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Was Wolfenstien TNC rewarded in review scores for its SJW agenda?
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HaveButOneLife
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Paracelsus
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This is from Youngblood apparently.
Sweden is big on welfare, I wonder if they have some intellectual disability program for these fine people.
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highrider
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TNC was not fun. I don’t know it just felt awkward and stupid. BJ became an insufferable, mopey bitch full of regret and angst. It’s like you have an imaginative, fun premise, why are you playing this crap dead serious with pulp fiction type violence? SJW stuff aside I’ll play a game if it is fun.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
This is from Youngblood apparently.
Sweden is big on welfare, I wonder if they have some intellectual disability program for these fine people.
Amazing.
As the game wasn't shit enough yet.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It was super-over the top fun for me. I loved it.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I'll go along with the marketing rubbing the anti-PC crowd the wrong way. But Grace being a poster child. Sorry, dude but no way.
In the fictional white supremacist world that she is a character in, her attitude is perfectly just.
In that fictional world, the jew killing Nazi's have allied themselves with the white supremacist groups such as the KKK and done other horrible things to non-whites. Her entire race is on the brink of elimination in which which Americans have been willing to turn a blind eye to and worse some factions have actively participated in. The new german government has proclaimed that white is the superior race and if you're not with them you're against them. Dude, what the fuck should her attitude be?
It would be even be more ridiculous to have her not be somewhat angry.
So yeah, her attitude is a little justified. Over the top at times? Sure, just like everything else in the entire game.
Now that we have gotten that out of the way, how would you have written Grace?
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Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
You really need to stop looking into Clown World as you clearly are becoming Clown World.
Grace is not a "perfect poster child of their beliefs" and you are greatly taking things out of context when you refer to her as such. She is the product of her environment, that environment being a heavily racist, white supremacist, "master race" that pushes genocide as the go-to option. Her actions, over the top as they may be, are perfectly in line with 99% of people.
bucyou
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Wolfenstein: Youngblood's incredibly obvious Anti-Trumpism is so refreshing
We live in a time of non-politics. At least according to video game developers and their publisher sent PR handlers. A Group of ex-military terrorists overtaking part of Manhattan in an effort to bring back a "true" America, where survival of the fittest reigns? Completely non-political. A...
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Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Wolfenstein: Youngblood's incredibly obvious Anti-Trumpism is so refreshing
We live in a time of non-politics. At least according to video game developers and their publisher sent PR handlers. A Group of ex-military terrorists overtaking part of Manhattan in an effort to bring back a "true" America, where survival of the fittest reigns? Completely non-political. A...
I have not seen any "anti-trumpism" outside of one reference to a wall. Which isn't really "anti-trump" as I know plenty of Trump supporters who think the wall is a dumb idea.
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niilokin
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I played New Order on PS4 and couldn't enjoy it due to my shitty handling of console controllers. I might give it another shot on PC. My biggest issue with the new Wolfenstein is BJ being made into a sentimental huggable teddy bear and all the borderline horror occult stuff replaced with Inglorious Basterds-style humor and characters. I just saw those BJ childhood cutscenes for the first time and hearing about the bad combat and story in New Colossus, I've lost all my interest in the franchise.
I also wish developers would overcome the dead eyes-syndrome on their character models until they try to make movie-like cutscenes. The sex scenes especially are fucking cringy and add nothing to the game.
I also wish developers would overcome the dead eyes-syndrome on their character models until they try to make movie-like cutscenes. The sex scenes especially are fucking cringy and add nothing to the game.
JareBear: Remastered
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This is from Youngblood apparently.
Sweden is big on welfare, I wonder if they have some intellectual disability program for these fine people.
Of course this kidult I've never interacted with has me preemptively blocked on Twitter.
Scotty W
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Sorry for the bump, but I have been playing for a few days.
What I have quoted evades the issue. Just having a single identity is not an agenda. But having ALL the sjw concerns is an agenda. There is an ‘Intersectional’ agenda in this game.
Fatphobia, with the fat Nazi daughter girl.
Homophobia with the same girl and the reference to the decapitated head eating her out- in relation to the secret desires in her diary. She is later told “You can love anyone you want now”
Toxic Masculinity is explicitly called out by Grace.
Grace, as Malcom X has pointed out, seems to be modeled after Angela Davis a Marxist revolutionary and the student of the godfather of the sjw worldview, Herbert Marcuse.
Animal Liberation, as in the episode with the pig.
The comment about fucking whites.
With the childhood cutscenes as well there seems to be a kind of Intersectional construction of his Father: he is a wife beater, he is an anti-semite married to a Jew, he forces you to shoot your dog, and he wants to stop an interracial love affair. Are they making a checklist?
It is interesting that giving BJ these parents, they are literally making him/you an intersection between white American and Jewish, which maps neatly onto the story of the game itself, but has the structural effect of intersecting and conflating white America with the Nazis. Moreover, by bringing in the sjw agenda above, they play a neat dialectical trick, whereby all these concerns, fatphobia, animal rights become associated with opposition to Naziism. So, if you disagree, you are the Nazi.
The defensive posturing around this game is interesting. “It is just a work of imagination.” As if anyone disagreed with that, the problem is that it is trying to manipulate YOUR imagination, using those now very familiar tricks of intersectionalism and conflating your opponents with the Nazis.
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HotPocket69
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The whole advertising campaign for the game was built upon the slogan “Make America Nazi Free Again” which was absolutely a play on Orange Nazi Drumpf’s election slogan “Make America Great Again.”
BabyYoda
Banned
We definitely need more games where you kill a load of communists. It's advertising slogan could be "make America Commie free again".
The 2nd game felt stupid and the long cutscenes where boring, characters where annoying and the whole tone of the game felt silly compared to the 2014 game. Plus the final scene was pure cringe. Look up a comparison between the endings of both games, it's as if they hired some twitter warrior to write the scene.
Scotty W
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Now that you mention it, that is an amazing idea. The Death of Stalin meets Wolfenstein.
EDMIX
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lol agreed!
I had no issue with the game, I personally loved it. Bumping this thread got me wanting to run thru it.....again.
PleaseWaitStation4
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Edit: Thought this was for YB
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A Rifter in Space
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I'll believe there isn't an agenda when tankies stop screeching when any game even whiffs of being able to kill communists. Not my fault some people here are too ignorant or biased to get it.
Nocturno999
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Yes. The indoctrination attempts were insane in TNC.
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ShirAhava
Plays with kids toys, in the adult gaming world
If you actually played the game you'd know what people are referring to
JoeBudden
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Wolfenstein TNC always felt wildly overrated for what it actually was. I think it's because the plot was executed so well (which is rare in gaming, let alone shooters) and the graphics were insane, because the game itself was shallow, repetitive, clunky, and full of difficulty spikes.
Scotty W
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Sigrun’s Diary:
I've been crying all night, mother embarassed me terribly today! and only two days frim my 15th birthday.
There was a ceremony for the league, I was standing in line with the rest of the girls. Mother was standing next to me, like everyone else’s mother. This may sound very silly, dear diary, but I had no idea there was a celebrity visiting the ceremony! Then I saw this little man, a very, very small and slouching man, at the end of the line shaking hands with girl of the league, and I saw that he was coming towards mother and me.
Mother looked at me and whispered:
“Sigrun. Suck your cheeks in. Like this.”
Then she made a stupid face and ducked her cheeks in. Dear diary, she looked very silly indeed. And I said:
“Why mother?”
“Because you are obese. Suck them in.”
I know how she gets when I disobey her. Calling me names. Commenting on my weight, which I am honestly struggling with every day. So I tried, very, very hard, to do what she said. I don’t think it was working very well.
Anyway, the tiny man shaking hands stopped in front of me, looking straight into my eyes and I looked up into his squinting, strange eyes and realized I was standing before the Fuhrer himself! At first, I was mortified. I just looked at him like an idiot. Then I felt my mother kicking my leg, very hard. So I threw my arm up in a salute and shouted: “Heil Hitler!” as loud as I could.
And he gave me a strange smile and casually salute me back. It made me relax a bit. And then he said;
“ A bit plump around the cheeks are we?”
I thought I was going to start crying. Then he looked over like she was going to strangle a goose. I’ve seen that look many, many times.
“Heil Hitler!” Mother said, repeating the procedure. The Fuhrer said:
“You have a beautiful daughter Obersturmbannfuhrer Engel. But remember. An unhealthy body is a sign of a weak mind. I suggest you send her to a weight loss clinic before her health degenerates further.”
Or something like that. And Mother said:
Yes, mein Fuhrer. It’s just a teenage phase.”
“Yes, yes.” He said, immediately losing interest in me and mother and continued down the line of girls.
Mother looked at me. I tried to suck my cheeks in, but now I started crying quietly. So she slapped me. A quick sharp slap across the face. I started bleeding from the nose.
Anyway, that was my day. I think I will listen to some music now before I go to sleep.
(Sigrun has drawn a great number of hearts and eyes with tears pouring out of them at the end of the journal entry.)
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Intersectional fat activism. Sjw pity porn. In Wolfenstein. Disagree and you are Hitler.
All through this thread people keep using the same mot and bailey tactic:
A: I have a problem with the sjw propaganda in this game.
B: Why do you have a problem with shooting Nazis?
A: I don’t- that’s why I play Wolfenstein. I just have a problem with the sjw propaganda.
B: So you support the Nazis?
etc etc ad infinitum
eyesabitdull
Banned
This is a NECROBUMP thread.
You're replying to an OP from a few years ago.
Scotty W
Gold Member
But I just bought it.
This is a NECROBUMP thread.
You're replying to an OP from a few years ago.
kiphalfton
Gold Member
Just started TNC and the character models are a downgrade from TNO, and although I've only played the first level the map design doesn't seem great (like you mentioned).
Something about the gameplay also doesn't feel quite right, compared to the TNO and TOB. Switching weapons seems to be a bit clunkier.
Rean no Kiseki
Banned
It came right at the start of a new gen, and was the first modern AAA FPS to borrow some stuff from the golden age of FPS.
Personally i found TNO very uneven and like you said the gunplay was weirdly inaccurate for a game that wants to do away with ADS, the story and dialogue (especially BJ's monologues) were very fucking painful to listen to and cringy as fuck and I AM A JRPG ENJOYER!™.
TOB was better because it had a faster pace and more occult themes which is more in line with series heydays of RTCW.
TNC is straight up worthless and i bought it new for 19.99 3 months after release, even when you ignore the shit story and dialogue, the game is even WORSE than it's predecessor in every department! Cutscenes are longer and even MORE uninteresting, the level design is the 09 CoD clone FPS trash-tier and the leveling system is un-needed and very boring!
I tried to play this game 3 times since 2018 and i always stop mid way through.
Id was back on top with DOOM 2016 and brought back some of the magic of the golden age along with the various retro indie throwback FPSs so the impact of TNO was lessened and forgotten (kinda like the original WS3D if you think about it) when better games started to come out.
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bender
What time is it?
Doom 2016 nailed the gun play. I just hated all the trappings around it that slowed you from getting into the next encounter. I don't mind collectables and challenge rooms but having those unlock weapon, character and skill upgrades was just something I didn't want in a Doom game. Eternal turns all that bullshit up to 11. I don't think I have ever had as much of a love/hate relationship with a game ever.
GrayFoxPL
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For me it BJ Blazkowitch with his story in Poland and holding 2 auto shotguns and blowing nazis into dust.
Did not play TNC.
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Rean no Kiseki
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Dude! I started playing Eternal on my PS5 before the patch dropped Yesterday, and that's my exact feelings for the game so far (I'm playing on Ultra Violence and I'm at the 3rd priest's hideout in Sentinel Prime/AKA mission 8) but i'm leaning to the love side right now (unless they don't fix not having me continue from my PS4 save file) since i got all the weapons and settled into the game's groove.
bender
What time is it?
For me it BJ Blazkowitch with his story in Poland and holding 2 auto shotguns and blowing nazis into dust.
Did not play TNC.
I can understand the appeal but I just don't think they nailed the feel which is hard to describe. Compare that to any of Doom's shotguns and they just don't seem to have the heft or impact.
packy34
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I know this thread is 2 years old, and yes, TNC was slightly worse than TNO, but there was no "SJW agenda" to the game - unless your argument is that selling the game on the fact that you get to kill Nazis is "SJW".
Nazis are bad. Fascism is bad. It's fine to market your game on wiping them out.
Nazis are bad. Fascism is bad. It's fine to market your game on wiping them out.
GrayFoxPL
Member
Well, that's the only gif I found. I found the shotties powerful and impactful after upgrade. Literally turning nazis into minced meat from up close!
Scotty W
Gold Member
I find the guns don’t have much personality- except for the shotgun. Compare with something like Quake 1, and it is clear.
Movement in general is not that great. It feels like there are invisible walls everywhere, so that I can’t go places it looks like I should be able to go. And the design of the central hub is totally atrocious. What were they thinking?
If the game didn’t have the story dragging it down I would rate it about a 7.5.
GrayFoxPL
Member
Level design is not good, this is where we can agree.
Wait, 7.5 on 10? That's actually great.
highrider
Banned
I don’t think it has an agenda but it was kind of marketed that way. I do think it was a bad game unfortunately. Personally I’m not looking for a heavy, story driven experience in a Wolfenstien game. The violence and torture stuff seemed kind of incongruous as well. It was like fuck man I’m not trying to learn about these mufukkas inner demons and shit.
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Wrong forum mate
BabyYoda
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Or a game where you take down the CCP, sign me up!
Nautilus
Banned
I honestly thought that The New Colossus was a just a better game overall than The New Order, mostly thanks to a better story and narrative.
The New Order setting was excellent, that I felt that wasnt really that explored.Seeing people being subjugated by the Nazi and how their lives changed because of that would have been amazing, but The New Order baraly adresses that other than saying(but not showing).And the New Collosus basically adresses that issue, which was my biggest criticism with it.
SJW ruined alot of games, including the Last Of Us 2.The New Colossus was not one of them.
The New Order setting was excellent, that I felt that wasnt really that explored.Seeing people being subjugated by the Nazi and how their lives changed because of that would have been amazing, but The New Order baraly adresses that other than saying(but not showing).And the New Collosus basically adresses that issue, which was my biggest criticism with it.
SJW ruined alot of games, including the Last Of Us 2.The New Colossus was not one of them.
Scotty W
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Kind of?
An employee from Bethesda told IGN: When you have an opportunity to take a public stand against Nazis emerging in America, that’s an opportunity that shouldn’t be passed up," Hines said of the marketing decision.
Republicans are Nazis…though, confession, when the tweet was made I did kinda think that they were. How the turn tables
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Scotty W
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If only there was a modding community for this sort of thing.
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