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Which Metal Gear plot point/twist is the most ludicrous?
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Stratosphere
Member
All the explanations in MGS4, I can't pick just one.
Miller is actually
But in all seriousness, Meryl and Johnny.
the sunglasses, he's not a person. The body is just a shell for "Miller." In MGSV, Miller's "body" is unresponsive until Big Boss puts the glasses on him. No less than a second later, he "awakens." Same goes for MGS1 -- Liquid became the "host" of Miller until he removed the glasses. Did you like my sunglasses?
But in all seriousness, Meryl and Johnny.
That's cheesecake compared to Liquid's arm shenanigans.
NumberThree
Member
It's hard to top the arm.
But in MGS2 Fortune
is also ludicrous. They don't even try to explain that one.
But in MGS2 Fortune
actually being able to deflect missiles without the device she was carrying
The Silver
Member
well the whole point of that one is that it's unexplainable and should be impossible
Yup. Every single that about that plot line was just dumb as shit. It's like no one ever even thought it through before the games came out.
SuperStiltzkin
Member
Kind of a given rule that MGS bosses are naturally supernatural with no need for explanation. Fortune probably always had that power but has to channel it.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
That's the point where you are supposed to be questioning whether what you are experiencing in MGS2 is real or part of the virtual simulation.
I honestly feel like none of the MGS2 plot points belong in this thread, or at least they didn't before MGS4 came out to fuck the theme of the game up because Kojima couldn't stick to his guns and not pander to the fans.
Barakov
Gold Member
Far less interesting, honestly. In the grand scheme of things, 4 got a lot of stuff wrong just for the sake of tying up Solid Snake's story and having logical explanations. It's still a great game and all but that was the wrong way for Kojima to reign his craziness in.
NumberThree said:
With all the stuff that happened in that game, I'm okay with that.
Maintenance
Member
Anything with Vamp.
TacticalHotdog
Member
The
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kNrIn8H32c
NANOMACHINES
As ridiculous as it was, I quite liked it. The entire series was pretty much pseudo-scifi anyways.
he's just a Madao lol.
This. My lovely and charming support team just turned into the bad guys? Lol. And yeah... Ocelot...
X
Xpike
Unconfirmed Member
it's true, the mgs4 database says that's what happened. this is also why Ocelot gets his voice in MGS2.
for me, Solid Snake actually has a twin brother! And the guy who betrayed him in Outer Heaven and Zanzibar is actually his dad! But not really, they're all clones!
Coffee Dog
Banned
The Boss AI and everything surrounding it is absolutely one of the dumbest things in the series.
This is ignoring MGS4, of course, because that game not only shits all over MGS2's themes and messaging nothing makes ANY sense
This is ignoring MGS4, of course, because that game not only shits all over MGS2's themes and messaging nothing makes ANY sense
Never watch a Bond movie.
The Boss AI one of the ways they forcibly get MGS3's story to be directly relevant to the rest of the series.
I wish they had just let it be Boss' back story and left it at that.
That is indeed the case. In the last fight you see ocelot's arm is completely bionic, compared to the one in MGS2 where he just lolgrafted liquids arm to himself.
This and the Johnny & Meryl are so dumb they cause me physical pain, but this is still my favorite series.
Agree about all the Liquid Ocelot stuff though. Sigh.
I personally can't wait to play as 1984 robot arm Snake with wormhole fultons. Bring it on. Initially I was worried that the game was gonna be too grounded. Glad to see this stuff.
Coffee Dog
Banned
I think the problem is that by providing the biggest motivation for Big Boss' downfall, it was already incredibly relevant to the rest of the series. It's the catalyst of...everything.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
Look, I consider Metal Gear Solid 4 the best game in the series, and a fantastic finale. I was even ok with the
and the stupid
being retconned into a better (if still not great) explanation.
Now my memory is a bit rusty, but why in the HELL did
Like, I remember that being SO ridiculous. That whole scene was such a train wreck. What an awful end to her character, so that's my pick.
nanomachines explaining a lot of the supernatural stuff such as Vamp's abilities, though it didn't explain him walking on water
arm thing
Now my memory is a bit rusty, but why in the HELL did
Eva throw herself into the fire when that body was burning?!
I literally spat out my drink and said what the fuck out loud when this came on the screen.
brianmcdoogle
Member
What they did to Ocelot/Liquid in 2/3/4 is utter garbage, but Peace Walker is its own special stupidness. If I had to choose, I'd say the Ocelot/Liquid stuff.
For as bad as Peace Walker is, I hate hate hate MGS4's story. The only good story bits involve Meryl and Snake in their opening meetings, but even that is destroyed by Kojima et all.
For as bad as Peace Walker is, I hate hate hate MGS4's story. The only good story bits involve Meryl and Snake in their opening meetings, but even that is destroyed by Kojima et all.
veloxStrix
Banned
The one where it became a popular and acclaimed series.
I'm joking, I swear. The biggest plot twist was the fact that Psycho Mantis took more time to beat when I was 7 than the entirety of the rest of the game. Literally spent one week beating the game and another week beating him.
flipswitch
Member
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EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Liquid's arm (and its association with Ocelot's truth in MGS4) I would agree is the most ludicrous. It's unbelievably stupid and unnecessary and serves the narrative absolutely nothing other than to convolute it with idiocy.
But the Johnny x Meryl love story was cringe after cringe. Horrendous writing and that awful cringeworthy Mr & Mrs Smith (thanks, LiK) shoot out. It was just awful and had no place in the plot. Runner up is Otacon crying to his cancer stricken "I can't cure this because reasons also nanomachines" fling via a toy robot.
Everything romance related in MGS4 is painful to sit through.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
It's kinda hard to pick but it's something from the clusterfuck that was MGS4.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
If Liquid Ocelot played with himself, it is technically a homosexual relationship?
Coffee Dog
Banned
Poopman Johnny turning out to be beautiful and marrying the primary female character of the series almost solely convinces me that MGS4 was written sarcastically.
Benzychenz
Member
brianmcdoogle
Member
I will disagree with this part because some of the stuff between Meryl and Snake is really good, but it is chucked out because... I dunno. MGS4 is a trainwreck. The Meryl/Snake early moments I will contend are good.
