CuthbertAllgoodz
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Does not mean she has to but she can. Might do more good to herself and others than living in VR or just waiting and hoping someone else will do what she feels is needed to fulfill her life.
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What's wrong with wanting to live in a virtual world?
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Does not mean she has to but she can. Might do more good to herself and others than living in VR or just waiting and hoping someone else will do what she feels is needed to fulfill her life.
In virtual reality, I could eat pastries all day and it wouldn't be unhealthy. That sounds like so much fun.
Well, you wouldn't be eating anything at all in the real world, so yeah, it would be unhealthy...
HolyBaikal
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I.. I would like to keep my age personal, if that's okay.
DoktorEvil
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I just noticed that it's also extremely outdated.
https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims
I'd imagine the numbers to be less than 17.7 million women but also consider that the majority of sexual assaults go unreported. It's impossible to get a hard number to rely on.
neverknowsbest
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This entire thread makes me think of this quote: the greatest barrier to pleasure is not pain, it is delusion.
Think of it like this. When you're young, you live in a naive world, where your imagination takes precedence over reality, because you haven't experienced enough reality to prove otherwise. As you grow older and experience the pain of reality, your naïveté is replaced by cynicism. This is called being a teenager.
As you grow beyond that, you realize there's happiness on the other side of being a teenager, it's the adult reality of being aware of the limitations of the real world and having the strength to face them with your eyes open. It's the pleasure of creating your own reality, in the real world, not an imaginary world. This is true happiness, a happiness that is aware of and embraces the pain that inevitably comes with life.
You can't pretend you don't hurt, because then you won't address the issues that are hurting you. Pain exists for a reason, to make us aware of things that are wrong, and to help us grow. Don't try to live in a world without pain.
Think of it like this. When you're young, you live in a naive world, where your imagination takes precedence over reality, because you haven't experienced enough reality to prove otherwise. As you grow older and experience the pain of reality, your naïveté is replaced by cynicism. This is called being a teenager.
As you grow beyond that, you realize there's happiness on the other side of being a teenager, it's the adult reality of being aware of the limitations of the real world and having the strength to face them with your eyes open. It's the pleasure of creating your own reality, in the real world, not an imaginary world. This is true happiness, a happiness that is aware of and embraces the pain that inevitably comes with life.
You can't pretend you don't hurt, because then you won't address the issues that are hurting you. Pain exists for a reason, to make us aware of things that are wrong, and to help us grow. Don't try to live in a world without pain.
are you underage or an adult
HolyBaikal
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I appreciate everyone who's concerned about my health. But I'm fine and healthy. But this thread is getting.. a little out of hand.
I'm happy. I accept myself for who I am and I love myself for who I am. I don't think that wanting to live in virtual reality means that you're unhappy. But I think if people are sad that if they want to live in virtual reality, that's okay too.
I'm happy. I accept myself for who I am and I love myself for who I am. I don't think that wanting to live in virtual reality means that you're unhappy. But I think if people are sad that if they want to live in virtual reality, that's okay too.
You have no issue talking to us about your dream or VR fantasy and about calling you a girl instead of guy, but age is too personal?
HolyBaikal
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I'm an adult.
You clearly don't, otherwise you wouldn't mind having to coexist with other people in the real world.
HolyBaikal
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Sorry.. That... doesn't make sense...
OP, if you honestly believe everything you wrote in this thread so far, then I have to agree with the other posters recommending that you seek professional help. You have me seriously concerned.
Internet high five there, man.
Writing this from a country that spent half a century as a socialist republic and is still not fully recovered from the damage that was done, I shiver when I hear people preach wage equality and free everything. It just ruins societies, individuals and economies alike, and no amount of imagined utopias will change that.
Internet high five there, man.
Writing this from a country that spent half a century as a socialist republic and is still not fully recovered from the damage that was done, I shiver when I hear people preach wage equality and free everything. It just ruins societies, individuals and economies alike, and no amount of imagined utopias will change that.
Gnome Scat
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neverknowsbest
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If you loved yourself you'd be excited for other people to experience you. You'd be excited to meet people, because you'd know that the encounter would be positive for both of you. Just because you can say you love yourself doesn't mean you do.
yeah it sounds like he has serious self confidence issues if he constantly thinks about how hes perceived by others. goes to the point where he wants to escape reality i dont buy it this guy is clearly a troll
HolyBaikal
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Thank you, but I'm okay.
Knowing how sensitive you are I apologize in advance but what the flying fuck are you talking about? This has to be a troll.
DoktorEvil
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He/she is right. You need to do some serious growing up.
This is far beyond any VR conversations.
You don't have any issues being comfortable in your own skin but you'd rather live in a VR world without any reality or any "mean" people?
Listen to half of the things you've rambled on in your thread... I have no idea what you're on about half of the time.
HolyBaikal
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What did I say wrong? Why are people calling me a troll?
It's harsh but... This is a big lie, whether you know it or not. With no exceptions, happy people do not seek total escapism. If you really loved who you are then your perception of the outside world would not have such an effect on you and your willingness to be a part of it.
HolyBaikal
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Oh, I am!
I shared with everyone the fact that I wish and want to live in a fairy world. Even though people called me a troll over it...
ArtHands
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I think pain isn't entirely bad too. What makes life exciting is the experience of up and down. There's really little point to living if there's no down period and everything goes your way.
Its like playing a game where you gain full access to all the items, weapons, cash etc and all the enemies stood there waiting for you to hit. everything is handed to you on a silver platter. There's no challenge, nor will you feel any achievement to anything.
You can't fault the society for looking down on people who prefers to be in delusional and not take the hardships of life.
Its like playing a game where you gain full access to all the items, weapons, cash etc and all the enemies stood there waiting for you to hit. everything is handed to you on a silver platter. There's no challenge, nor will you feel any achievement to anything.
You can't fault the society for looking down on people who prefers to be in delusional and not take the hardships of life.
Celestial Mortal
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I just got through the first two pages...
Has anyone made the Sword Art Online reference yet?
Has anyone made the Sword Art Online reference yet?
neverknowsbest
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...in reality, not in your virtual reality dream world.
Anyway, your responses lead me to believe you're either delusional or a troll, so... Good luck with that.
Zen_Arcade
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Pain is a bad thing, but it's not always a useless one. Pain is a main way people learn lessons and grow as human beings. Now, I'm not saying that every instance of pain has a silver lining. Rape for example isn't going to teach anyone a lesson they should have to learn, and there is no silver lining to rape. But there a lot of types of pain that will help shape you as a person.
Hiding away from all of that will eventually stunt you as a person and make you so sensitive that it will limit your life in many ways, and you will probably miss out on a lot of the wonderful things the world has to offer.
You say you're happy now, but honestly it doesn't sound like you are at all. You want to be a cute girl, so obviously there are things about yourself you wish you could change. Which isn't strange in the least. Most, if not all people have things about themselves they wish to change. But making a cute girl character that represents you in a virtual world won't actually change what you want to change about yourself. It's like putting a band aid over a gaping wound. It's a quick fix so that you don't have to deal with these issues.
Hopefully I'm not coming off judgmental or anything, but it really seems to me that you're attempting to create a whole new reality where you are happy instead of trying to make the reality that was given to you the reality you want it to be.
HolyBaikal
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Please stop calling me a troll. I don't like trolls. Trolls are mean. ;_;
Compsiox
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Yes please
justjustin
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It takes hundreds of talented and skilled professionals many years to make the most cutting edge videogames these days, and the complexity of those virtual worlds are infinitesimal compared to the real one. The amount of things that must happen to take a single breath is immeasurably greater than the amount of things any event in any simulated world requires. Any virtual world would necessarily be simpler than the real one, because the real one is already here-- already required to make a virtual one. The virtual one could only ever fit inside it and never surpass the real one.
There is already plenty of great art to get lost in; plenty of ways to forget about the drudgery of real life and recharge for the next day. Living in the real world allows us to choose what art to engage in and feel differently without our existence being bound to the mathematical limitations of a virtual world. Videogames-- simulated worlds-- will continue to grow more complex and convincing to affect our feelings more strongly. There won't be any need to "live" in one when they make us feel like we do, and by remaining in the real world you get the benefit of punching out if that world doesn't suit your taste. This is true of all art. That variety and sense of discovery would not be the same in a virtual world.
It's fine to feel down about life, and it's okay to feel unhappy about your circumstances. It's those feelings that can motivate you to take different actions and change your situation. But if you only dream about living in a perfect virtual world nothing can change, because there is no action you can take to make that happen the way you imagine. I hope you can find ways to change things in the real world you already live in, and continue to find great art to lift your spirits.
edit: Okay, so you're not unhappy and want to live in a virtual world for the sake of greater possibilities and control in one's life? I'm skeptical a virtual world could offer that and the couple little paragraphs you read express why. I just don't think there's any advantage over well-expressed art that would give you the same sensation.
There is already plenty of great art to get lost in; plenty of ways to forget about the drudgery of real life and recharge for the next day. Living in the real world allows us to choose what art to engage in and feel differently without our existence being bound to the mathematical limitations of a virtual world. Videogames-- simulated worlds-- will continue to grow more complex and convincing to affect our feelings more strongly. There won't be any need to "live" in one when they make us feel like we do, and by remaining in the real world you get the benefit of punching out if that world doesn't suit your taste. This is true of all art. That variety and sense of discovery would not be the same in a virtual world.
It's fine to feel down about life, and it's okay to feel unhappy about your circumstances. It's those feelings that can motivate you to take different actions and change your situation. But if you only dream about living in a perfect virtual world nothing can change, because there is no action you can take to make that happen the way you imagine. I hope you can find ways to change things in the real world you already live in, and continue to find great art to lift your spirits.
edit: Okay, so you're not unhappy and want to live in a virtual world for the sake of greater possibilities and control in one's life? I'm skeptical a virtual world could offer that and the couple little paragraphs you read express why. I just don't think there's any advantage over well-expressed art that would give you the same sensation.
This is an excellent post.
HolyBaikal
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That's so mean. That hurts my feelings. ;_;
I didn't say I think that I can make a world like that... Or at least not like that right now. Maybe someday people will be able to make whole planets. We might have amazing technology in many years. Like, maybe dyson spheres and things like that.
I don't muchy much if it's in virtual reality or real life... that's just something I'd like to be able to do...
But it would probably be much easier to do in virtual reality. So I'm really excited about that.
HolyBaikal
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I'm not a brony, I'm a fan of My Little Pony. And you're mean and rude.
HolyBaikal
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Things are becoming too mean for me. I want to live in virtual reality to escape from things like this. This is hurting my feelings. I think I should leave the thread now...
There's another option. Growing up and stop trying to hide when your feelings get hurt. That's what makes one a well-developed, good-charactered, functioning adult.
Dark Phoenix
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This is the reality of the situation, you are currently in a virtual space talking about this. This conversation isn't happening in real life. So you could imagine, if this is already happening in a virtual space, what's to say this type of disapproval towards your ideas and meanness wouldn't happen in a virtual reality space?
DoktorEvil
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Fuck off. You don't have to be a rude prick.
Look at what you're doing right now.
You're shutting down because the slightest words someone said to you on an online forum is affecting you emotionally.
VR is going to be so much harsher than NeoGAF.
IAmRandom31
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I understand the idea and the dream the OP has.
And I'm sure many other people will experience VR and think of the same things. " Wouldn't it be awesome if we could just somehow survive inside our VR worlds? Then we could have our own paradise! Magic! Watch planets collide in the distance and never get harmed! Fly through the stars! "
Not sure why the OP is getting shit about it. Pretty common thought. Not sure about all that fairy dust stuff and all that, thats not my thing, but I get where he is coming from.
Is something WRONG with it entirely? I really don't think so. I just don't think it is possible. Unless you truly matrix'ed yourself and had something feeding you nutrients and all that.
Give it 50 years or so, and it will happen. You'll have people paying monthly fees to live in some VR MMORPG world or something. You already have people practically living inside their games even now.
And I'm sure many other people will experience VR and think of the same things. " Wouldn't it be awesome if we could just somehow survive inside our VR worlds? Then we could have our own paradise! Magic! Watch planets collide in the distance and never get harmed! Fly through the stars! "
Not sure why the OP is getting shit about it. Pretty common thought. Not sure about all that fairy dust stuff and all that, thats not my thing, but I get where he is coming from.
Is something WRONG with it entirely? I really don't think so. I just don't think it is possible. Unless you truly matrix'ed yourself and had something feeding you nutrients and all that.
Give it 50 years or so, and it will happen. You'll have people paying monthly fees to live in some VR MMORPG world or something. You already have people practically living inside their games even now.
CuthbertAllgoodz
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Four posts away from full membership, good job... A little respect goes a long way here.
I would go into detail but OP running away from reality does it for me.
Aizo
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You seem like a nice person, OP. I can't completely empathize with your opinion, but I can see why you might prefer a VR world. I hope that real life becomes wonderful enough for you to change your mind. I'm not assuming that your life isn't great, but maybe there is someone or something that could make real life superior in your eyes.
That's judgmental and rude. I don't like that show, but I wouldn't judge someone I don't know, just because they like it.
I feel this thread is a good demonstration of why VR would probably not alleviate many of the problems that the world suffers from today. People doubt and criticize others for the choices they've made and the things that they like without ever being in their shoes themselves. It's an easy thing to do.
I'm not going to pretend to be smart enough or well experienced enough in life to give a well-informed view, but in my own personal opinion derived from my own experiences, Virtual Reality would be like cheating at life. You can be anything you want, able to do anything you want, but to me at least, it would ultimately ring hollow. Whether I like it or not, reality is just that. I was born who I am, where I am and have developed how I have. I have faced each situation, made a decision, and reaped the consequences of that decision - positive and negative.
Life for me is just about doing your best with the hand you're dealt and trying your hardest to live to your ideals and reach your goals while not hurting yourself or anyone else in the process, either physically or mentally.
I don't really have any answers, but I really do hope the best for everyone I encounter. The world sometimes feels like a harsh place, but a Virtual Reality utopia sounds incredibly boring to me as well. Having everything you want instantly would make getting those things less special and memorable and being able to be whatever you want whenever you want would make you less of an individual.
On a sidenote, HolyBaikal, every time I've seen you post, you seem like a really earnest and nice person. I don't know what your life has been like up to this point, but I hope you manage to lead a happy and fulfilling life, whether the world is perfect or not.
I'm not going to pretend to be smart enough or well experienced enough in life to give a well-informed view, but in my own personal opinion derived from my own experiences, Virtual Reality would be like cheating at life. You can be anything you want, able to do anything you want, but to me at least, it would ultimately ring hollow. Whether I like it or not, reality is just that. I was born who I am, where I am and have developed how I have. I have faced each situation, made a decision, and reaped the consequences of that decision - positive and negative.
Life for me is just about doing your best with the hand you're dealt and trying your hardest to live to your ideals and reach your goals while not hurting yourself or anyone else in the process, either physically or mentally.
I don't really have any answers, but I really do hope the best for everyone I encounter. The world sometimes feels like a harsh place, but a Virtual Reality utopia sounds incredibly boring to me as well. Having everything you want instantly would make getting those things less special and memorable and being able to be whatever you want whenever you want would make you less of an individual.
On a sidenote, HolyBaikal, every time I've seen you post, you seem like a really earnest and nice person. I don't know what your life has been like up to this point, but I hope you manage to lead a happy and fulfilling life, whether the world is perfect or not.
DoktorEvil
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That still doesn't give you the right to judge her for liking a cartoon show about ponies.
The running away from reality is a separate issue entirely.
Hey, what was that game you didn't want to tell anyone about in the Steam thread and made a new Steam account because of it?
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