Heimdall_Xtreme
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What do you think about From Software clones?
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Dragon_Rocks
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Soulsbourne is not just about combat. They have a unique atmosphere that no other games have been able to recreate.
gaming_again
Member
The tits are appealing but I’ve heard the story and dialogue are dreadful. Game ruiningly so.Nobody care about Code Vein
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Spyxos
Member
It had Bonfire-like function and the enemies were revived by it, just like in Dark Souls. Only there is no such thing in the Star Wars universe. That was taken 1 to 1 from Souls.
March Climber
Member
Souslike is the only genre that people put too high of an expectation onto, and then they complain when a game deviates from the formula a little and tries to innovate or do something different.
I’ve enjoyed most of the games in the OP. Why they all need to be From Software 10/10 quality just to be enjoyed by others is beyond me.
That’s not how a genre is supposed to work.
I’ve enjoyed most of the games in the OP. Why they all need to be From Software 10/10 quality just to be enjoyed by others is beyond me.
That’s not how a genre is supposed to work.
GymWolf
Member
Not on my experience, both surge looks decent and run well, the average from game runs worse than these.
Fluo
Member
A shame, really. I loved it. People like to bring up how it only had tits going for it, but it's a cheap hot take. Having a companion around was awesome, unlocking new blood codes (classes) and mixing them up for your perfect build was awesome. Once the combat clicks with you and your build starts to shine, it's a very decent souls-like, maybe even the best one. Story was okay, I mean it's anime tropey but whatever. I enjoyed it for what it's worth.Nobody care about Code Vein
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Starbuck2907
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Most of them are fun to some degree, but none really copy Souls games all that well.
Difficulty alone isn’t enough. It’s just a starting point.
If it was just difficulty, then Souls games would sort of be a ripoff of the early Xbox era Ninja Gaiden games.
As an aside, the more I play Wo Long, the more I see that they were at least trying to put their own spin on it.
Difficulty alone isn’t enough. It’s just a starting point.
If it was just difficulty, then Souls games would sort of be a ripoff of the early Xbox era Ninja Gaiden games.
As an aside, the more I play Wo Long, the more I see that they were at least trying to put their own spin on it.
March Climber
Member
There are people here who liked and enjoyed the game including myself. I think
Heimdall_Xtreme
either really doesn’t like it or was just trying to bait the people who do like it.
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tusharngf
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Nobody care about Code Vein
levels were plain simple and nothing about game felt like we are playing a soulsborne title
TrueLegend
Member
Oh you poor child. Lara is still the queen. Uncharted is much more combat based but Tomb Raider is about exploration. Shambala was never that exiting. And no uncharted games are match of classic TR.No because Uncharted 2 is still the best Tomb Raider game ever made
The Cockatrice
Member
In level design none of them surpassed From. In gameplay Nioh 2 managed to do it. In story, a lot of them do it cuz souls lore is just garbled nonsense that fans want to believe its some mindblowing shit. Graphically wise, eh not really even tho Souls engine is kinda trash and it shows its age in Elden Ring but the art style of its outdated graphics carries their entire games. Audio wise? Eh its a toss up.
GymWolf
Member
Surge saga level design beats ds2 at the very least.
If you played it, you know.
They are the second best level design wise after from by a landslide from the third place.
The Cockatrice
Member
I loved the first Surge and the second was decent too and while the level design in those games is high on the list, From games have more depth to them, while the Surge feels more like just quick shorcuts. In Souls games you can see most zones in the background that you can reach and it feels overwhelming. Never felt that with Surge, but still, good attempt.,
GymWolf
Member
I felt overwhelmed in surge 2 tbh, so many routes and it is interconnected AF.
It's the only clone that gives me that From feeling.
March Climber
Member
This is one of those threads where I’m really relieved that GAF isn’t the majority opinion on the matter.
Do you know how dead the video game industry would be if we acted this way with other genres?
Like saying “only Blizzard is allowed to make ARPGs” and then suddenly games like Titan Quest, X-men Legends, Torchlight, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Path of Exile, Fallout 1 and 2, etc. would all be seen as worthless games because they aren’t made by Blizzard and don’t do things exactly the way Blizzard would do them.
That would be unbelievable.
Do you know how dead the video game industry would be if we acted this way with other genres?
Like saying “only Blizzard is allowed to make ARPGs” and then suddenly games like Titan Quest, X-men Legends, Torchlight, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Path of Exile, Fallout 1 and 2, etc. would all be seen as worthless games because they aren’t made by Blizzard and don’t do things exactly the way Blizzard would do them.
That would be unbelievable.
There are a lot of clones. I watch Iron Pineapple's videos of him playing Souls clones. Some are barely clones, while others are pretty blatant, some of them do look pretty decent though, but lack the art, finish, animation and polish of FromSoftware, so no matter how cool they seem, they always come off as 'lesser'.
BbMajor7th
Member
The Souls approach is so openly formulaic that cloning them really shouldn't be such a challenge. Salt and Sanctuary came closest, in my mind, but Souls clones have made me increasingly certain that a goodly number of developers don't actually play games. There's no other explanation for it: most players can immediately tell if something is off, but developers, after hundreds of hours with the game, can't tell that the combat is lame and woolly or the level design is boring, or if the enemies are annoying or repetitive.
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Kataploom
Gold Member
So far I've enjoyed all of the ones I've played:
Jedi Fallen Order
Darksiders 3
Mortal Shell
Code Vein
Currently on Nioh so I'll let you know if I end up hating it.
I was enjoying Lords of the Fallen until I went out of the first monastery area to one where you could see the sky and the camera gave strong motion sickness due to the wobbling it has, I tried continuing a little until getting used, I tried putting it aside for some hours and then try again, I tried finding a mod to remove the (d)effect, I tried going into some .ini file to see if I could remove it myself, etc. I just couldn't, it's WAAAAAAAAY too pronounced and instead of getting used to it I felt I was noticing it more and more... It's sooooo badly done, other games have some camera movement on walking but I've only noticed it there, I think I would have enjoyed the game a lot if it wasn't for it...
Edit: Oh, I tried "The Surge" but the game felt so... bland and uninspired... Also "meh, guns and shooting", so I just left it after the first tutorial mission, I just can't "feel it", guns and shit are almost always on my bottom list, except for some stuff like Remedy games.
Jedi Fallen Order
Darksiders 3
Mortal Shell
Code Vein
Currently on Nioh so I'll let you know if I end up hating it.
I was enjoying Lords of the Fallen until I went out of the first monastery area to one where you could see the sky and the camera gave strong motion sickness due to the wobbling it has, I tried continuing a little until getting used, I tried putting it aside for some hours and then try again, I tried finding a mod to remove the (d)effect, I tried going into some .ini file to see if I could remove it myself, etc. I just couldn't, it's WAAAAAAAAY too pronounced and instead of getting used to it I felt I was noticing it more and more... It's sooooo badly done, other games have some camera movement on walking but I've only noticed it there, I think I would have enjoyed the game a lot if it wasn't for it...
Edit: Oh, I tried "The Surge" but the game felt so... bland and uninspired... Also "meh, guns and shooting", so I just left it after the first tutorial mission, I just can't "feel it", guns and shit are almost always on my bottom list, except for some stuff like Remedy games.
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
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I don't think anyone is cloning the studio From Software.
And From Software games aren't all so incredible that they're unapproachable by other devs attempts at making games in the same genre.
E.g. to me, Monster Hunter games are infinitely more fun and playable than From Software's stamina-based combat games. Outside of the combat and aesthetics, I don't find much else compelling about From Software's soulslike games.
And From Software games aren't all so incredible that they're unapproachable by other devs attempts at making games in the same genre.
E.g. to me, Monster Hunter games are infinitely more fun and playable than From Software's stamina-based combat games. Outside of the combat and aesthetics, I don't find much else compelling about From Software's soulslike games.
Kataploom
Gold Member
I LOVED it, hell, I still listen to its soundtrack, it's so supreme! But yeah, you won't see many here care for anime stuff unless to shit on it because "oh no, animu in my soup!"... The game was SOLID to me, hell, I'd say it's my favorite of the list and I liked the others a lot too. I've seen many shit on it because they literally expected "Dark Souls but anime" and nope, sorry, it's its own thing, you gotta play it by its own rules.Nobody care about Code Vein
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
What did Fallen Order clone from From?
I have tried a few. Mortal Shell, and Code Vein, I abandoned quickly. They never clicked with me.
I played Lords of the Fallen, but abandoned it after a few hours.
Hellpoint is janky, but had good level design, imo.
I don't think Fallen Order is a Soulslike per se, but it's decent.
Is Darksiders 3 a soulslike? I beat it, and found it to be an okay game, but it's my least favorite of the series (1-3).
I played Lords of the Fallen, but abandoned it after a few hours.
Hellpoint is janky, but had good level design, imo.
I don't think Fallen Order is a Soulslike per se, but it's decent.
Is Darksiders 3 a soulslike? I beat it, and found it to be an okay game, but it's my least favorite of the series (1-3).
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GymWolf
Member
Hollow knight is more of a metroidvania.
Spyxos
Member
It had Bonfire-like function and the enemies were revived by it, just like in Dark Souls. Only there is no such thing in the Star Wars universe. That was taken 1 to 1 from Souls.
And as Ansphn said: Because it's heavy on parry and you lose upgrade points (Souls) when you die and you have to go get it or it's lost forever.
cinnamonandgravy
Member
none're as good, but nioh is fun.
star warts was better than i thought itd be.
star warts was better than i thought itd be.
Badlucktroll
Member
My guess is that if Konami is doing a new Castlevania, its an outsourced Nioh/Souls clone
Laptop1991
Member
Reminds me of the GTA clones back in the noughties, well they never beat GTA back then, so i'll have to assume no.
AngelMuffin
Member
I dont
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
So From games are Zelda OoT clones? Combat with lock-on, shield, parry, rolls...
Spyxos
Member
You are describing a standard game mechanic that has been around for a very long time. And it is not comparable at all.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Except it's not standard and and started with OoT, so by your logic From games are OoT clones. And these games are more OoT clones than FROM games clones.
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Spyxos
Member
Lock on might have been invented by Zelda. Parry already existed before that. What do you mean by shield? Block with a shield?
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