Jaguar Victory
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What is the best RTS of all time?
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Fbh
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Dawn of War III is totally hectic
That looks great!
Will definitely check it out
Thx.
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OmegaSupreme
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longdi
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Dawn of War III is totally hectic
the awful reviews are spot on though.
dow3 is bad, and i think the gifs are pre-render using ingame engine.
play coh2 if you want something similar but tons better. the game is still being tweak today.
neogaf used to play coh1 together in the old days
Heimdall_Xtreme
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which RTS games are of the best for E-Sports?
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BlackTron
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I used to swap replay files with friends using file transfer on AIM. Wow those days are SO long gone.
BlackTron
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I actually agree that the mission design in SC2 tends to be more engaging, but meanwhile the story is horrible. In SC1, I liked the story so much it motivated me through all the sometimes dragging gameplay. SC2 took a dump on all my favorite characters, to me it was worse than Phantom Menance. I've only completed Wings of Liberty despite SC/BW being one of my favorite games of all time.
But BW's multiplayer was unbeatable, the many LAN parties we had playing FFA's and all the UMS games like Zone Control and Evolves were priceless. I knew as soon as it was announced that SC2 wouldn't have a LAN mode that they failed at my second most anticipated game of all time (the first was Twilight Princess, which was also bad).
I think SC2 is a nice shiny polished modern take on SC that's easier to play, and doesn't totally ruin the series, but in my opinion it lacks the charm that made the first one timeless. An example that comes to mind is the original Lion King vs. the new realistic one.
German Hops
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BigBooper
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Red Alert 2 for best RTS.
Best sound is a three way tie because I couldn't decide WH40KDOW2, AOE2, and Red Alert 2. RA2 has Tanya shaking her tits, Yuri's psycho taunts and the best music of all. Warhammer has the orcs and the Eldar, which are voiced excellently. AOE2 has sheep.
Best sound is a three way tie because I couldn't decide WH40KDOW2, AOE2, and Red Alert 2. RA2 has Tanya shaking her tits, Yuri's psycho taunts and the best music of all. Warhammer has the orcs and the Eldar, which are voiced excellently. AOE2 has sheep.
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mcz117chief
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The reviews are negative because when the game launched it did two things, one very wrong and one not really wrong.
The one wrong thing it did is that it had in-game unlock system for special units and abilities, effectively making your army objectively worse if you didn't play a fuck ton of games leaving you at a massive disadvantage against people who play more. Luckily this is no longer the case and the whole system has been scrapped and now you got access to all units from the start.
The other thing is that it tried to not be so hero focused like Dawn of War 2 which was basically a mini MOBA with its very limited unit count and huge focus on heroes, leveling them, buying them items and focusing on their abilities. They toned that down a lot so now heroes don't level or get gear and are pretty much like they were in Dawn of War 1 only much stronger and more impressive overal.
The weakest point of Dawn of War 3 imo is the music, which is just incredibly unremarkable. Another letdown is how the campaign constantly shifts from one race to another where every mission feels like a tutorial reminding you almost everything in case you forgot it from two levels before (you are constantly going human-ork-eldar until the end). The story itself is quite decent and lady Solaria is one of the better characters in Dawn of War but the constant switching is annoying as hell and makes the campaign feel incredibly disjointed. The missions themselves are pretty decent actually and the writing is quite funny especially for the Orks.
I would suggest reading through this page, it gives you perspective from both sides of the aisle.
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RebellYell
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Alien vs Predator Exctinction
Tschumi
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10 points brother
Fuuu my "will i won't i" goes on, but you have definitely tilted it
DelireMan7
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I have played a lot in PvP (1v1 and 2v2) Warcraft 3 TFT and Starcraft 2 WoL/HoS.
I tried offline Age of empires 2, C&C.
So my experience is pretty limited.
Still my vote goes for Warcraft 3. I love the heroes system and the heavy micromanagement needed for the game.
Starcraft 2 was nice but much more oriented on macromanagement and economy. Still the uniqueness of the races is a nice feature. I loved the Zerg larva system.
I tried offline Age of empires 2, C&C.
So my experience is pretty limited.
Still my vote goes for Warcraft 3. I love the heroes system and the heavy micromanagement needed for the game.
Starcraft 2 was nice but much more oriented on macromanagement and economy. Still the uniqueness of the races is a nice feature. I loved the Zerg larva system.
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Tschumi
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I'll raise you red alert
"Manouvers in progress"
"Ve vill bury them"
"Riding high, steady glow"
"ssShake it baby!"
But yeah, love DoW
Soulblighter31
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Supreme Commander, obviously. So few votes though. Rise of Nations probably second, Company of Heroes, Dark Crusade.
mcz117chief
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You can get it on G2A for like 5 dollars or you can buy it on steam and refund it if you found it to be tripe.10 points brother
Fuuu my "will i won't i" goes on, but you have definitely tilted it
Vindicator
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King_Mandu
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Total War: Warhammer Mortal Empires. Nothing even comes close to the scope or faction variety. It has become one of my favorite games.
Bragr
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You are missing Sins of a Solar Empire & Star Wars: Empire at War in terms of the big ones. Maybe even Grey Goo and Empires of the Undergrowth, although those obviously can't stand up to this list.
Historically, I think the original StarCraft gotta be the best, it had 3 fantastic meaningful and deep factions, with a good campaign and a legendary multiplayer suite. It also was just better balanced and structured than any other RTS for ages.
In terms of what plays the best now, StarCraft II is the top, with Company of Heroes 2 right behind IMO. Supreme Commander still plays well, as do Sins of a Solar Empire. Total War obviously got many entries that still hold up, but Total War is not a pure RTS so I'm usually not putting it into this category.
Historically, I think the original StarCraft gotta be the best, it had 3 fantastic meaningful and deep factions, with a good campaign and a legendary multiplayer suite. It also was just better balanced and structured than any other RTS for ages.
In terms of what plays the best now, StarCraft II is the top, with Company of Heroes 2 right behind IMO. Supreme Commander still plays well, as do Sins of a Solar Empire. Total War obviously got many entries that still hold up, but Total War is not a pure RTS so I'm usually not putting it into this category.
Tschumi
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Definitely a fantastic game, but not really an RTS.. you can play mortal empires in Warhammer 2 and get the additional lands and factions.. even bigger scope and variety <3
killatopak
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Red Alert
TheDreadLord
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Warcraft 3, most likely. Great mechanics and history.
King_Mandu
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Fair point. It was in the poll so I had to give it a shoutout. Can't wait until WH3 releases...need Chaos Dwarfs bad.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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CTRL + F “Battlezone II”
OP FAIL!!!!!!
OP FAIL!!!!!!
dusty_cookies
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Warcraft 3 + tft. Just too much fun to be had with UMS.
Others that i feel deserve a mention.
Metal Fatigue
Homeworld
Original War
Others that i feel deserve a mention.
Metal Fatigue
Homeworld
Original War
BigBooper
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But what does your pointer finger say?
llien
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Still watching GSL league game son https://sc2casts.com/ so, doh, Starcraft II... or Starcraft:BW.
Hudo
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Battle Realms for left pointer and Rise of Nations for right pointer.
.Pennywise
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Hot damn, didn't expect so much response regarding RTS in NeoGAF. Isn't there an RTS OT or shall we make one?
CrustyBritches
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Empires: Dawn of the Modern World. Love the MP mode and being able to setup quick, custom battles versus players or CPU controlled.
Krappadizzle
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The lack of Total War votes is disappointing.
darth.shrimp
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Since this thread is all about RTS; does anyone remember one from... the early 2000's I think, where a bunch of scientists travelled to an alternate prehistoric world? The three factions were the "good guys" with herbivorous dinosaurs, "bad guys" (nomads with a generic Orient theme) with carnivorous ones, and a third faction (Nords-like iirc) with prehistoric mammals like mammoths etc.
It was pretty shit but the setting was fun.
It was pretty shit but the setting was fun.
Soulblighter31
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Paraworld
darth.shrimp
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Ah yes, that's the one, thanks!
Mozzarella
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1. Warcraft 3 + The Frozen Throne: One of the best and most influential expansion, the game as a whole is very fun. Also this game created the whole MOBA sub-genre of Dota and League of Legends, the lore of those games is based on Warcraft. The DLC/Expansion is my 2nd favorite expansion of all time.
2. Starcraft + Broodwar: As an RTS without factoring influence and legacy this one takes the cake, its also the face of RTS Esports scene, incredibly deep game.
3. Age of Empires 2: This 3rd spot was between AoE and Red Alert but i decided to go with AoE as it was one of the main reasons i was interested in History during high school, it made me want to learn more about empires and cultures. The game also was fun to play. I like the third one too but the second is the best of them all and the expansion was sick too.
Great genre, but its dead now. MOBA is the simplified version and its very popular. League of Legends/Dota 2 are its evolution! or should i say devolution? because the old RTS games are more deep and way better but the competitive scene is so hard that a new player cant dream of joining. Its by far the hardest competitive scene, so they made it to MOBA and now its the most popular competitive Esport ever. LOL world championship constantly breaks records in views and budget.
RTS is the chess of video games.
2. Starcraft + Broodwar: As an RTS without factoring influence and legacy this one takes the cake, its also the face of RTS Esports scene, incredibly deep game.
3. Age of Empires 2: This 3rd spot was between AoE and Red Alert but i decided to go with AoE as it was one of the main reasons i was interested in History during high school, it made me want to learn more about empires and cultures. The game also was fun to play. I like the third one too but the second is the best of them all and the expansion was sick too.
Great genre, but its dead now. MOBA is the simplified version and its very popular. League of Legends/Dota 2 are its evolution! or should i say devolution? because the old RTS games are more deep and way better but the competitive scene is so hard that a new player cant dream of joining. Its by far the hardest competitive scene, so they made it to MOBA and now its the most popular competitive Esport ever. LOL world championship constantly breaks records in views and budget.
RTS is the chess of video games.
ArtemisClydeFrog
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Starcraft, AoE 2, and Red Alert 2 were my favorites. Hard to choose just one but I'd prob go with AoE 2. Warcraft 2 waa fantastic as well.
TyphoonStruggle
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The "MOBA" genre began as a Starcraft UMS custom game called Aeon of Strife.
The lore of DOTA is not based on Warcraft. Many DOTA heroes were initially based on various sources ranging from Leoric from Diablo to Lina Inverse from Slayers. The lore of DOTA 2 is entirely new, however.
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