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[boiled goose]

He is old, but he is also currently the most popular politician.

Want to win? Even if he is not the candidate you want someone who can channel him.

A corporate centrist democrat can lose.
Anti trump alone is not a soundproof strategy, as we saw.

 

[Neoweee]

He is old, but he is also currently the most popular politician.

Want to win? Even if he is not the candidate you want someone who can channel him.

A corporate centrist democrat can lose.

Reminder: At this point last cycle, around 2013, Hillary Clinton was one of the most popular politicians.

Numbers this far out don't really mean shit, obviously.

 

[erlim]

I honestly hope he retires and elevates someone younger in his place. He is way too fucking old.

There has to be somebody that has something similar to Bernie's platform and experience without being his age, right?

 

[jack_package_200]

I ideally want someone motivated, young, sexy, and charismatic.

Everything Donald Trump isn't.

 

[DonShula]

Is Howard Dean politically relevant anymore?

I really liked him, despite the ridiculous uproar over his campaign battle-cry.

He'd be 72 on Inauguration Day 2021. A veritable young buck himself.

 

[perfectchaos007]

I mean I'll vote for him over Trump but no thanks.



More like, Baby Boomers have controlled things long enough and our generation should get a say in running the country.

Sanders is from the Silent Generation mate. We good

 

[StarCreator]

America is the richest country in the world and health care, a decent wage and education are apparently too much to ask for.

No one is arguing against that, but Sanders offered absolutely nothing on how he'd actually accomplish such things. Congress simply wasn't going to enact anything he was promising.

 

[Muppet of a Man]

If not the presidential candidate, he should be that candidate's VP pick. That would actually be a pretty awesome synergy.

 

[TheCochese]

One thing I'll say about Harris, and people need to understand this:

You thought 2016 was vile, you ain't seen nothing yet. Trump supporters were motivated, you better believe they'll be motivated to vote against a WOC.

You want her to run and win, you need to get on that train will full force. Like 2008. She's your candidate, you go vote for her or you'll lose.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

I find it weird how people are afraid of voting for someone based on their age in a democratic system because they're afraid what the death of a head of state and government will bring.

There are far more issues that just death. You do realize Ronald Regan had Alzheimer’s right? The risk of mental diseases increases with age and that's further exacerbated by stress. Why are some of you acting like some of us are just making shit up and that's there's no precedence for this happening?

 

[Theonik]

(Reagan literally couldn't do it!)

Have Biden as VP then

 

[Netherscourge]

Funny as it sounds, Jesus Christ himself would probably lose to Trump.

Jesus was too liberal, even for Christian standards, what with all that "give to the poor" and "tolerance" stuff he preached before he was executed by the state.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

As has been stated repeatedly, the polls during this past election weren't egregiously problematic, the punditry around them and selective misreading a were. This is something that both this forum and Nate Silver were guilty of.

FiveThirtyEight had a good piece that broke down how Trump's win was perfectly within the margin of error for most major pollsters.

And a poll that Bernie was likely to win after losing the primary really misses some key points that polling can't pick up on. I'm speaking more of the deficiencies of polls. It's statistics and you can make a poll say anything.

This poll means next to nothing, this far out with a candidate who largely avoided intense scrutiny during the primary. He still has to decide to run, still has to build a network, still has to campaign, still would have to bring the party together, still has to prove his ideas can get people elected, still has a lot to prove. Still has to refute the idea he doesn't work well with others, still has to prove he can connect with minorities on a large scale, still has to prove he can take the blistering attack from a campaign.

For a guy who 'did well', he's avoided a lot of pitfalls most politicians have absorbed.

 

[boiled goose]

Reminder: At this point last cycle, around 2013, Hillary Clinton was one of the most popular politicians.

Numbers this far out don't really mean shit, obviously.

A fair point that we are far from election. We can wait till we are closer and reevaluate of course.

Something important to also remember is that favorable/unfavorable is not the full picture. Degree of enthusiasm is important. Hillary's support was quite squishy.

 

[SolidSnakex]

You do that by running a young candidate!

Sure, but do the Democrats have such a candidate? I mean, you have at least some Bernie supporters that feel the party doesn't give a shit about their voice, which on some level was reinforced when Perez was selected over Ellison. It's critical that Democrats find a candidate that has enthusiasm behind them and supports that candidate instead of just expecting people to get behind someone because Trump is such a horrible pick. They tried that last time and we saw how well that worked. Don't dismiss things like crowd sizes and enthusiasm anymore.

By having someone who'd motivate older white people to hold their nose and vote Trump to save the Republic from Communism, while the young people flake and older minorities just stay home.

That seems like a lot of speculation on your part, particularly about minorities given that it's been continually shown that Bernie's likability among minorities is actually rather high. He's pretty much liked by everyone.

 

[DonShula]

One thing I'll say about Harris, and people need to understand this:

You thought 2016 was vile, you ain't seen nothing yet. Trump supporters were motivated, you better believe they'll be motivated to vote against a WOC.

You want her to run and win, you need to get on that train will full force. Like 2008. She's your candidate, you go vote for her or you'll lose.

The people who get nasty because she's black would never vote Democrat anyway. All they'd do with their vile attacks is encourage more turnout from traditionally non-voting liberals. I'm legitimately on board with this as a strategy. Bring out the worst so America can self-reflect turn out in huge numbers.

 

[alternade]

I really fucking hope not. His need to chase the "working white voter" has really soured me in the past few months. Add to that I don't think an old white man is going to garner much enthusiasm other than the TYT demographic seeing this as a win over the "establishment" .

I'm pulling for Kamala Harris to start to take center stage in the next year or so.

 

[kirblar]

Sure, but do the Democrats have such a candidate? I mean, you have at least some Bernie supporters that feel the party doesn't give a shit about their voice, which on some level was reinforced when Perez was selected over Ellison. It's critical that Democrats find a candidate that has enthusiasm behind them and supports that candidate instead of just expecting people to get behind someone because Trump is such a horrible pick. They tried that last time and we saw how well that worked. Don't dismiss things like crowd sizes and enthusiasm anymore.

Generally such a candidate doesn't emerge until before/during the primaries!

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

yes, probably by undermining them at every turn

Maybe the heads of the party/insiders shouldn't be undermining the most popular politician in the country?

 

[Staccat0]

I'll take whatever I can get. They could run a mummy against Trump and I'd still be like "that's enough stamina for me!"
"

 

[boiled goose]

Generally such a candidate doesn't emerge until before/during the primaries!

Problem is that Democrats have been awful at raising a group of young progressive leaders.

That is changing a bit now, but it's inspite of dnc, not because of it.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

There has to be somebody that has something similar to Bernie's platform and experience without being his age, right?

If he can't get anyone else elected, who will replace him and what reason does anyone have to replace him? Who wants that throne?

Problem is that Democrats have been awful at raising a group of young progressive leaders.

That is changing a bit now, but it's inspite of dnc, not because of it.

I would argue that's not Democrats fault. Bernie Sanders is having a difficult time raising a group of progressive leaders. There's no button to push besides years of hard work and a network and a ton of other shit.

 

[Spuck-uk]

e:f/b

 

[Maintenance]

Stop.

Just stop.

He's old, way too old. This term would be already near the limit of what a president should be, 2020? No way.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Kamala Harris would be viewed as an elite, coastal liberal out of touch with the Rust Belt.

I wish it would be Kamala Harris, but I don't think she would appeal to the people Democrats need to win over the most in 2020.

You're making the mistake of thinking democrats need to swing all rust belt voters to win, as if they're the only voting block that was lost. While yes, rust belt voters went to Trump, Dems also lost because of weaker support of PoC as well. Kamala kinda has a huge leg up in that respect.

As for mitigating rust belt fall out, all she has to do is actually campaign there, unlike Hillary.

Basically, when I look at Kamala, I see Obama 2. Young, charismatic PoC with great handle of the law.

 

[Spuck-uk]

Because they can't? Suppose Corbyn found some promising person who wanted to be an MP, and we're still in 2006, 2007. Corbyn gets on well with this person, thinks they're bright stuff, tells them to run to be an MP, wants them to be a protege. This person puts in their application to Labour selection committee... and gets rejected, because there is a Blairite candidate and the selection committee is filled with Blairite politicians. What was Corbyn supposed to do?

Support Clive Lewis?

 

[Emperor_Uriel]

Way too early for us to know.

That said, Zuckerburg will almost certainly be president within our lifetimes. He'll be old enough to run by 2020, so it's entirely possible.

 

[BotoxAgent]

Democrats shouldn't telegraph their frontrunner too soon to prevent the GOP running their hate machine on them before election season heats up.

 

[Staccat0]

If he can't get anyone else elected, who will replace him and what reason does anyone have to replace him? Who wants that throne?


I would argue that's not Democrats fault. Bernie Sanders is having a difficult time raising a group of progressive leaders. There's no button to push besides years of hard work and a network and a ton of other shit.

Agreed.

I mean shit man, any thread about organizing for state/local elections drops right off the front page of this forum, and this is during Trump's first term. Getting voters to care and building out a bench is hard.

 

[LaNaranja]

I'm pulling for Kamala Harris to start to take center stage in the next year or so.

Either her or Xavier Becerra seem like they would have the best shot at inspiring the masses. Not sure what the fuck Clinton was thinking not picking him as her running mate.

 

[El_Tiguere]

The only Bernie 2.0 with the youth, charisma, message, battling spirit, principles, and intersectionality that can unite the Democrat party and progressives is the one, the only,

NINA TURNER

America is ready. The corrupt DNC that LOST with Hillary tried to cast her aside, but she is the living breathing Bernie 2.0 that can carry his torch.

As for going against Trump... if you want to see a senile sexist and racist white old man get TRIGGERED every other day on twitter over a presidential campaign, pit him against a STRONG SMART BLACK WOMAN. Sorry Kamala... voters will sniff out any elite-groomed focus-grouped candidate.

 

[shawnbuddy]

No one is arguing against that, but Sanders offered absolutely nothing on how he'd actually accomplish such things. Congress simply wasn't going to enact anything he was promising.

I think Bernie and Trump are kind of the flipside of the same thing. They're popular because they're willing to promise the moon, doesn't matter if their proposals for how to do it are unworkable, impractical, doomed to fail politically, make no sense or are non-existent.

Hillary was unpopular, in part, because she made boring realistic proposals with long-winded, detailed plans.

American politics have devolved into an elementary class President election. Where one kid is promising five more minutes for the lunch period, another is promising free ice cream every day and no homework. The second kid is always going to be cooler.

 

[kirblar]

Democrats shouldn't telegraph their frontrunner too soon to prevent the GOP running their hate machine on them before election season heats up.

This is why Obama lied his ass off about an '08 run until he actually announced it.

(This is also a reason I think Gillibrand might be the strongest option in '20 as she's doing the exact same thing and has shown scarily good instincts elsewhere.)

 

[theclosetfan]

I'm okay with Bernie being an early frontrunner now and taking fire while others bide their time. But there's too many things working against him as a candidate for 2020.

Keep an eye on Al Franken. He's also not a spring chicken... but he's super smart, serious and tech-savvy. He's got Midwestern credentials as a Senator from Minnesota. He's very progressive. Most importantly, he's funny, likable and pugilistic and could easily disarm Trump's bullshit cannon.

Put him on a ticket with a young star like Kamala Harris to build her national profile and you've got something special.

 

[Spuck-uk]

His age is not my biggest worry, but he wont be able to govern. His ideas on scrapping Obamacare and redoing everything from scratch, 15/hr mandated minimum wage, free college for all are not feasible. Its just not pragmatic.

Reminder that other countries have freehealthcare, free tertiary education, better labour laws and work just fine.

You over the pond really get brainwashed from birth about whats 'impossible' when it comes to being decent to citizens.

 

[AstroNut325]

I like the idea of Kamala Harris running. As a former prosecutor i feel like she can put Trump in his place.

I would instantly throw my support behind Kamala. The biggest problem is that the left do not defend their candidates. Look at the kind of coverage Harris received when she questioned Sessions at the senate hearing. I don't recall anyone on the left coming to defend her.

I really like the idea of Kamala Harris as president. I hope she runs. I just hope the left base decides to grow a spine and thoroughly back their candidate.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Support Clive Lewis?

I still don't actually know how he sneaked onto his shortlist. The golden boy for that seat was David Rowntree, but he got roasted at the hustings.

 

[Spuck-uk]

Way too early for us to know.

That said, Zuckerburg will almost certainly be president within our lifetimes. He'll be old enough to run by 2020, so it's entirely possible.

Zuckerberg has literally zero charisma. There is not a single chance in hell.

 

[shawnbuddy]

That seems like a lot of speculation on your part, particularly about minorities given that it's been continually shown that Bernie's likability among minorities is actually rather high. He's pretty much liked by everyone.

Where was that shown? Sure wasn't in the primary.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

The only Bernie 2.0 with the youth, charisma, message, battling spirit, principles, and intersectionality that can unite the Democrat party and progressives is the one, the only,

NINA TURNER

America is ready. The corrupt DNC that LOST with Hillary tried to cast her aside, but she is the living breathing Bernie 2.0 that can carry his torch.

As for going against Trump... if you want to see a senile old man get TRIGGERED every other day on twitter over a presidential campaign, pit him against a STRONG SMART BLACK WOMAN. Sorry Kamala... voters will sniff out any elite-groomed focus-grouped candidate.

I will vote for Trump is Nina Tuner somehow wins the nomination

 

[War Peaceman]

Too old and under FBI investigation. Go for someone new.

Deja vu

 

[B-Dubs]

The only Bernie 2.0 with the youth, charisma, message, battling spirit, principles, and intersectionality that can unite the Democrat party and progressives is the one, the only,

NINA TURNER

America is ready. The corrupt DNC that LOST with Hillary tried to cast her aside, but she is the living breathing Bernie 2.0 that can carry his torch.

As for going against Trump... if you want to see a senile old man get TRIGGERED every other day on twitter over a presidential campaign, pit him against a STRONG SMART BLACK WOMAN. Sorry Kamala... voters will sniff out any elite-groomed focus-grouped candidate.

Nina Turner can't even win a statewide election, how the hell is she supposed to win a national one?

 

[Staccat0]

I think that the GOP has a way stronger playbook to deal with Kamala Harris than they had for Obama all those years ago... and it scares the shit out of me to think about it.

Reminder that other countries have freehealthcare, free tertiary education, better labour laws and work just fine.

You over the pond really get brainwashed from birth about whats 'impossible' when it comes to being decent to citizens.

Reminder that we have a GOP controlled Congress that makes the system we HAVE sound like socialism. I backed Bernie in the primaries, but he never really seemed like he had a plan to get the support in Congress.

 

[Spuck-uk]

I still don't actually know how he sneaked onto his shortlist. The golden boy for that seat was David Rowntree, but he got roasted at the hustings.

Probably Lewis background, I don't think they knew he'd be as awesome as he's shown himself to be.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

The only Bernie 2.0 with the youth, charisma, message, battling spirit, principles, and intersectionality that can unite the Democrat party and progressives is the one, the only,

NINA TURNER

America is ready. The corrupt DNC that LOST with Hillary tried to cast her aside, but she is the living breathing Bernie 2.0 that can carry his torch.

As for going against Trump... if you want to see a senile sexist and racist white old man get TRIGGERED every other day on twitter over a presidential campaign, pit him against a STRONG SMART BLACK WOMAN. Sorry Kamala... voters will sniff out any elite-groomed focus-grouped candidate.

Is this a parody post or something?

 

[Tarydax]

The only Bernie 2.0 with the youth, charisma, message, battling spirit, principles, and intersectionality that can unite the Democrat party and progressives is the one, the only,

NINA TURNER

America is ready. The corrupt DNC that LOST with Hillary tried to cast her aside, but she is the living breathing Bernie 2.0 that can carry his torch.

As for going against Trump... if you want to see a senile sexist and racist white old man get TRIGGERED every other day on twitter over a presidential campaign, pit him against a STRONG SMART BLACK WOMAN. Sorry Kamala... voters will sniff out any elite-groomed focus-grouped candidate.

Thanks, I needed the laugh.

 

[El_Tiguere]

I will vote for Trump is Nina Tuner somehow wins the nomination

What does that make you?

 

[titiklabingapat]

He can't be worse than Trump. So let's go.

 

[Fancyarcher]

Bernie is way too old, and I'm not sure he has anything interest in running, sorry I don't see it happening.

 

[GustyGardens]

I don't believe he has the stamina for the job.