.

Spoiler

 

[kalidor]

Vita is dead

RIP

 

[UrSuLeTZuL]

People just look at the direct competition. Compared to the 3DS, it's lacking.

Compared to anything else, it's fine.
Compared to the Wii U, it's on fire.

That sounds about right, anywayz, I have more games on Vita than I can actually play at the moment and I think the situation will only improve moving forward.

 

[VanWinkle]

When people say there are no games, it generally means no games they want to play. People said the Wii had no games, but it had a ton of great games. PSP apparently had no games, but it is a great system for jRPGs / strategy games. I have very little I want to play on Vita, but I have over three dozen games on my 3DS. Other people have displayed different taste and prefer the Vita's library over the 3DS offering. Just a matter of opinion. Having a list war won't solve anything.

This is exactly right, and you having three dozen 3DS games while I have a good 50 to 60 Vita games (retail and digital) yet less than 10 3DS games is perfect proof of that.

HOWEVER, you KNOW that if somebody said "3DS has no games" under that same logic, they would be raked over the coals and called ignorant.

 

[rpmurphy]

Let me guess, the Vita game is Persona 4 and the 3DS games are either Zelda, Mario or Fire Emblem? :O

OOT3D, Cave Story (eShop ver.), Fire Emblem, SML3D, Pushmo

Other stats based on those >75 Metacritic by genre (note that games can fall into multiple genres and rather haphazardly):

Action:
3DS 12, Vita 19

Adventure:
3DS 1, Vita 3

Fighting:
3DS 2, Vita 6

FPS:
3DS 1, Vita 0

Platformer:
3DS 18, Vita 8

Puzzle:
3DS 1, Vita 0

Racing:
3DS 1, Vita 4

RPG:
3DS 9, Vita 2

Sports:
3DS 0, Vita 5

Strategy:
3DS 2, Vita 2

TPS:
3DS 0, Vita 1

Turn-based Strategy:
3DS 2, Vita 1

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Using Metacritic scores as a sign of perceived quality?

Yikes.

 

[clay_ghost]

OOT3D, Cave Story (eShop ver.), Fire Emblem, SML3D, Pushmo

Other stats based on those >75 Metacritic by genre (note that games can fall into multiple genres and rather haphazardly):

i hate list wars and everything but what is the Turn-based Strategy for Vita ? Very interested .

 

[kobashi100]

Good god we're breaking out ratio math now?

I think most of us agree that Vita will be successful in the long run, just perhaps in different markets. PSP was huge in Asia and I expect Vita to be popular there as well. Vita doesn't have that many compelling titles, possibly because Sony is putting a lot of focus on PS4 and Nintendo is moneyhatting a lot of big games like Monster Hunter and possibly Dragon Quest. Couple this in with an amazing 3DS year and a lot of people look poorly on the Vita, but I'm sure it will pick up.

Vita will not be huge Japan dude..

 

[Sendou]

i hate list wars and everything but what is the Turn-based Strategy for Vita ? Very interested .

Disgaea 3?

 

[rpmurphy]

i hate list wars and everything but what is the Turn-based Strategy for Vita ? Very interested .

Disgaea 3

Using Metacritic scores as a sign of perceived quality?

Yikes.

There are lots of people who are into stats, regardless of the wide variance in actual usefulness. Facts of life...

 

[ElectricKaibutsu]

This is exactly right, and you having three dozen 3DS games while I have a good 50 to 60 Vita games (retail and digital) yet less than 10 3DS games is perfect proof of that.

HOWEVER, you KNOW that if somebody said "3DS has no games" under that same logic, they would be raked over the coals and called ignorant.

Well, when all the 3DS had was Steel Diver and Pilotwings, people did say that. But now it has games, of the elusive "system seller" variety. Once the Vita comes into its own and gets out of the shadow of the PS3, no one will say this anymore.

 

[VanWinkle]

Vita will not be huge Japan dude..

He didn't say huge. It said it will be popular.

Well, when all the 3DS had was Steel Diver and Pilotwings, people did say that. But now it has games, of the elusive "system seller" variety. Once the Vita comes into its own and gets out of the shadow of the PS3, no one will say this anymore.

His argument (and the one I agreed with) wasn't the lack of system sellers but rather the people mean that it has no games that interest them. That's where my comment came from.

 

[Call Me Maybe]

Like all other similar statements, 'Vita has no games!' is an annoying meme that is meant to convey one or all of the following points:

• Vita has no game that would sell the hardware to a mass, mainstream audience
• Vita has no games that would sell the hardware to the person saying it has no games
• Vita has no games compared to its direct competition, the 3DS

In all these three cases, 'no games' is not an absolute measure, it is a relative measure: one might be interested in one game on the Vita, for example; or the Vita might have lots of good games, but not enough (relative to mainstream appeal, personal preferences, or the 3DS). That is all there is.

Hit me with your list

*sigh* Really? We're doing this? Okay, here goes, it's Sunday morning and I've nothing better to do.

Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Shadow Wars
Dead or Alive Dimensions
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D
Star Fox 64 3D
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor Overclocked
Super Mario 3D Land
Mario Kart 7
Resident Evil Revelations
Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater 3D
Tales of the Abyss 3D
Kid Icarus: Uprising
Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance
Theatrhythm: Final Fantasy
Rhythm Thief and the Emperor's Treasure
New Super Mario Bros. 2
Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward
Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask
Paper Mario: Sticker Star
Fire Emblem: Awakening
Etrian Odyssey IV
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers
Monster Hunter Tri Ultimate
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow: Mirror of Fate
Lego City Undercover: The Chade Begins
Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon
Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D

With the following games upcoming:

Animal Crossing New Leaf
Project X Zone
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Yoshi's Island 3DS
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past II
Pokemon X/Y
Monster Hunter IV
Ace Attorney: Dual Destinies
Professor Layton and the Azran Legacies
Mario Party
Mario Golf
Bravely Default
Super Smash Bros. 4
Batman: Arkham Origins: Blackgate

And I didn't even name all the current and upcoming digital games.
Are you really telling me nothing on that list appeals to you, because that is highly unlikely.

Like I said above, the Vita has games, it has tons of games, and people who claim otherwise are being stupid. But to claim the opposite is equally stupid, when by any objective measure, the 3DS has more games.