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What to do about The Joker?
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ThoseDeafMutes
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I would get the Joker transferred to another facility, and then arrange for a hit to take place while he's being moved through the public.
I honestly don't care if this gets me fired, killing the Joker will have saved dozens of lives.
I honestly don't care if this gets me fired, killing the Joker will have saved dozens of lives.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Someone needs to shoop up an "It's simple. We kill... the joker" pic.
The modern Joker as a character cannot be reformed. He is created to be just as elemental a character as the modern batman, and those two play out like the Ouroboros, an eternal struggle.
If the comic books were rational, the Joker would be pacified for study but they aren't. Paralyze him and he'll get a robotic suit or miraculously regrow something or he'll have faked the result or whatever the storyteller claims.
Throw him into the Phantom Zone or some place that's inescapable and somehow he'll escape.
Kill him and something will resurrect him or create a zombie version whose destruction will bring back the real life Joker for Batman to continue to struggle against.
So in theory, you couldn't actually eliminate the character so long as the writers are able to imagine a way back. However, if you do kill him, then it usually takes longer to re-appear and writers treading similar ground will eventually expand this length of time until they decide he's no longer worth it and favor another character.
This would mean that repeated and constant death would be the one of two options available in the comic book world. With that being said, there is probably a good chance if you broke the fourth wall. In that case all you would need to do is curse the writers with the help of the universes best magicians, psychics, deities, elementals, and scientists so that any writer or artist behind the Joker will keel over and die as they work on him. I'm sure that's possible somehow.
In the real world, The Joker isn't something intentional nerve damage couldn't fix. How threatening would Stephen Hawking be without a chair? Not very.
If the comic books were rational, the Joker would be pacified for study but they aren't. Paralyze him and he'll get a robotic suit or miraculously regrow something or he'll have faked the result or whatever the storyteller claims.
Throw him into the Phantom Zone or some place that's inescapable and somehow he'll escape.
Kill him and something will resurrect him or create a zombie version whose destruction will bring back the real life Joker for Batman to continue to struggle against.
So in theory, you couldn't actually eliminate the character so long as the writers are able to imagine a way back. However, if you do kill him, then it usually takes longer to re-appear and writers treading similar ground will eventually expand this length of time until they decide he's no longer worth it and favor another character.
This would mean that repeated and constant death would be the one of two options available in the comic book world. With that being said, there is probably a good chance if you broke the fourth wall. In that case all you would need to do is curse the writers with the help of the universes best magicians, psychics, deities, elementals, and scientists so that any writer or artist behind the Joker will keel over and die as they work on him. I'm sure that's possible somehow.
In the real world, The Joker isn't something intentional nerve damage couldn't fix. How threatening would Stephen Hawking be without a chair? Not very.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Drkirby said:
That's where being the Mayor comes in handy. Make a deal with someone who wants them dead, get them to set up in a sniper position where you're going to make the transfer to another vehicle, then have him plastered on the way out.
You can make arguments like "OH PEOPLE HAVE TRIED" or "ITS THE JOKER IT WILL NEVER WORK", but that's pretty much BS really. Character shields don't exist in real life, and the reason he isn't dead yet in the comics / films etc is because he's the fucking Joker and the writers refuse to kill him off.
Mama Robotnik
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Thanks for all the great responses.
I think JayDubya's won the thread with his strategy of forcing Batman to take complete ownership of the Joker using the myriad of resources at his disposal, combined with his exhibited competence. If the man can build a batcave, batmobile and batsuit, then an inescapable prison cell might in his skills.
I think JayDubya's won the thread with his strategy of forcing Batman to take complete ownership of the Joker using the myriad of resources at his disposal, combined with his exhibited competence. If the man can build a batcave, batmobile and batsuit, then an inescapable prison cell might in his skills.
Night_Trekker
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Wait for a household accident or car crash. They're more common than you think!
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Hire the Red Hood.Mama Robotnik said:
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Freshmaker said:
bingo.
TheVampire
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Cerebral Assassin said:
This.
Also wasnt there some alternative Earth where Batman was going around killing all the villians and made the world really peacefull?
MickeyKnox
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What would it matter? Anything you did would get retconned out or simply rebooted when the next writer or editor takes over
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Black Lantern Joker incoming.MickeyKnox said:
shuri said:
:lol But seriously, this. Punisher would take him out.
Joker is Batman's best villain of... what... 50-60 years? Which is kinda sad. Just goes to show that Batman needs less out there villains and more gangers and shit to beat up.
Mama Robotnik
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TheSeks said:
You so sure of this? I can see Frank driving in, mudering all the guards and putting a bullet through the Joker's head...
Only to realise that the Joker had kidnapped Frank's brother Jim three weeks ago and through a combination of syrums, electro shocks and torture, mentally broke him into believing he was actually the Joker, then covered him in Joker-style makeup and letting Frank murder him.
As Frank realises what has happened, his tears fall onto his brother's Joker makeup, wiping some of the white facepaint off the corpse, revealing the words COOL STORY BRO tatooed onto Jim's forehead.
I bet The Punisher doesn't even have a brother.
Manmademan
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Lobotomy, Castration...the guy won't have the motivation to get out of bed in the morning, much less go on killing sprees.
Failing that, if being smart is the problem- remove his capacity to think. Addict him to meth, he's not going anywhere.
Failing that, if being smart is the problem- remove his capacity to think. Addict him to meth, he's not going anywhere.
Mama Robotnik
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Manmademan said:
But these are crimes, and the Batman will come after you. The difficulty is solving the problem without breaking the law.
ConfusingJazz
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Mama Robotnik said:
Just say something about the dead parents that resulted from Joker's last murder spree, and he will go cry in his bat cave.
NotebookJ2
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Trojita said:
To be fair, Inuyasha is kinda horrible on a whole.
Manmademan
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Mama Robotnik said:
lobotomy and castration aren't crimes. There's a history of both being done legally with problem offenders, but I will admit I can't recall the last time they were used.
One would think someone as extreme as the joker with a risk that high of escape and re-offense would qualify, though.
The meth bit is just amusing.
Mr Nash said:
Dont forget the guardian angel phase.
I guess it's a fun game, but yeah, you can't get rid of him.
You see, it turns out Joker's cells are insane (ie supersane) and they'll slough off, infect some rodent or bug, which will reincarnate backwards through the wheel of karma (crazy? who are we talking about?) until he returns as a mad demiurge with limitless power.
spiderman123
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Hell yah the joker, the best villain of all time.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Generic said:
Ok, so whatever we do as mayor doesn't matter. If it's comic book rules, nothing will kill him or stop him from breaking out again. If it's real life rules, then leaving him in gaol will be fine.
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Hot Coldman
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holy shit
Best part is, there's a chance that having a pastel-yellow/pink colored magical talking pegasus pony simply ask him to play nice would work. Because that'd crazy enough that the Joker would have a hard time topping it. Of course, Fluttershy might be unavailable.
Seriously, though, I agree that a permanent Joker solution will involve Batman in one way or another. Try to kill Joker and Batman will stop you. But the only one who can catch Joker when he has escaped is Batman. Either way, it all begins and ends with Batman. So the first step is to get in touch with the Bat, unofficially, of course. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Batman has friends in the police force. He's tolerated, and most likely has several contacts on the inside. (We know it's Commissioner Gordon, but that's not common knowledge in Gotham. Even if it is, I'd not tip my hand that I know.) Set up a meeting with the Commissioner and ask him about Batman. Suggest you want to meet with Bats soon to talk Joker, and let time pass for a day or so. One evening, you'll turn around and there's Batman.
Then go with the idea that Gotham might need a supermax style jail, or at least somewhere to house convicted supervillains like Joker, Mr. Freeze, Clayface and so on, but admit that I don't have much experience in what it'd take to keep those locked up. Ask Batman if he could give recommendations as to how you keep someone like Joker locked up, including not having him take over the place.
I don't expect Batman to be that helpful, though, and since I don't know who he is, I obviously can't expect Waynecorp to fund anything. Still, plant the idea that the Mayor would be willing to help with the supervillains by building a supermax jail and that, unofficially, I like what Batman is doing. I'm sure at this point, the next time I blink, he'll be gone, but that's okay. This has no easy solution, but letting Batman know that I'm willing to try anyway will hopefully put me on good terms with the vigilante. And get me a couple dozen Bat-bugs planted in my office and home. Batman's paranoia is legendary, after all. I'll pretend I don't know.
What happens next is the dangerous part, announcing the construction of a supermax jail to house the city's most dangerous criminals. Gotta force the Bat's hand a little here. This will obviously make me a target by a lot of the supervillains, but it should also gain me a guardian Bat, with a second visit following shortly after. Then I will suggest that Batman helps design the jail, or at least come with recommendations of what is needed to keep especially the Joker in jail, full well knowing that no matter what, Joker will probably escape once in a while, but at least keep the escapes a lot rarer.
Then all that's left is to get the jail built, position myself as "tough on supercrime" for political spin and wait for Batman to haul in the Joker again for his new personal room in the new superjail.
In theory, this could work. It will take a few years, but it's probable.
Seriously, though, I agree that a permanent Joker solution will involve Batman in one way or another. Try to kill Joker and Batman will stop you. But the only one who can catch Joker when he has escaped is Batman. Either way, it all begins and ends with Batman. So the first step is to get in touch with the Bat, unofficially, of course. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Batman has friends in the police force. He's tolerated, and most likely has several contacts on the inside. (We know it's Commissioner Gordon, but that's not common knowledge in Gotham. Even if it is, I'd not tip my hand that I know.) Set up a meeting with the Commissioner and ask him about Batman. Suggest you want to meet with Bats soon to talk Joker, and let time pass for a day or so. One evening, you'll turn around and there's Batman.
Then go with the idea that Gotham might need a supermax style jail, or at least somewhere to house convicted supervillains like Joker, Mr. Freeze, Clayface and so on, but admit that I don't have much experience in what it'd take to keep those locked up. Ask Batman if he could give recommendations as to how you keep someone like Joker locked up, including not having him take over the place.
I don't expect Batman to be that helpful, though, and since I don't know who he is, I obviously can't expect Waynecorp to fund anything. Still, plant the idea that the Mayor would be willing to help with the supervillains by building a supermax jail and that, unofficially, I like what Batman is doing. I'm sure at this point, the next time I blink, he'll be gone, but that's okay. This has no easy solution, but letting Batman know that I'm willing to try anyway will hopefully put me on good terms with the vigilante. And get me a couple dozen Bat-bugs planted in my office and home. Batman's paranoia is legendary, after all. I'll pretend I don't know.
What happens next is the dangerous part, announcing the construction of a supermax jail to house the city's most dangerous criminals. Gotta force the Bat's hand a little here. This will obviously make me a target by a lot of the supervillains, but it should also gain me a guardian Bat, with a second visit following shortly after. Then I will suggest that Batman helps design the jail, or at least come with recommendations of what is needed to keep especially the Joker in jail, full well knowing that no matter what, Joker will probably escape once in a while, but at least keep the escapes a lot rarer.
Then all that's left is to get the jail built, position myself as "tough on supercrime" for political spin and wait for Batman to haul in the Joker again for his new personal room in the new superjail.
In theory, this could work. It will take a few years, but it's probable.
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