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[The Cockatrice]

Look what they did to the poor girl's face in RE2, the one they used to model Claire.

Oh no her instagram/online edited photo is superior to how she looks like in real life/scanned face, shocking!!!

 

[Dacon]

Oh no her instagram/online edited photo is superior to how she looks like in real life/scanned face, shocking!!!

....What? That photo is hardly retouched, that's what the lady looks like man, look at all the imperfections on her face.

I don't understand the point of this post. Just taking the piss? Of course the real woman looks better than her terrible ingame model, that's the whole point of my post.

 

[Relativ9]

Idk, like right now? Aside from a few characters in The Last of Us 2...is this really a widespread trend/problem? Even Uncharted 4 still had "female looking" females, a game also by Neil Druckmann, granted he had to work with charaters already defined by Amy Henning, but they still saw pretty major redesigns in some cases that kept their femininity in tact (Chloe).

 

[SonicVolcano]

I'm glad I grew up with women like Mona Sax.

 

[The Cockatrice]

....What? That photo is hardly retouched, that's what the lady looks like man, look at all the imperfections on her face.

I don't understand the point of this post. Just taking the piss? Of course the real woman looks better than her terrible ingame model, that's the whole point of my post.

her ingame model looks perfectly fine. Scanned faces are never 100% accurate so stop being a virgin. You're yelling at clouds my man.

 

[Dacon]

her ingame model looks perfectly fine. Scanned faces are never 100% accurate so stop being a virgin. You're yelling at clouds my man.

Lmfao, nigga are you serious? Did you read this cringe ass post before you wrote it?

You decided that the best course of action to take here was to attack me personally for pointing out the obvious differences between the appearance of this character and the model used, and still have the nerve to behave as though you some sort of highground here?

Grow up dude, it's opinions about videogames.

Scanned faces can easily come goddamn close to the real thing, almost imperceptibly close like in Detriot and Death Stranding, so not only are you being a twat here, you're also wrong.

 

[The Hamburglar]

Hey, you heard that? The Clique is calling.

Wanting feminine female characters doesn't mean you want a porn replacement in your games. That's an argument authoritarian puritans love to make every time they campaign against sexual content in video games.

What clique? I explained my position about 5 posts above yours If you bothered to read the thread instead of just the first page.

 

[Stilton Disco]

The notion that characters must be attractive to be good and likeable is plain wrong. If it were so we would’ve had Dwayne Johnson and Harry Styles playing Walter White and Jesse.
Characters are designed with a specific goal in mind, and the current trend in videogames (and it is a trend, not denying that) is realism and believability. The male characters you mentioned are believably attractive, none of them are flawless, the same way the women brought up in this thread are also believably attractive. The people in this thread take that as an attack against femininity because theres a disconnect between what they want women to be vs what real women actually look like

Bryan Cranston and Aaron Paul are in no way ugly. They're not even Hollywood ugly. Hell, there's an argument to be made that, physiques aside, Dwayne Jihnson would be a downgrade in the looks department.

We're also not talking about "real women", even putting aside that these are artistic rendering.

These are an already idealised fictional representation of women, created as characters for a specific role in a narrative.

Now if these characters were designed to be 'plain janes', the average woman on the street, then that would be reflected in more than just the character model, and more specifically in the actresses that play and lend their appearence to them.

Sure, a lot of blame can be placed at the feet of poor image capture technology, but that is hard to take as a cessible explanation when the same technology has no such issues with getting the jawlines, facial structure and physics of the male actors right, and that the obvious artistic alterations never make them more feminine, or even as feminine as the previous enturely made by hand models of existing characters.

What's more, I reject the notion that ugly is more realistic. Of all the thousands of women i see on a regular basis, the dozens I work with day after day or hundred odd that live in my village, not one has the roided up monster body of Ellie, or the weird massive man Jaw of the lead from control.

Honestly, this arguement that realistic depictions of women have to be ugly or that women can't be beautiful and taken seriously, or that women that men find attractive detracts from a story, is just grossly sexist.

Beauty is an undeniable positive trait, and anyone arguing against it, or trying to shame the overwhelming majority of normal people who desire it, has serious issues. It's an unnatural and psychologically unhealthy view to have of the world and women.

 

[cireza]

Don't buy a game if you don't like the characters or story ? That's what I do.

I did not buy Control, might have if the main character was more attractive. Being 100% honest here. I just don't want to spend tenths of hours playing a game with unattractive characters, and this of course includes men as well.

I actually had a difficult time getting into Steins Gate because of how much I don't like the main character, it eventually clicked, but I still don't like him much.
I love Ninja Gaiden 3 RE but if Hayabusa was ugly as fuck, obviously, I would not want to play the game.
Or make characters like Samus or Master Chief, which are in armor, so it is the armor design that becomes important.
Or let the player make his own character, I love this. Code Vein has an awesome character editor.

The question is always the same : do I like what I see ? Be it woman, man, person in armor or whatever. If the answer is no, then the chances for me to play the game are slimmer.
Who wants to play as ugly characters ? Not me.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Lmfao, nigga are you serious? Did you read this cringe ass post before you wrote it?

You decided that the best course of action to take here was to attack me personally for pointing out the obvious differences between the appearance of this character and the model used, and still have the nerve to behave as though you some sort of highground here?

Grow up dude, it's opinions about videogames.

Scanned faces can easily come goddamn close to the real thing, almost imperceptibly close like in Detriot and Death Stranding, so not only are you being a twat here, you're also wrong.

Dude did you read what the thread was about? Probably not. If her face or her entire character looks bad or not feminine at all then you're just a sad man. Scanned faces don't need to look exactly like the model. Who even cares about this shit besides horny people? Who the hell goes through the lenghts to find the model of an ingame character and then say its ugly? Not a fucking normal person. I played the game and found nothing out of the ordinary with how Claire looked. She was feminine and tough at the same time. Ugly? Uncanny? Male-looking? Some of you gaf need to get out more.

 

[Dacon]

I did not buy Control, might have if the main character was more attractive. Being 100% honest here. I just don't want to spend tenths of hours playing a game with unattractive characters, and this of course includes men as well.

That's a shame, Control was a fantastic game and I got a lot of value out of that purchase.

Dude did you read what the thread was about?

I made a post replying to someone else's about how the character in Control looked and a conservation face scanning bloomed out of it. You're the one who decided to spaz out and try and call people virgins as an insult like some immature troll.

Scanned faces don't need to look exactly like the model.

Then what is the goddamn point of paying someone to have their face scanned to use their likeness? That's moronic.

Who even cares about this shit besides horny people?

What a hilarious false equivalency. Do you get horny every time you see a beautiful woman? Wanting to see something beautiful isn't inherently tired to sex. Games are escapism, and people enjoy beauty.

Who the hell goes through the lenghts to find the model of an ingame character and then say its ugly?

What lengths? Using your bloody eyeballs?

Not a fucking normal person. I played the game and found nothing out of the ordinary with how Claire looked. She was feminine and tough at the same time. Ugly? Uncanny? Male-looking? Some of you gaf need to get out more.

Jeez, calm down man you don't have anything to prove to anyone. You don't get a cookie for liking something other people didn't, and it doesn't make you any better than anyone else either. The reverse is also true.

For the record I played and enjoyed RE2make regardless of how potato Claire looked. That doesn't mean I can't point out how weird she looked.

 

[lame gag1990]

Naughty Dogs newest female protagonist

Her boobs are too big. Make them smaller.

 

[HAL-01]

Bryan Cranston and Aaron Paul are in no way ugly. They're not even Hollywood ugly. Hell, there's an argument to be made that, physiques aside, Dwayne Jihnson would be a downgrade in the looks department.

We're also not talking about "real women", even putting aside that these are artistic rendering.

These are an already idealised fictional representation of women, created as characters for a specific role in a narrative.

Now if these characters were designed to be 'plain janes', the average woman on the street, then that would be reflected in more than just the character model, and more specifically in the actresses that play and lend their appearence to them.

Sure, a lot of blame can be placed at the feet of poor image capture technology, but that is hard to take as a cessible explanation when the same technology has no such issues with getting the jawlines, facial structure and physics of the male actors right, and that the obvious artistic alterations never make them more feminine, or even as feminine as the previous enturely made by hand models of existing characters.

What's more, I reject the notion that ugly is more realistic. Of all the thousands of women i see on a regular basis, the dozens I work with day after day or hundred odd that live in my village, not one has the roided up monster body of Ellie, or the weird massive man Jaw of the lead from control.

Honestly, this arguement that realistic depictions of women have to be ugly or that women can't be beautiful and taken seriously, or that women that men find attractive detracts from a story, is just grossly sexist.

Beauty is an undeniable positive trait, and anyone arguing against it, or trying to shame the overwhelming majority of normal people who desire it, has serious issues. It's an unnatural and psychologically unhealthy view to have of the world and women.

Ugly is not more realistic. Realistic is realistic. None of the characters in the thread are unnatractive by any realistic standard. Perhaps consider your standard Is based off the women you spend more time looking at, instead of all that are around. I’d tell you to go people watching, but I don’t think that’s a thing anyone can do right now.

id argue that demanding women be presented in only a certain way is the more unhealthy view, but you’re right on one thing. Most women aren’t as built as a post apocalyptic survivor

 

[Dacon]

id argue that demanding women be presented in only a certain way is the more unhealthy view, but you’re right on one thing. Most women aren’t as built as a post apocalyptic survivor

Most people in general are not going to be built like Ellie or Abby in a post apocalypse.

 

[junguler]

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give that ☝ thread a read too if you guys are interested in this subject, good stuff.

 

[Soleil rouge]

I really fuckin wonder what your kind is doing here.
We need to weed these alt accounts out for good.
Vaste of space and bandwith

They've been coming out of the woodwork lately. Resetera must've had another massive culling.

 

[HAL-01]

Most people in general are not going to be built like Ellie or Abby in a post apocalypse.

That’s true, they’d be way more emaciated and stress aged in a truly realistic setting

 

[The Cockatrice]

pointless shit.

It's easier to scan a model than make one from the ground up. They also look better among other things. Common sense really. False equivalency? Riiiight. I'm the one getting horny and angry over some character not looking like the model. Way to twist shit around. Bravo. Good luck with your crusade chad.

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

Maybe you could have specified “in mainstream, AAA blockbuster Western games”, OP. Would be a much less hyperbolic statement. Those games are under heavy scrutiny from the press and a certain part of the audience.

What I find funny is that sex is allowed in games by those people, but sexualization is not. Because of course sexualisation is assumed to cater to the heterosexual gaze, especially the male heterosexual gaze.

OH BOY.

Surely this one‘s back is completely naked when she turns around? Surely she has some ridiculous thigh window we aren’t seeing here? Surely, surely this is a man disguising as a woman? Can’t have a beautiful, feminine-looking, Asian female character without huge breasts, boob armor or some exposed skin beyond her face and hands, can we? Won’t someone please think of the narrative?

 

[JORMBO]

I don't think the problem is that widespread. Most of the games I have played still have good looking female characters.

 

[VAVA Mk2]

I think OP is saying when will character designs for females return like the ones for DOA 3 or Morrigan from Darkstalkers... Little clothes and big tits and asses

 

[Rheon]

Nah, Jesse just needed to actually look more like the lady they modeled her after.

No idea why she looks so damn strange ingame, Courtney Hope is a beautiful woman.

Wow, had no idea Jesse was modeled after an actual woman. She is beautiful.

On a semi-related note, something seems to always get lost in translation whenever faces are scanned into games. I guess the technology, while impressive, still isn't quite there yet.

 

[HAL-01]

I think OP is saying when will character designs for females return like the ones for DOA 3 or Morrigan from Darkstalkers... Little clothes and big tits and asses

Capcom has been hinting at a new darkstalkers for years here’s hoping they show something soon

 

[Makariel]

"oh noes, not every fictional character in every video game coming out panders to my specific taste, the struggle is real!"

First world problems, the thread.

 

[The_Mike]

Nah, Jesse just needed to actually look more like the lady they modeled her after.

No idea why she looks so damn strange ingame, Courtney Hope is a beautiful woman.

She does have a... very unique jawline for a woman, and from looking at the in game model it looks like it's what made it difficult.. I guess?

 

[lock2k]

Are you 15? Go watch porn if you need something to jerk off too, Jesus Christ the last of us crying never ends.

This argument is the most bullshit thing ever.

"Let's put someone ugly in all pieces of media because if you desired to see beauty you are clearly 15 and has to go watch porn". Total bullshit argument. Embarrassing shit.

 

[Silent Viper]

Correction- When Western video games female characters go back to looking like female.


Eastern European and Asian female characters all look like female.

Example RE 2 remake claire and RE3 Remake Jill.

Outside of America Nobody cares about SJW crap.

 

[Silent Viper]

ND female characters used to look great but then ND guys met Anita sarkessian and we have one of the ugliest looking female in form of Abby and Uglification of beautiful Ellie as well in TLOU 2.

 

[TGO]

When will females stop wearing highwaist jeans.
They look terrible

 

[lock2k]

I'm confident enough in my masculinity that I'm not bothered by women being portrayed in a variety of ways.

- Masculine women don't bother me.
- Lesbian women don't bother me.
- Women that are "not pretty" enough don't bother me.
- Strong women don't bother me.
- Women that wear clothes appropriate to their task don't bother me.
- Women with average proportions don't bother me.
- Women that don't fit within exploitative outmoded archetypes don't bother me.

And if they did, it still wouldn't matter because a majority of female characters in videogames are still designed to be attractive women not resembling men. Some of y'all can't see the forest for the trees.

It's not a matter of "bothering".

Don't you like nice things? Would you prefer if the world was ugly if it can look beautiful? Would you prefer a brown sky if you can have a blue one?

 

[MagnesG]

“violent drama grounded in reality” is one of those where it doesn’t.

Abby.

 

[V2Tommy]

Most of the games I play are JRPGs, and I gotta tell ya, the waifu game is as strong as ever.

 

[Nankatsu]

I wouldn't say Aloy doesn't look like a female at all. She's no stunner but her design makes sense in the world that Guerilla created.

A character being pretty or ugly is based on world design? Well that's a first.

 

[TGO]

A character being pretty or ugly is based on world design? Well that's a first.

Isn’t that the excuse for TLOU2?
Yeah it makes zero sense.

 

[Radical Dreamer]

No game has done female character models better than Detroit in my opinion. Probably because they are extremely accurate to the real life actresses and they were incredibly well modeled and animated.

Kara is bae. She looks great in short hair.

 

[RedVIper]

Jesus good thing neogaf Isn’t in charge of modern character design

such a shame video games trying to advance the medium and tell real stories can’t also double as jerkoff material, a real loss

>Design your character after an attractive real world woman.
>Make the character uglier, because the attractive real woman doesn't fit a realistic "mature" game.

 

[Kenpachii]

I grow up with character selections with female and male choices that did the exact same tasks in the game ( PC gaming ). I have absolute zero problems with any female being something or isn't something, i also grow up in a ultra liberal and gay community called the netherlands so that probably also helped a bit.

In short i don't see a issue with any of the girls in video games even today. What i do have a issue is that people shoehorn shit into movies and games that shouldn't belong there and is painfully obvious simple to get some virtual signal points in to get kudo's with certain community's that are racist and toxic as hell like resetera.

 

[spandexmonkey]

This argument is the most bullshit thing ever.

"Let's put someone ugly in all pieces of media because if you desired to see beauty you are clearly 15 and has to go watch porn". Total bullshit argument. Embarrassing shit.

Completely agree. I'm pushing 40 and been married for longer than some posters have been alive. I just put in a 7 day work week and no day off in sight. I've been playing Trials of Mana when I can just because the cute girls make me smile.
TLoU is not my cup of tea, but I don't go into their threads and attack. I don't advocate for the removal of those kind of games. I don't try and draw imagined parallels on how their designs are harming the world. I don't rain on other people's parades, even if their parades offend me. Druckmann and the resetera types remind me of the 80s preachers, swinging their righteous hammer to correct the perceived wrongs of the world.

 

[sublimit]

This thread needs some shemuscle

LETS GOOOOOO

Japan once again got you covered.

 

[FireFly]

It's not a matter of "bothering".

Don't you like nice things? Would you prefer if the world was ugly if it can look beautiful? Would you prefer a brown sky if you can have a blue one?

I can't think of anything more boring than exploring a world where everything is perfect, every day is sunny, every person beams a polished smile, and everything about ourselves that creates fear or revulsion has been polished away to create a perfect sheen. Art is most powerful when it forces us to face what is uncomfortable, and ugliness is an important part of that. Strangely, I don't see any threads complaining about how unappealing zombies look in games, and how they need better makeup and dental plans.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

How is this thread 4 pages long when the first reply got it on the nose?

 

[GreyHorace]

Beautiful and sexy women aren't really what I look for in videogames, but I really don't mind their inclusion. But I appreciate it when developers use a female's character's attractiveness as a plot point for their role in a story.

Take Morrigan from Dragon Age. Her looks, style of dress plus her sultry mannerisms are all to seduce the main character as part of the plot.

The sorceresses in The Witcher games also use their unearthly beauty as a means to manipulate rulers with their schemes. Which is why fans were not happy when Netflix cast frumpy looking Anna Schafer as Triss Merigold, who is described as the most beautiful among the female mages in the Continent.

Beautiful women can have a place in games or other media like movies and tv that extends beyond fanservice. It's the SJWs that complain about stuff like this that are the problem IMO.

 

[Jon Neu]

I’d be one to know people like sexy characters, I’m a pinup artist. and here’s no need to have every character designed that way. There’s plenty of games where it makes sense within the theme to just have attractive characters looking cool, with great storytelling i. e Nier Automata, and there’s plenty where it doesn’t. “violent drama grounded in reality” is one of those where it doesn’t.

Violent drama grounded in reality means female protagonists constantly raped by the far more physical stronger males.

That’s if you go the reality route. But no, you don’t want the reality route, you want the third wave feminism route, in which an ugly small little girl dressed as a slob is capable of beating dozens and dozens of men and be a superbadass. But that has nothing to do with realism and everything to do with a political agenda. So please, don’t mistake the two for the same.

 

[Goncas2]

Go outside and watch less anime.

 

[Jack Videogames]

Yes, who remembers faces. I remember people by their outfits.

Prosopagnosia is a bitch, dude. Yeah I got that word from Zero Escape.

 

[SALMORE]

Come on this seems a bit hyperbolic
We just got FF7 Remake some weeks ago

but Both kinda looks like Cloud

 

[lock2k]

I can't think of anything more boring than exploring a world where everything is perfect, every day is sunny, every person beams a polished smile, and everything about ourselves that creates fear or revulsion has been polished away to create a perfect sheen. Art is most powerful when it forces us to face what is uncomfortable, and ugliness is an important part of that. Strangely, I don't see any threads complaining about how unappealing zombies look in games, and how they need better makeup and dental plans.

I never said everything has to be perfect. I just posted an example.

If I want to face ugliness I'll just go to work where there's plenty.

Or I'll play Doom. But notice that Doom Guy is handsome whereas all the monsters look funny. he he

 

[bhunachicken]

Guys, we're in the 2020s now.

From here on out, you'll have to put up with all the girls in video games becoming and more and androgynous. Once we can no longer tell who's a girl and who's a boy, the SJWs will be quite happy with things. More so when everyone looks like Conchita Wurst.

 

[Airola]

On the other hand the amount of all kinds of visual novels and hentai games has skyrocketed and those games certainly don't have the problem of making females not look like females.

 

[ViolentP]

Imagine demanding videogame girls be hotter.