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[sprsk]

I don't believe it. Everyone was calling out Denis for being "unprofessional" in the EGM podcast. Yet this sort of behavior is "professional"?

Like someone said, maybe Denis needs to cuss everyone out and he'll get more respect as it seems to work for David.

You really should let Dyack speak for himself. He doesn't need you defending him all the time.

 

[Emowii]

You really should let Dyack speak for himself. He doesn't need you defending him all the time.

See, thats the problem with Dyack. Whenever he tries to defend himself, he doesn't do a very good job of it. :lol

He's seriously in need of a 1,000 man nerd army to defend him whenever it's necessary.

 

[Madman]

I can see why Jaffe's going to take a break. He made a post yesterday explaining why Calling All Cars would be late(the post in question) , and tons of reponses were "Why do you guys keep kissing Jaffe's ass lol..." just becuase a few people said "thanks for letting us know." It seems as though there are the people that respect what he does, then there are the people that shit all over him for basically no reason. Everyone telling him to "grow up" would feel like saying exactly what he did. They just wouldn't act on it.

 

[fanduck]

I don't believe it. Everyone was calling out Denis for being "unprofessional" in the EGM podcast. Yet this sort of behavior is "professional"?

Like someone said, maybe Denis needs to cuss everyone out and he'll get more respect as it seems to work for David. Judging from this thread, Jaffe has an army of Pool Boys at the ready. :lol

I think what people like about Jaffe is how unprofessional he is. Denis on the other hand, I think he tries to be very professional, and when he comes off as unprofessional, he gets his nuts busted.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

I don't believe it. Everyone was calling out Denis for being "unprofessional" in the EGM podcast. Yet this sort of behavior is "professional"?

Like someone said, maybe Denis needs to cuss everyone out and he'll get more respect as it seems to work for David. Judging from this thread, Jaffe has an army of Pool Boys at the ready. :lol

No Dennis needs to make a great game first

 

[thanks]

I cannot stand the biased, trashy blog mentioned in the article. More power to you Jaffe. I may not love your games, but you certainly have a way with words.

 

[chubigans]

Damnit, now Jaffe has gone into hiding. We'll never see him again.

 

[Pureauthor]

I cannot stand the biased, trashy blog mentioned in the article. More power to you Jaffe. I may not love your games, but you certainly have a way with words.

Inserting an expletive (and worse, the exact same expletive) into every other word of your posts certainly is a way with words, but I don't think that's quite what you meant.

 

[Hyoushi]

Whawhawhat??? Wow did Jaffe overreact! The quote was "Like a little girl struggling to keep her favorite doll out of the garage sale bin"

They said nothing of the bargain bin. It was a clever way of saying Jaffe loves his project so much, he wants to keep working on it and doesn't want to let go of it. Kind of like a little girl who doesn't want to let her doll go.

Yeah this is what I thought as well. Wow. Either I fail at reading, or Jaffe does.

 

[neoxavean]

Seriously, Jaffe comes off as an absolute prick.

Regardless of the merits of reopening/fixing the code this late in the game, he still acted like a complete jackass. I bet he's horrible to work with.

 

[chubigans]

Yeah this is what I thought as well. Wow. Either I fail at reading, or Jaffe does.

It's still a bad and unflattering metaphor. Better if they had said, "like a cook trying to add more spices and seasonings before delivering it to the impatient guests in a luxury restaurant."

But obviously not as entertaining. :lol

 

[TDG]

See, thats the problem with Dyack. Whenever he tries to defend himself, he doesn't do a very good job of it. :lol

He's seriously in need of a 1,000 man nerd army to defend him whenever it's necessary.

Poor Dyack. The guy actually has some interesting ideas for the industry, but his ideas have severe flaws and he keeps getting slammed for it.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

Poor Dyack. The guy actually has some interesting ideas for the industry, but his ideas have severe flaws and he keeps getting slammed for it.

The fact that he comes off as Gigadent-lite when he defends himself also hurts his cause.

Anyways Good on Jaffe.

 

[MrSardonic]

I don't believe it. Everyone was calling out Denis for being "unprofessional" in the EGM podcast. Yet this sort of behavior is "professional"?

Obviously Jaffe's behaviour isn't professional but he's never painted himself to be an example of professonalism.

This has been discussed before.

The difference is that Jaffe comes across as a likeable character, has produced good games, doesn't think he is God's gift to the industry, but has a tendency to over-react...whereas Dyack is thoroughly unlikeable, arrogant, slightly delusional, and yet hasn't delivered the games to excuse that kind of attitude.

Both are responsible for the positions they are in and Jaffe gets away with it because he hasn't tried to make himself out to be anything else.

 

[ColR100]

The industry needs more people like David Jaffe. Love the way he acts and lets people know what he's thinking without covering it up with a load of bullshit like many other people seem to do. A breath of fresh air that's needed.

 

[Helzown]

He makes a good point, and what he did is generally a good thing... but he's a dumbass.

 

[urk]

No Dennis needs to make a great game first

Already covered.

http://www.gaming-age.com/cgi-bin/reviews/review.pl?sys=gamecube&game=ed

 

[FirstInHell]

Jaffe comes off as pretty arrogant and immature. He also seems to be very impressed with himself. What individual who is a professional would act in this manner? Would you ever see garbage like this coming from the likes of John Carmack or Will Wright? Jaffe's insane behavior has gotten him some attention before and now it seems as if he is trying too hard to project this persona.

Jaffe is a typical bully who resorts to shouting and intimidation tactics when someone says something he does not like. It sounds like typical internet complaining, but I honestly have no interest in buying any game that has this guy's name attached to it because he is such a jackass.

I think people need to start ignoring this guy and maybe he will go away. The amount of high fives to Jaffe in this thread is sickening. What is so impressive about a grown man losing his temper and going on a profanity laced rant because someone said something that hurt his feelings?

 

[Kabuki Waq]

Already covered.

http://www.gaming-age.com/cgi-bin/reviews/review.pl?sys=gamecube&game=ed

Craig Majaski's Review of a GC game? are you going to link me to SSX's review of MGS3 next?

 

[Madman]

Whawhawhat??? Wow did Jaffe overreact! The quote was "Like a little girl struggling to keep her favorite doll out of the garage sale bin"

They said nothing of the bargain bin. It was a clever way of saying Jaffe loves his project so much, he wants to keep working on it and doesn't want to let go of it. Kind of like a little girl who doesn't want to let her doll go.

They said that Jaffe was a little girl trying to keep Calling all Cars, or his doll out of the garage sale bin. Basically, they called him a girl and said his game was garage sale bin material. I seriously doubt it was all for the metaphor, otherwise they would have said "not letting his game go to the shelves" or something along those lines. It was definately meant to be insulting.

 

[Funky Papa]

I swear that sometimes GAF is worse than GameFAQs. The thing is that ******* used a bit of irony, and Jaffe reacted like your average Xbox Live misfit. Yet he is so awesome for doing so.

Maybe other developers should start talking about your mother's twats or how you are nothing but a bunch of wanna be ****tards. After all, that seems to make you cool over here.

 

[Crisis]

Respect for Jaffe: +1

What kind of idiot could complain about Jaffe FIXING a bug in a game? ffs he should be given a medal for risking the publisher backlash and caring enough about his game to fix it. 99% of other publishers would just ignore the review and leave the bug in the game. Jaffe is one of the few industry folks who actually cares about his reputation.

I never had a problem with ******* before but...omg they are stupid.

I felt that this needed to be seen again. You know, say what you want about Jaffe, but he's right this time. The only thing I can say is that sometimes, you can't with them all.

 

[thanks]

Inserting an expletive (and worse, the exact same expletive) into every other word of your posts certainly is a way with words, but I don't think that's quite what you meant.

:lol Certainly not what I meant.

 

[Emowii]

The amount of high fives to Jaffe in this thread is sickening. What is so impressive about a grown man losing his temper and going on a profanity laced rant because someone said something that hurt his feelings?

Unfortunately there are more than a few people who behave like him, so they're not afraid to applaud others who act the same.

 

[Oni Jazar]

They said that Jaffe was a little girl trying to keep Calling all Cars, or his doll out of the garage sale bin. Basically, they called him a girl and said his game was garage sale bin material. I seriously doubt it was all for the metaphor, otherwise they would have said "not letting his game go to the shelves" or something along those lines. It was definately meant to be insulting.

I think that's reading too much into it. They just mean someone who doesn't want to let go of his baby.

 

[FirstInHell]

Unfortunately there are more than a few people who behave like him, so they're not afraid to applaud others who act the same.

I think they think that if they hug on his sack some more he will respond to one of their posts and they will have had a brush with an internet celebrity!

Putting this immature baby on a pedestal is what allows him to think it is appropriate to act like this.

 

[chase]

How does Luke feel about this?

P.S. Dyack sucks lol

 

[fanduck]

They said that Jaffe was a little girl trying to keep Calling all Cars, or his doll out of the garage sale bin. Basically, they called him a girl and said his game was garage sale bin material. I seriously doubt it was all for the metaphor, otherwise they would have said "not letting his game go to the shelves" or something along those lines. It was definately meant to be insulting.

If the rest of the article was at all insulting, maybe I'd agree with you. But if you read the entire article, the only "insulting" line was the one I quoted. Everything else was completely supportive of Jaffe's decision, and went as far as to say, "Would gamers have preferred the game be released on time with a patch promised at a later time? We're leaning towards no, given the importance of multiplayer in the game." That tells me that quote was absolutely 100% metaphorical.

 

[urk]

Craig Majaski's Review of a GC game? are you going to link me to SSX's review of MGS3 next?

I could link you you to an IGN 9.6 or a Gamespot 9.4 or a dozen other high praise write-ups of the game. I could also smash a shovel into my face repeatedly.

 

[Helzown]

They said that Jaffe was a little girl trying to keep Calling all Cars, or his doll out of the garage sale bin. Basically, they called him a girl and said his game was garage sale bin material.

Your ability to read between the lines is amazing... you can even see the non-existant. They likened him to a little girl. They suggested that he doesn't want to get rid of his project, because much like a little girl loves her doll... Jaffe loves his project.

I can see how he could misinterpret it... but he reacted like a trucker minus the professionalism and gritty charm.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

I think they think that if they hug on his sack some more he will respond to one of their posts and they will have had a brush with an internet celebrity!

Putting this immature baby on a pedestal is what allows him to think it is appropriate to act like this.

Immature or not he is one of the few people that does not resort to crazy Spin and PR speak. Which really is way more offensive to me than Swears. I would take Jaffe over any of the boring Japanese Devs that dont speak their mind and just refer to the company line.

Agree or Disagree with him atleast Jaffe speaks for himself.

 

[spwolf]

I felt that this needed to be seen again. You know, say what you want about Jaffe, but he's right this time. The only thing I can say is that sometimes, you can't with them all.

yeah, fixing 2 crucial bugs and improving one gameplay issue, and thus delaying title by an week, should be seen as positive and not negative.

He should have just said **** it, and let people buy crappy, buggy game I guess...

or he can be jaffe and care about his shit.

 

[chase]

Obviously Jaffe's behaviour isn't professional but he's never painted himself to be an example of professonalism.

This has been discussed before.

The difference is that Jaffe comes across as a likeable character, has produced good games, doesn't think he is God's gift to the industry, but has a tendency to over-react...whereas Dyack is thoroughly unlikeable, arrogant, slightly delusional, and yet hasn't delivered the games to excuse that kind of attitude.

Both are responsible for the positions they are in and Jaffe gets away with it because he hasn't tried to make himself out to be anything else.

Funny, I have the exact opposite reaction to the two of them.

 

[MrSardonic]

Jaffe comes off as pretty arrogant

:lol

It's arrogant to get pissed off when someone gives you a hard time for trying to go back and improve your game after it has been criticised? ****ed up logic.

What individual who is a professional would act in this manner?

Jaffe hasn't made himself out to be a "professional" so comparing his interaction with gamers/press that of Will Wright or John Carmack is ridiculous.

but I honestly have no interest in buying any game that has this guy's name attached to it because he is such a jackass.

I only ever buy games or movies after I've thoroughly researched the human beings responsible for their creation to make sure that they are people I'd be happy to have as friends.

They just mean someone who doesn't want to let go of his baby.

No they didn't.

 

[kaching]

It seems as though there are the people that respect what he does, then there are the people that shit all over him for basically no reason. Everyone telling him to "grow up" would feel like saying exactly what he did. They just wouldn't act on it.

I think a lot more people respect what he has done than what he is doing right now. When he was working on the bigger retail titles he seemed more capable of sticking to deadlines than he is now with smaller downloadable games. When you've got a 6-12 month development cycle rather than a 2-3 year dev cycle, delays measured in months have more significant impact on the perception of the project.

Jaffe has acknowledged that CAC has been a learning experience for him in this regard, but I don't think he's really got any justification to lash out at the criticisms until he proves with his next project that he can adjust to the shorter dev cycle correctly.

 

[FirstInHell]

I only ever buy games or movies after I've thoroughly researched the human beings responsible for their creation to make sure that they are people I'd be happy to have as friends.

Maybe you don't, but I do. There are tons of games out there so it is easy for me to choose not to give this guy money. Hopefully people open their eyes and follow suit.

 

[Madman]

Jaffe comes off as pretty arrogant and immature. He also seems to be very impressed with himself. What individual who is a professional would act in this manner? Would you ever see garbage like this coming from the likes of John Carmack or Will Wright? Jaffe's insane behavior has gotten him some attention before and now it seems as if he is trying too hard to project this persona.

Jaffe is a typical bully who resorts to shouting and intimidation tactics when someone says something he does not like. It sounds like typical internet complaining, but I honestly have no interest in buying any game that has this guy's name attached to it because he is such a jackass.

I think people need to start ignoring this guy and maybe he will go away. The amount of high fives to Jaffe in this thread is sickening. What is so impressive about a grown man losing his temper and going on a profanity laced rant because someone said something that hurt his feelings?

Let me ask, where is John Carmack and Will Wright? Are they here telling us about their next project? Are they giving insights into why problems occured in their games? Are they doing their best to keep in touch with the community? No, they aren't. Jaffe would come here and tell everyone what is up. He kept in touch with us on a regular basis and when you look at Jaffe when people aren't being dicks to him he's cool. But, every time he posted here or said anything anywhere, all the haters would of what they could to drive him away. Well, they did their job. Now, what other developer is actively talking to us right now? Denis Dyack and...? And given the way everyone is insulting to him (like Jaffe, people can't just disagree with his opinion, they have to be assholes about it) he probably won't stick around forever either. So, where's Carmack or pretty much every other major developer? Cause they sure as shit aren't openly posting here.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

Maybe you don't, but I do. There are tons of games out there so it is easy for me to choose not to give this guy money. Hopefully people open their eyes and follow suit.

so you dont buy games on Quality? nice.

 

[urk]

I get he's pissed, and yeah, he probably should be, but getting into an e-slap fight doesn't seem all that effective of a way to get his point across. I'm sure he's aware and really doesn't give two shits what I think.

Dude makes fun games and stuff.

 

[TONX]

The sad thing is this is just going to create more traffic for *******.

 

[MrSardonic]

Funny, I have the exact opposite reaction to the two of them.

So when Dyack says his game will change the world, may be the best ever, name-drops, attacks 1UP for rightfully calling out the E3 Too Human build as a piece of shit, pontificates about his vast (but actually very limited) understanding of philosophy, science and technology studies, etc while using this pseudo-knowledge to try and belittle criticisms or opinions about a GAME as ignorant ramblings...you think "what a likeable guy". Ok.

Maybe you don't, but I do...Hopefully people open their eyes and follow suit.

:lol

 

[TigersFan]

Poor Dyack. The guy actually has some interesting ideas for the industry, but his ideas have severe flaws and he keeps getting slammed for it.

Dyak is dreaming up a problem where there is none. He's bitching about it everywhere just to create some PR for his game too, which is funny because the thing he's bitching about is PR for games.

Jaffe is complaining about rating systems, which everyone already knows are ****ed up. Sticking a number on anything to describe its quality was a stupid idea in the first place.

They're different because Jaffe's complaint is about a real problem and Dyak's complaint isn't.

 

[antiloop]

Immature or not he is one of the few people that does not resort to crazy Spin and PR speak. Which really is way more offensive to me than Swears. I would take Jaffe over any of the boring Japanese Devs that dont speak their mind and just refer to the company line.

Agree or Disagree with him atleast Jaffe speaks for himself.

Exactly. He even admits when his games suck and that PS3 isn't perfect. He speaks his mind, and that is just the way he is. He never ever said that he is gods gift to the gamer.

(I think he overreacted this time though)

 

[karasu]

What a baby. Get off his jock people.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

i cant wait till Joystick calls out nintendo for SSB:B you since the originally said it was going to launch with the Wii and all.

 

[Ark-AMN]

Uh, Dyack's problem is a problem to developers, not to GAFer's. That's why there's resistance on this forum, because his ideas would deny guys here a lot of what they take for granted.

 

[SolidSnakex]

i cant wait till Joystick calls out nintendo for SSB:B you since the originally said it was going to launch with the Wii and all.

Duke Nuke'm Forever will be released before that happens.

 

[Draft]

God of Whining.

Hahahahahahaha. Get it? God of Whining? See because he made God of War and...

forget it.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

Uh, Dyack's problem is a problem to developers, not to GAFer's. That's why there's resistance on this forum, because his ideas would deny guys here a lot of what they take for granted.

His Ideas are Ideas that would benefit eveyone except gamers. His idea do not take into account the big picture. Atleast when it comes his previews argument. When he gets called out on that he simply comes off as someone not bright enough to defend himself. (not saying he is dumb..he just comes off that way.)

 

[JdFoX187]

No they didn't.

Are you just saying that because it doesn't support your theory? Just because the guy hasn't "painted" himself off as a professional doesn't mean he can't be compared to other professionals of the business.

I like God of War but there are better games. And has Jaffe even made any other games other than God of War and Calling All Cars? People on here claim Dyack hasn't made enough games to support his attitude. I don't think Jaffe has either. He's a great developer, but this is like Zach Snyder in 2004 going on national television and cussing and swearing because a critic complained about Dawn of the Dead.

The dude needs to relax and understand not everybody is going to agree with him and there are going to be people who instigate. It's like people who get mad at Simon Cowell on American Idol because he says things about the contestants nobody else will.