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[BibiMaghoo]

But virtual reality would give me even more self expression. I would be able to make whole worlds. Wonderful fairy tale castles and wonderful magical fairy forests and things like that.

Unless you are a skilled programmer, no you wouldn't, and that is kind of the point. You would live in a program with boundaries and visions of the people who made it. You would always - as with games now - be constrained by the work of others. The VR world concept as you see it will never exist, because it will always be software, a program or many, written as the work of others.

Life is so, so, so much more than that. You are surrounded by the work of billions of people, but not constrained by them. You are free in life in a way that can never be duplicated digitally.

 

[HolyBaikal]

You want virtual reality life but don't acknowledge the socioeconomic, political, and emotional realities that come with such a concept.

W-What do you mean?

 

[Celine]

 

[Marcel]

W-What do you mean?

You really want to live in a virtual world funded by a corporation? There will not be a nice Wozniak-type person at the helm, I guarantee it. It will be made to exploit you.

 

[Gorillaz]

But... why would it pale in comparison?

Because VR in our life time would never replicate the very random occurrences of reality. The attention to detail to pull that off is decades off

 

[HolyBaikal]

You really want to live in a virtual world funded by a corporation?

No, I want to live in a virtual world made by me. I think that some day programming will be different. And everyone will be able to make their own virtual worlds.

 

[HardRojo]

VR is great, using games as a way of escapism is not. You shouldn't replace real life with a virtual one.

 

[jem0208]

You really want to live in a virtual world funded by a corporation? There will not be a nice Wozniak-type person at the helm, I guarantee it. It will be made to exploit you.

Imagine microtransactions in VR. they could make you pay real money to buy virtual food...

 

[DoktorEvil]

But virtual reality would give me even more self expression. I would be able to make whole worlds. Wonderful fairy tale castles and wonderful magical fairy forests and things like that.

If you can't do this on paper or on the canvas, I seriously doubt you can do it in VR.

Well, I think it's going to be like the internet where you find people you have things in common with. I think there will be lots of mean people. Because sadly lots of people on the internet are very mean. But you can find nice communities. I think that having communities will be nicer than ever because you'll be able to share worlds together.

As long as I can avoid the mean people I'll be happy.

This is not a healthy line of thinking, HolyBaikal. People are not as simple as nice or mean. Humanity on a whole isn't this spectrum of nice or mean. People are diverse and have motivations way beyond being nice or being mean and this line of thinking is extremely naive. People will take advantage of you. People will hurt you in more ways than one. Even in communities where you feel safe, someone will slight you in some way, shape, or form that hurts your feelings. Be realistic here.

W-What's wrong with being around people who appreciate you and you have things in common with?

Absolutely nothing. Being around yes men and people who don't contribute to personal growth? You get stuck in this echo chamber where only your ideas are "right".

 

[Seeds]

I'm going with do what makes you happy as long as it doesn't negatively affect those around you. If that means wanting to live in a virtual world that's up to you.

All this talk about not taking real risks is irrelevant to those who don't enjoy taking risks.

 

[HolyBaikal]

Unless you are a skilled programmer, no you wouldn't, and that is kind of the point.

Well, I would like to be good at programming. But I think that programming will change. Or at least that people making their own things easier.

Minecraft is really really popular. And it lets you create your own world. I'm sure that there will be more virtual worlds like that in the future where you can make your own world. I think that someday someone will make a game or some kind of thing where you can make your own world of your dreams.

 

[LouisaFerre]

I don't think I'd find it completely viable but if you're living off of your own resources instead of depending on the care of other people, do whatever you want.

 

[Bisnic]

OP wants to live in a fantasy world and just the way of how he think this could work in a feasible way without hurting financially, physically and psychologically is a fantasy itself.

W-What's wrong with being around people who appreciate you and you have things in common with?

W-What do you mean?

By the way, "stuttering" while typing text looks really weird.

 

[HolyBaikal]

If you can't do this on paper or on the canvas, I seriously doubt you can do it in VR.

You can already do that in Minecraft. And Minecraft can be played in VR.

And I'm sure things like that will only get neater in the future.

 

[Marcel]

No, I want to live in a virtual world made by me. I think that some day programming will be different. And everyone will be able to make their own virtual worlds.

It's a nice idea. Unfortunately in the future everyone will likely be too busy scavenging and fighting wars over the finite natural resources of our world to make the visual programming language that allows HolyBaikai to do Sword Art Online. To hopelessly want something without acknowledging relevant realities seems a bit juvenile.

 

[CHC]

No, I want to live in a virtual world made by me. I think that some day programming will be different. And everyone will be able to make their own virtual worlds.

Why not a real world made by you? I don't know what age you are but it sounds like it is beyond time to take some control. You can have your life any way you want it, but not if you retreat from any kind of challenge or adversity. Hoping that one day you'll have an easy way to make an easy virtual world in which you live an easy life is not only unrealistic but unhealthy.

Picture what you want from your REAL life and begin moving towards it, I can assure you you'll be happier in the long term.

 

[HolyBaikal]

Absolutely nothing. Being around yes men and people who don't contribute to personal growth? You get stuck in this echo chamber where only your ideas are "right".

It would be our opinions, not just mine. And our ideas wouldn't be right, or wrong, but it would be a safe place where having our opinions and feelings and the things that make us happy would be safe and okay.

 

[Deadpool_X]

It would be our opinions, not just mine. And our ideas wouldn't be right, or wrong, but it would be a safe place where having our opinions and feelings and the things that make us happy would be safe and okay.

Yeah, but what makes one person happy might make you miserable. What then?

 

[Dark Phoenix]

Well, I would like to be good at programming. But I think that programming will change. Or at least that people making their own things easier.

Then get learning.

 

[HolyBaikal]

Yeah, but what makes one person happy might make you miserable. What then?

Well, I think that enough of us would have enough in common that there wouldn't be very many problems.

If someone was really mean I would avoid them.

 

[DoktorEvil]

You can already do that in Minecraft. And Minecraft can be played in VR.

And I'm sure things like that will only get neater in the future.

You're not listening or you're not understanding.

If you couldn't use a blank piece of paper to craft an elaborate, richly detailed world without any additional stimuli, how can you say without a doubt that this is something VR can do?

I don't know the entirely of programming but what I do understand is that code works within a finite set of rules. Those rules establish what the program must be and what it can't be.

What you're asking for isn't feasible.

I also especially resent the fact that you wish for the world to accept socialism so that you can sit inside and play with a VR headset all day. That's so selfish and juvenile.

 

[Marcel]

Well, I would like to be good at programming. But I think that programming will change. Or at least that people making their own things easier.

Minecraft is really really popular. And it lets you create your own world. I'm sure that there will be more virtual worlds like that in the future where you can make your own world. I think that someday someone will make a game or some kind of thing where you can make your own world of your dreams.

Why wait for someone else to do it? Go learn programming and make it yourself.

 

[Deadpool_X]

Well, I think that enough of us would have enough in common that there wouldn't be very many problems.

If someone was really mean I would avoid them.

Do you not understand how the world works? How humanity operates? The reason there is no peace on earth and never will be is because, while we all have "enough in common", people will always be divided on our differences. Your entire mindset is a fantasy, but the moment you introduce the human factor into it, it falls apart.

Also, that last statement you made sums this all up. You want to escape into a virtual world to avoid all your problems. That isn't healthy, and it's why I've been begging that you talk to someone about these problems. The world is a beautiful place with a TON of amazing people in it. You don't need to escape to VR to make life an adventure.

 

[HolyBaikal]

If you couldn't use a blank piece of paper to craft an elaborate, richly detailed world without any additional stimuli, how can you say without a doubt that this is something VR can do?

Well, I guess I kind of could. But doing it in virtual reality would be more fun.

 

[Foxyone]

Would it be more socially acceptable as long as one's use of VR didn't impede on their contribution to society through a job?

 

[mcz117chief]

The reason why I am not super hyped about VR is because there are no tectile sensations associated with it. You can't touch or feel anything, you can sit on a tree but you can't touch it, you can't feel the breeze, you can't feel the sun's warmth on you. When you fight you don't feel any feedback, you don't feel pain or anything and that totally ruins it.

 

[Polioliolio]

OP

 

[justjustin]

I'd rather just live in a real world that can contain many virtual ones. Basically, I play a lot of videogames.

 

[HolyBaikal]

Why not a real world made by you?

Well, I guess I could. But I think by the time I can create new worlds from 3D printers in space and things like that, most people will have uploaded their consciousness to the internet.

And there will be big big networks in space and that robots will do things for us while we live in virtual worlds. So living in a real world won't be very common.

 

[elhav]

Well, I think that enough of us would have enough in common that there wouldn't be very many problems.

If someone was really mean I would avoid them.

Let me ask you a question. Do you want a virtual reality as your future to have fun and meet other people who are like you, or do you do it because you think it will be a good substitute for real life?

If it is the latter, then I think you simply won't enjoy it. Doing so will mean most people in the real world would stop socializing with you, and you will lose hope of finding people that accept you as who you are in the real world. You will be bound to your fantasy. Is it really what you want?

 

[BibiMaghoo]

Well, I would like to be good at programming. But I think that programming will change. Or at least that people making their own things easier.

Minecraft is really really popular. And it lets you create your own world. I'm sure that there will be more virtual worlds like that in the future where you can make your own world. I think that someday someone will make a game or some kind of thing where you can make your own world of your dreams.

In any example you could conceive of being given the best and easiest tools within a VR realm, to make any world of your liking, you would still be bound by the work of others, those who created those tools or programming techniques, and still would be constrained by them as you are today, no matter how impressively they are made.

In any example. Minecraft is this way, and any and all future software will be this way, because of what it is. It can only ever be what is written. Even software that is self evolving and beyond anything we can conceive now, would still only function as it is written to learn. It is a paradoxical problem with complex programming. The same concept as how there is truly no such thing as random in a digital system, because that system needs to be told what random is to begin with.

 

[MilesTeg]

OP

Haha. I played that a bunch as a kid back in the day.

 

[V_Arnold]

This is not an easy topic to discuss.

I guess for me it boils down to this:
1) NO ONE who smokes, fucks up his/hero own body through various material substances and just runs from "real life" problems in a way that involves real-life stress relief systems (alcohol, partying till you pass out, drugs, prescription drugs, etc etc) has a right to call up on those who "run" to the "virtual" life. No one. Either all forms of escapes are fine or none are. (An exaggeration, surely, but "my method of coping is cool, while yours sucks is as far from ideal as it possibly could)

2) There is no such thing as virtual, though. Really.
The same argument is about the Biblical God. I think that several interpretations of the Biblical God are outdated, potentially evil mental constructs. But even if that is true, that construct has an effect on other people, because it inspires them, motivates them, works though them. So even though something is not *real*, it can have *real* effects. Same goes for "virtual reality". If your boss does not shout with you tomorrow because tonight he will have a virtual blowjob from OneechanXYZ Simulator via Oculus Rift 4.55122, then YOU will benefit from his "escape". Simple as that.

And the less frustration in *real* life thanks to the escape/coping mechanisms (Whatever that might mean for you), the better we *all* are. And that is kinda the goal, imho.

And no, not everyone will escape and society wont collapse. Before we start fearing that, let us take a look at alcohol, tobacco, and prisons, mental health facilities. Let us fix the HUGE leaks in the ship before worrying about that crack in the fourth wall.

 

[HolyBaikal]

Do you want a virtual reality as your future to have fun and meet other people who are like you, or do you do it because you think it will be a good substitute for real life?

I think... both.

Virtual reality will be a good way to meet other people I have things in common with and share a living space with. And will be better than real life. A place where people can do all the fun things they imagine.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Because it can be our imaginations. It can be everything we love and what makes us so happy. We could do those things in the real world, too. But the technology for virtual reality seems so much closer.

And virtual reality is an ability for limitless self expression. And self expression is one of the most wonderful things that makes me happy.

That is a very idealistic view. There are plenty of ways to express oneself in real life. I do it through animation. My roommate does it through acting, another does it with dance, and the third does it with graphic designs. I would never want to replace all of the hard work that goes into all of these things with a virtual world where i'm always happy, it won't fix anything. I won't stay happy forever. It would get old very fast. The reason why i'm still close to my friends despite the conflicts is thanks to those conflicts, when you learn to accept flaws it prepares ou for real life.

 

[Deadpool_X]

Well, I guess I could. But I think by the time I can create new worlds from 3D printers in space and things like that, most people will have uploaded their consciousness to the internet.

And there will be big big networks in space and that robots will do things for us while we live in virtual worlds. So living in a real world won't be very common.

Hmm...this is quickly bordering on troll territory. OP, if you have been trolling us from post #1, congratulations...this may be one of the most successful troll posts of all time.

 

[BosSin]

Try take a shit in the virtual world and see what the results are

 

[HardRojo]

OP, did you/do you spend a lot of time playing MMORPGs? They're one of the most common ways of escapism, I believe that's what you are actually after and if so, I can only tell you that life isn't as simple and the fantasy you want to live in is only that, a fantasy. The real world is a lot of fun, get to know our better. BTW, stuttering while replying to someone seriously looks somewhat weird.

 

[DoktorEvil]

Well, I guess I kind of could. But doing it in virtual reality would be more fun.

No "I guess I could". Either you had the ability to do it on paper or you don't. I don't and I respect the people who do. Those people have the ability to transfer that over to VR. They were blessed with spatial thinking and visualization I wish I had 1/10 of. Minecraft can be the blank canvas, but the rules were already defined by Notch long before I could create in this world. There is no such thing as an unlimited world. Every digital world is finite.

 

[Iorv3th]

It would be our opinions, not just mine. And our ideas wouldn't be right, or wrong, but it would be a safe place where having our opinions and feelings and the things that make us happy would be safe and okay.

Well, I think that enough of us would have enough in common that there wouldn't be very many problems.

If someone was really mean I would avoid them.

Sounds like you have some things that are happening to you in real life you are trying to avoid and/or escape.

This virtual reality dream of yours might not even happen in your life time.

 

[HolyBaikal]

That is a very idealistic view. There are plenty of ways to express oneself in real life. I do it through animation.

That's nice, I like animation. I'm a big fan of anime like Fushigiboshi no Futagohime and cartoons like My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

I would like to express myself by living in a big pastel castle with all of the things that I love and where I can do all of the things that make me happy, and invite friends. And be in a big fairy forest where all the other fairies have wonderful castles, too. And where we can all use wonderful fairy magic.

 

[Deadpool_X]

That's nice, I like animation. I'm a big fan of anime like Fushigiboshi no Futagohime and cartoons like My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

I would like to express myself by living in a big pastel castle with all of the things that I love and where I can do all of the things that make me happy, and invite friends. And be in a big fairy forest where all the other fairies have wonderful castles, too. And where we can all use wonderful fairy magic.

TROLL ALERT! TROLL ALERT!

 

[bidguy]

That's nice, I like animation. I'm a big fan of anime like Fushigiboshi no Futagohime and cartoons like My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

I would like to express myself by living in a big pastel castle with all of the things that I love and where I can do all of the things that make me happy, and invite friends. And be in a big fairy forest where all the other fairies have wonderful castles, too. And where we can all use wonderful fairy magic.

lol

 

[HolyBaikal]

I'm not a troll. That's not very nice. :<

 

[mcz117chief]

That's nice, I like animation. I'm a big fan of anime like Fushigiboshi no Futagohime and cartoons like My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

I would like to express myself by living in a big pastel castle with all of the things that I love and where I can do all of the things that make me happy, and invite friends. And be in a big fairy forest where all the other fairies have wonderful castles, too. And where we can all use wonderful fairy magic.

even though there is no tactile feedback to any of your actions ? It would all feel like playing a kinect game.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

That's nice, I like animation. I'm a big fan of anime like Fushigiboshi no Futagohime and cartoons like My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

I would like to express myself by living in a big pastel castle with all of the things that I love and where I can do all of the things that make me happy, and invite friends. And be in a big fairy forest where all the other fairies have wonderful castles, too. And where we can all use wonderful fairy magic.

Come back HolyBaikal. You are lost already.

We all want nice shit and perfect happiness. But part of who we are, by nature or design, is not having that. It is part of life, and I'm sure you are well aware of the careful what you wish for saying.

 

[elhav]

I think... both.

Virtual reality will be a good way to meet other people I have things in common with and share a living space with. And will be better than real life. A place where people can do all the fun things they imagine.

But do you think these people would still like you in real life? Say you wanted to actually meet them and go out somewhere, would you and them get along outside your fantasy?

I ask this, because I think what you desire is near impossible to achieve. If such a thing would be possible, and if it makes you happy, then I think it is okay.

But we are far from reaching such technology, and you should consider if you would even be able to realize this dream in the current time you live in.

 

[HolyBaikal]

even though there is no tectile feedback to any of your actions ?

I think there will be, someday.

 

[mcz117chief]

I think there will be, someday.

Lol, then we are talking about holodecks and not VR

 

[The Technomancer]

W-What's wrong with being around people who appreciate you and you have things in common with?

Thats ultimately an echo chamber. If no-one ever has differing perspectives no-one challenges anyone else to rethink anything and everyone remains the same