Guantletfans love for MGS4.
"I'm calling you out for declaring a title a technical showcase when it really isn't."
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"Dynamic shadows are hardly anything new, and they have been done better. Similarly, lighting a normal mapped face with a dynamic light source is hardly pushing new grounds in terms of technology."
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"We could talk about standard features which MGS doesn't have - ambient occlusion baked into the environments for one, or any complex environment shaders on surfaces in-game. Normal maps are clearly generated using a 2D image cool, and the poly-count on props and objects is very low."
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"How is it a technical marvel when it moves substantially less polygons than many other titles, consistently suffers from slowdown (sub 30fps) and has jagged, pixelated shadows? You can call it a marvel of art direction, but a technical marvel it certainly is not. (Also, a true technical marvel would not require an install every time you want to replay a level, but I digress..)"
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"It impresses in cutscenes, but in-game it's not up there with the best this gen has offered."
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"No. I finished MGS 4 this weekend and there are many action titles with better gameplay already on the market, and there will be many to come this year."
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"MGS 4 doesn't come close to Uncharted in terms of tech, they are like a generation apart."
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"MGS 4 is open to exactly the same criticism as this Bond title - MGS as a game is stunning, yet if we take a critical approach it suffers from poor lighting, simplistic environment geometry, lack of (or very basic) shader usage and low texture resolution, yet stating these things is taboo on this site."
All the above were from the first page of his post history.
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But in regards to Ghost Buster.
"This looks really, really good. Very impressed."
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In regards to Call of Duty: World at War.
"Trailer looks great, certainly better from a technical perspective than several big titles everyone has been gushing over on this forum."
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To COD4.
"I'd put COD 4 up there with Uncharted and Ratchet. There are several moments where it can look indistinguishable from real life."
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Dead Space.
"Looks gorgeous in motion, can't wait for this game. Neogaf keep on hatin..."
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Bourne Conspiracy.
"This game looks really gorgeous in places.. the first level, walking around the french bars and cafes, amazing stuff - great sound design too. The game itself is proving a lot of fun"
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Lost Via Domus.
"Graphically it had some stunning moments (best looking Jungle environments on a console, IMO)"
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Uncharted.
"Oh hell no. :lol
Uncharted was a fun game but had typically abysmal videogame-level storytelling and cardboard characters."
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God Hand.
"Game is trash"
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F1 Championship PS3.
"The last F1 game on the PS3 was abysmal."
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Crackdown and Rataouille.
"Crackdown is the best platformer of the past few years.
Ratatouille was actually pretty good.. ridiculously hard though (just try the demo)"
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Jab at GT5P
"Yep. This is the first true 'next gen' looking racer, those replays look like CG in many instances."
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Heavenly Sword.
"I've yet to play this game all the way through, but I do remember this being hyped to the high heavens by GAF when it came out. So no-one likes it now?"
Other MGS4 comments.
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"Summary of this thread: EDGE give game I don't like a 10, EDGE's reviews standards must have changed.
EDGE's standards haven't changed, games have. There's a lot more high quality software around..."
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"So Eurogamer and Edge are lambasted for being 'worthless' and 'not to be trusted' but everyone puts credence in Famitsu, the giant advertising pamphlet, now?
:lol Oh, Gaf"
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"How so? it obviously isn't pushing the machine from a technical perspective.. aliasing problems, simple shaders and poly counts. "
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"GRID has always been a day one purchase for me, but it's great to see it getting these spectacular reviews, congrats Codemasters. MGS 4 always seemed like an '8' to me"
And all the above comments (second batch) are from the first 3 pages of his post history.
Anyone notice a pattern? :lol I really think he needs to give the MGS4 (or PS3 exclusive) bashing a rest. I wish he'd offer the same level of leniency or optimism to PS3 exclusives as he does other games.
"I'm calling you out for declaring a title a technical showcase when it really isn't."
--
"Dynamic shadows are hardly anything new, and they have been done better. Similarly, lighting a normal mapped face with a dynamic light source is hardly pushing new grounds in terms of technology."
---
"We could talk about standard features which MGS doesn't have - ambient occlusion baked into the environments for one, or any complex environment shaders on surfaces in-game. Normal maps are clearly generated using a 2D image cool, and the poly-count on props and objects is very low."
---
"How is it a technical marvel when it moves substantially less polygons than many other titles, consistently suffers from slowdown (sub 30fps) and has jagged, pixelated shadows? You can call it a marvel of art direction, but a technical marvel it certainly is not. (Also, a true technical marvel would not require an install every time you want to replay a level, but I digress..)"
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"It impresses in cutscenes, but in-game it's not up there with the best this gen has offered."
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"No. I finished MGS 4 this weekend and there are many action titles with better gameplay already on the market, and there will be many to come this year."
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"MGS 4 doesn't come close to Uncharted in terms of tech, they are like a generation apart."
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"MGS 4 is open to exactly the same criticism as this Bond title - MGS as a game is stunning, yet if we take a critical approach it suffers from poor lighting, simplistic environment geometry, lack of (or very basic) shader usage and low texture resolution, yet stating these things is taboo on this site."
All the above were from the first page of his post history.
---
But in regards to Ghost Buster.
"This looks really, really good. Very impressed."
---
In regards to Call of Duty: World at War.
"Trailer looks great, certainly better from a technical perspective than several big titles everyone has been gushing over on this forum."
---
To COD4.
"I'd put COD 4 up there with Uncharted and Ratchet. There are several moments where it can look indistinguishable from real life."
---
Dead Space.
"Looks gorgeous in motion, can't wait for this game. Neogaf keep on hatin..."
---
Bourne Conspiracy.
"This game looks really gorgeous in places.. the first level, walking around the french bars and cafes, amazing stuff - great sound design too. The game itself is proving a lot of fun"
---
Lost Via Domus.
"Graphically it had some stunning moments (best looking Jungle environments on a console, IMO)"
---
Uncharted.
"Oh hell no. :lol
Uncharted was a fun game but had typically abysmal videogame-level storytelling and cardboard characters."
---
God Hand.
"Game is trash"
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F1 Championship PS3.
"The last F1 game on the PS3 was abysmal."
---
Crackdown and Rataouille.
"Crackdown is the best platformer of the past few years.
Ratatouille was actually pretty good.. ridiculously hard though (just try the demo)"
---
Jab at GT5P
"Yep. This is the first true 'next gen' looking racer, those replays look like CG in many instances."
---
Heavenly Sword.
"I've yet to play this game all the way through, but I do remember this being hyped to the high heavens by GAF when it came out. So no-one likes it now?"
Other MGS4 comments.
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"Summary of this thread: EDGE give game I don't like a 10, EDGE's reviews standards must have changed.
EDGE's standards haven't changed, games have. There's a lot more high quality software around..."
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"So Eurogamer and Edge are lambasted for being 'worthless' and 'not to be trusted' but everyone puts credence in Famitsu, the giant advertising pamphlet, now?
:lol Oh, Gaf"
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"How so? it obviously isn't pushing the machine from a technical perspective.. aliasing problems, simple shaders and poly counts. "
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"GRID has always been a day one purchase for me, but it's great to see it getting these spectacular reviews, congrats Codemasters. MGS 4 always seemed like an '8' to me"
And all the above comments (second batch) are from the first 3 pages of his post history.
Anyone notice a pattern? :lol I really think he needs to give the MGS4 (or PS3 exclusive) bashing a rest. I wish he'd offer the same level of leniency or optimism to PS3 exclusives as he does other games.
