Always-honest
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Nope. People can choose what they like. But it's definitely up for debate.
You chose opinions that suited your preference as fact.
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What's the best for Xbox One .. lower graphics or lower resolution ?
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You chose opinions that suited your preference as fact.
Always-honest
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Yeah in this case it might be wiser to go for 900p and up the graphical effects and AA, like Crytek did.
Why is there so much contention as to the fact that PS4 is objectively better than Xbox One in terms of hardware?
I have neither console because I'm a PC gamer, but I felt the facts were pretty clear, and that's coming from an Xbox 360 fanboy for the previous-gen console war...
While I can agree that Ryse looks better aesthetically to me than any PS4 game thus far, this is hardly the merit of the console in question.
I have neither console because I'm a PC gamer, but I felt the facts were pretty clear, and that's coming from an Xbox 360 fanboy for the previous-gen console war...
While I can agree that Ryse looks better aesthetically to me than any PS4 game thus far, this is hardly the merit of the console in question.
BigTnaples
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Turok 2 next gen remake in Cryengine or UE4.0 is a dream of mine.
Game would be so varied and beautiful, and a great throwback to classic FPS gameplay.
Tweak the save system though....
You appear to have missed the point of the thread. Maybe re-read the OP?
Oppo
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If you use AC4 as an example – a pretty good example of multiplat dev I might add – the only scrifices the PS4 had to make were a slightly better antialiasing method found on PC, and framerate. The rez is moot since once you hit 1080p you've maxed out everyone's TV. And that's at launch.
Going forward the shorthand really does seem to be:
Wii U - low settings
Xbox one - high settings
PS4 - very high settings
For Xbox one's party I'd have to lean resolution as I think it's the thing players will notice the least, overall. And when their screenshots are reduced in size for print/web they will look comparable to other platforms.
I don't remember ever seeing a poll. Do you have a link?
thats not how facts work, my friend.
Dunno about NBA but Rivals definitely doesn't have the graphical fidelity on the One that it has on the PS4, have both versions, and sorry, no.
UnrealEck
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My comment isn't off-topic. Maybe you missed the point of my post.
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Yes, yes. We've all heard this rant from you before.
You're still ignoring my point. Lowering the resolution is also "lowering the graphics". I don't want less objects in the room, I want the same objects displayed correctly.
Beyond that, it's indisputable that graphics look better displayed at a displays native resolution. For the vast majority these days, that's 1080P.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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Clearly. Thought I was the only one to notice.
SneakyStephan
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sub native res looks blurry as shit, lower res also has way more aliasing
graphics, obviously
Never met a pc gamer who will lower resolution before he lowers his settings to get 60 fps
graphics, obviously
Never met a pc gamer who will lower resolution before he lowers his settings to get 60 fps
UnrealEck
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Yes. Glad someone shares this view.
Which is one of the things I was getting at a few replies back.
Yes. Yes I have. But thanks for the update :]
demosthenes
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These posts and the rest in this thread are pretty laughable.
Mr.Marston
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You're gonna be getting 720p on Xbone most of the time whether you like it or not.
ionicbluebird
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The PS4 has roughly 50% more "power" available.. what this means in the medium term is that most multiplats will be likely 1080pPS4 vs 900pX1, unless the PS4 is held back for parity's sake. This isn't so bad for X1 owners as to the naked eye and reasonable distance from the source 900p shouldn't look too much worse than 1080p (this implies the X1 inbuilt scalar is bypassed like it is in RYSE)
In the long term, I see many PS4 games being 900p as the graphical whizbangs increase... in that case unfortunately X1 will likely render in 720p.. however, still, 720 isn't far removed from 900.. and at least it's not 720p vs. 1080p... THAT I believe was an aberration.. the specs don't support a difference that big.
So in conclusion.. well... don't worry so much X1 fans. You will likely get all the same eye candy as your PS4 bretheren/sisterith, just at a modestly but not greatly lower resolution.
In the long term, I see many PS4 games being 900p as the graphical whizbangs increase... in that case unfortunately X1 will likely render in 720p.. however, still, 720 isn't far removed from 900.. and at least it's not 720p vs. 1080p... THAT I believe was an aberration.. the specs don't support a difference that big.
So in conclusion.. well... don't worry so much X1 fans. You will likely get all the same eye candy as your PS4 bretheren/sisterith, just at a modestly but not greatly lower resolution.
Yep you're focusing on the semantics and missing the entire point of my post and the Ops, there is no "both" in this hypothetical question, period - one or the other is what he's asking. Considering the power of the Xbox One, that's a reasonable question.
Does Quake 1 look as good as Crysis 1/2/3 at the same resolution, Y/N?
Do you even recognise the difference?, don't answer this with anything but Y/N please,...........
This relentless focus on semantics stuff is fucking pointless, we get it he shouldn't have said "lower graphics". We get the Xbox One shouldn't have disappointed a shitload of people on the internet, it did, it's weaker - we've all curbstomped it thread after thread. Everyone has had a fun little kick, it's not going to change things.
Now let's get back on topic, world items, polygons, lighting, particle effects OR resolution - that's very obviously his point.
MightyHedgehog
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Start explaining how this is clear to you. Time travel?
sleeping_dragon
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LOL. goon.gif
Kazuma Kiryu
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Holy crap, DC R1D3R is back. "Oh man, my claim was wrong, gotta retreat into fanboy drivel". Hilarious.
geordiemp
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Its called benchmarking
You get a common game between 2 systems and compare factual performance.
Except for Need for speed and the sports games, the benchmark evidence is clearly in favour of Ps4.
Games running on 1 system only can be emotively nice, but it is not a benchmark
phosphor112
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Yoooooo! Lmao.
Resolution will be dipped before graphics due to the nature of the bottlenecks in the XB1, As has already been seen, I'd suggest this is because of esram and the need for tiling a framebuffer which could choke the DDR3 bandwidth at higher resolutions as well as a lower pixel fillrate.
In the future it will probably be lower graphics and lower resolutions on games that aren't sports/Racing due to the scope of those games.
In the future it will probably be lower graphics and lower resolutions on games that aren't sports/Racing due to the scope of those games.
You're right, resolution is not only the less noticeable thing to drop, it's much much easier for the developers to do.
MightyHedgehog
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Console versions of games aren't untouched PC versions left to simply run raw on the hardware. OP made an assertion despite only having a few launch examples to back it up. I see no reason to believe there won't successful efforts made to achieve apparent parity between the platforms as has happened in every single generation up to this point where there were even greater disparities in specs derived from benchmarking.
Take away the armor reflection and Ryse is nothing special.
Yep, there's only a fixed amount of resources and some are more suited to certain things than others, on the XB1 dropping resolution is probably better due to the strengths and weaknesses of hardware, though in personal preferences I'd prefer native resolution with my TV more than a couple of effects, but it would cost more than a couple of effects on the XB1 due to the shape of the hardware.
Melchiah
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Why compare games of different generations, with aged and modern rendering techniques and effects, when we can compare multiplatform launch titles, that run on different resolutions?
NBA 2k14 is lacking AA on XB1, so that one isn't the same either.
RoadHazard
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It's not really an either-or thing. Because of the limitations of the XBO hardware, just dropping some visual effects or rendering less geometry won't magically allow the game to run at 1080p instead of 900p. To a large degree these are separate issues, it's not simply a matter of moving computational resources from one task to another.
BruiserBear
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I'd definitely prefer XB1 games to hit 1080p above all else, because that upscaler on the XB1 is a nightmare in it's current form.
FairXchange
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It's extremely noticeable to drop resolution. PC gamers can attest to this, not sure why some console gamers haven't gotten wise to it. Although often I find gaming Tvs are desperately in need of upgrading from old LCD tech (combined with a lower quality make) that obscures many of the graphical benefits the new gen brings, so that could also be it.
Edit: I also have Forza 5 for my Xbox One and it looks fantastic. Dead Rising 3 looks brutally bad in most places when upscaled and looks like a big blur when running in 720p. Native 1080p seems like the way to go, or implement a much better up scaling solution.
Which is?
Ok give some examples of games running the same on two different consoles with a hardware gap this big. I've never seen it happen but I'm sure it has since you say it has. Only way it happens is if they would reduce the superior console's graphics to match the weaker one. But that doesn't mean the weaker console didn't sacrifice graphics or resolution just that they gimped the superior version.
But yeah examples please.
fatgamecat
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Any system is going to have a visual "sweet spot" where bottlenecks are avoided and you get the most graphics performance out of the system. For Xbox that seems to be 900p resolution rather than 1080p on PS4. Which is ok because it still looks pretty good to most people.
PS4 hardware advantages:
1. ~56% more GPU teraflops (1.18 to ~1.84), depending on PS4 GPU reservation. Meaning ~50% more framerate, 720p-900p, 900p-1080p, or better AA/lighting/shading effects.
2. 32 to 16 ROPs. 32 ROPs can easily handle 1080p rendering, while 16 ROPs may lead to bottlenecks at 1080p.
3. Faster unified GDDR5 graphics memory, meaning it can take advantage of hUMA features more easily than a DDR3+ESRAM split.
4. GPGPU customizations. Games like infamous 2nd Son already handle smoke and particle effects by GPGPU compute.
PS4 hardware advantages:
1. ~56% more GPU teraflops (1.18 to ~1.84), depending on PS4 GPU reservation. Meaning ~50% more framerate, 720p-900p, 900p-1080p, or better AA/lighting/shading effects.
2. 32 to 16 ROPs. 32 ROPs can easily handle 1080p rendering, while 16 ROPs may lead to bottlenecks at 1080p.
3. Faster unified GDDR5 graphics memory, meaning it can take advantage of hUMA features more easily than a DDR3+ESRAM split.
4. GPGPU customizations. Games like infamous 2nd Son already handle smoke and particle effects by GPGPU compute.
I'd go with letterboxing. That way you lower the number of pixels that need to be drawn while still matching the native resolution of the display for the pixels you do show. This way their is no compromise on "world building" and no shitty scaling.
Other than that, it's clearly time for graphics sliders to come to console. Let the Xbox gamers pick their poison.
WeAreStarStuff
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There are some incredible mental gymnastics going on in this thread.
MightyHedgehog
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You can look at the large number of virtually identical multiplats across X360 and PS3 despite the bigger spec differences. Of course, the generation did not start that way, but it did end that way for the most part.
You apparently don't realize that the spec difference between the PS4 and XB1 is much bigger than the essentially zero spec difference between the 360 and PS3 - unless I'm somehow miss-reading your post.
I got a sleep, and when I'm awake GamesFAQ raided GAF accounts!?
C'mon people for now Ryse looks batter than anything Ps4 has launched. There are many games with same resolution, and this sounds all the Cell whining all again "because my version needs to be better for reasons you shit/lazy developers" blablabla
C'mon people for now Ryse looks batter than anything Ps4 has launched. There are many games with same resolution, and this sounds all the Cell whining all again "because my version needs to be better for reasons you shit/lazy developers" blablabla
MightyHedgehog
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Guess I don't, but there was never a time that I could recall there being "zero spec difference" between last gen consoles.
MoonLightWave
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If not atleast 1080p, lower graphics.
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